Gender isn’t a real thing. Your sex isn’t connected to your personality

remove the tiddies

yeah but they typically don't take estrogen and progesterone for their, train their voices to sound all girly, wear makeup everytime they go outside, get expensive and pretty haircuts, get their genital removed, spend their entire life savings on feminising surgeries AND exclusively wear clothing articles associated with cis women, DO THEY?

no I love my boobies

tell that to cis people, the most aggressive defenders of gender roles and gender affirming care

What did he mean by this?

*takes 50 dxm pills*
Woah man taking supplements for hair loss is just like when you cut your dick off you ever think about that

Your sex not being connected to your personality is what makes gender a real thing, a real, socially constructed thing.

Gender derives from biology. Blank slateism is retarded.

cosmetic surgery cis person

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cosmetic surgery trans person

:/
Actually it's hardly even cosmetic since no one else will no if someone got bottom surgery except their partners

If gender isn't real then why are conservatives losing their minds about it constantly, trying to force identities and pronouns on people and regulate what they can put in their bodies? If you actually believed it wasn't real you'd just laugh it off and move on.

Conservatives are shifting their pants because they don't want to think about or question their own gender and need to have it enforced on them.

sex is real
you produce sperm, ova, or none, nobody makes both

exactly what I typed, please read and interpret it literally

No one said sex isn't real lol

Both gender and sex are socially constructed, biology is socially constructed, it wasn't discovered by developed based on socially-bound work and observations. The fact is you can construct these things a different way and come out with an equally valid system, based on the same truth.
Everything you are and everything you do is physically constituted, the question is how. You ignore all the evidence if you say that the underlying physical constitution of what we call sex isn't related to the physical constitution of what we call gender or even personality.

Transgenderism inherently implies it.

Transgenderism is just sex-typical or sex-ambiguous development of the cognitive apparatus, and all downstream effects that can have. Another new kind of transgenderism is just radical anti-LGBT feminism wearing the costume of transgenderism.

Uh no it doesn't? Medical treatments that give you the physical appearance of the opposite sex doesn't necessarily affect your sex. You might say the fact that a medically transitioned volleyball player can play two full seasons and have average stats compared to cis women and never be clocked or cause protests until she is outed is proof of this. Her sex might be different from the others but her gender is the same.

I think the most you can say is that sex has a strong influence on gender and you need medical intervention to be viewed as a gender other than your sex by cis people and that is what conservatives are so enraged about even though it really doesn't need to be anyone else's business.

Strongly have to disagree with this. Sex doesn't just have a strong influence on gender, but gender is itself sexed. The only argument you can make against this is by going with traditional sex classification based on the size of the gametes you produce, or if you think that chromosomes offer a better new definition of sex. In the first case, it only matters as it relates to reproductive capabilities, and if you no longer produce gametes then applying the label is just your preference when it comes to intellectual masturbation. In the latter account where sex is based on chromosomes, it's even more of a stupid argument. Chromosomes impact the development of the body, but they're not necessary to develop a female body with all female characteristics besides producing female gametes. The fact that XX and XY combine differently only impacts relevant possible diseases and disorders, but doesn't have such an overwhelming and persistent impact. It's again, purely intellectual masturbation to talk about sex in the context of chromosomes, unless you're talking about it in a context where it's relevant. For how people live, how their body develops, and other practical matters, it's pretty much irrelevant. Hormones and other biological processes are far more impactful on the final result.
The question boils down to if you would call an XY woman a man when she finds out she has a disorder when her period never starts. You necessarily have to call her a biological man to be consistent with either view on sex. The fact is that most people would not call her a man unless they're trying to win an argument.
Hence what is left that "influences" gender is also sex, hence gender itself is sex-based and is distinct from the sense of gender that only refers to the performance of societal gender roles. This distinction is as easy to make as understanding that the gender of a cable is not the same thing as the gender of a person.

There are no xy women.

Yes, they're born with XY chromosomes, because as a fetus they had a disorder that made them resistant to the impact of androgens. Without the strong impact of androgens throughout fetal development you don't develop a male body. There isn't some special magical barrier between man and woman, it's literally just biological programming for development. These women exist and they cannot have children, and without the testosterone they don't even develop masculine or large skeletons. In fact, XX women with other various disorders that elevate their testosterone are likely to have fused or partially obstructed/underdeveloped vaginas, are much taller and heavier built, and have a higher tendency to participate in sports and typical male activities. Which again suggests that the primary influence in what we actually call sex is developmental and primarily based on hormones during development. Not gametes, nor chromosomes.

But they don’t look and and sound fully female, they have some male traits from the y chromosome, even if sry is inactivated, or they cant process estrogen

No, they look and sound fully female. You don't get it, besides that the way they sound is determined directly by androgen effects on the vocal chords and trachea. You can assume they must sound different, but that's not the case, the development is simply different. Much of it including gonadal development is also influenced by neurological development, which is then later primarily driven by gonadal development. It's not that somehow the chromosomes are going to change things.
Similarly later-life genetic chimeras, usually mothers that gave birth to boys, they don't start to develop into men or gain more and more masculine qualities since they're now "genetically male" to some extent. That really isn't how it works at all. We would never have known it was possible except by research, that's how obvious the impact was.

race/flender
age/yender
species/zender

no one has ever refuted this

almost like sex isn't a two way switch but a made up word that describes a large set of traits which all can individually vary

The traits don't come directly from the chromosomes, but the processes that the chromosomes interact with, which further interact with several levels of other processes.

They look the most female possible

You don't need all the genes on either side, everyone has the information to develop a human being. Most of the double stuff is just redundancy. It's good for recombining from two parents, but that doesn't mean it really services a definitive critical role in continued development. Not like you're implying.

They look and sound more female in every possible way when compared with women with hormonal disorders, even after their disorder has been treated.

too complicated human biology is supposed to be simple
if it doesn't fit in a one sentence slogan its too complicated and probably fake
sex is a true or false question

If i showed you a cais with a faggy male voice, would you admit u were wrong, or just gaslight me and deny it?

you are mentally ill
your mental illness is not a personality
you don't have a "different mood"
your brain is broken and dysfunctional from trauma
that's not a personality

Why ask the question when the premise is wrong? Can you find a cais or an XX woman with certain voice? I bet you can. Can you find that ON AVERAGE? You can't.

people don’t look at other people and compare them to see how far each component deviates from an idealized average though. the vast majority of cis people will take you at face value as a woman with a shitty voice

There was a hon on /mtfg/ that claimed to be klinefelter, hermaphrodite, said a bioposy revealed their testes had womb tissue, and cais, and when they got srs they were cis. It was all bullshit, they dosed their e to 8 then 12 mg a day, and got the srs with supron who needs you to have a big penis for his technique to work. Don't forget hons love to claim intersex conditions just to wear it like a badge of female authenticity.

What if on average there is a slight male tone to the cais voice compared with actual women?

people don’t look at other people and compare them to see how far each component deviates from an idealized average though

they do, just not actively. they're not thinking those steps but they happen subconsciously. that's how applying schema works

That's exactly the point. However, people also take that one example and then extrapolate it back to the average, erroneously assuming stuff. As I said, you can also find an XX woman with bad voice or other features. Having a genetic, developmental, or hormonal disorder doesn't mean they're all going to be the same. Discounting averages and then appealing to concepts based on averages is trying to have your cake and eat it too.

But where is the evidence for that? They're diagnosed because they don't start their period, not because they sing baritone in choir practice.

You are an expert on these people despite never having met them.

That's what I thought.

cais look male

Where is the evidence they are totally female looking in person other than a medical textbook calling them female?