I respect and admire trans women because the idea of reaching out towards femininity is something positive to me...

If being feminine is so amazing why don't you try it yourself?

our brothers

Well, they aren't MY brothers.

Like I said I'm a cis guy so I have no allegiance to the wider transgender cause.

I'm merely offering my thoughts, because I believe my way of thinking is profound and unique.

Masculinity is not evil

Evil? No. I don't believe that I or any of my fellow men are evil. But I do believe we are pitiful. We're ugly, overly impulsive and aggressive, and morally-questionable individuals. Somebody looking at us and saying "I want to become like them!" is, in my view, like looking at a flock of stinking pigs on a farm and saying "I want to be a pig!" Sure, the pigs aren't evil, it's not like they should all be killed or abused, hell, some people might even say they're cute. But they're not exactly creatures you would want to imitate, are they?

And I wonder, if you're a cis man, why are you so wary of men that you question the motives of anyone who would be one of them?

I don't like men in general.

They are your brothers too, but you deny them. Men are beautiful, you're about 150% heterosexual right now, go another 50% and you'll be one of us.

Because I'm not feminine.

Let's imagine you are an American person who really loves and admires French culture. You're a great enthusiast for France and you believe France is just eminently superior in all aspects. But you're not French, you're American, and you're not so delusional as to think your admiration for France suddenly makes you French.

becoming gross, brutish, aggressive, smelly

Always have been

repper

Then you just have to become feminine. Take estrogen and shut up

When did I say I denied them?

I believe trans men are men. I mean look, they clearly aren't women are they? I don't look at trans men and think "that's a woman". To put it more crassly, I don't feel any attraction towards trans men despite being a straight male. Because I see them as masculine.

I just find it sad. Something about it is wrong on a moral level to me.

Yes, men are.

No. I am a man.

When did I say I denied them?

they aren't MY brothers.

I have no allegiance to the wider transgender cause.

im a man also but i take estrogen

I don't care if you're a man you clearly don't want to be one

I wouldn't call other cis men my "brothers" either. I find that whole gender-allegiance thing very cringey. Like all those memes about men calling each other "kings" and shit. Ugh. It's all so profoundly gay.

Well that's just retarded.

Maybe you're mourning the loss of a hypothetical mate for you? I guess what I'm saying is that yea sure, they may not beautiful to you, but they're beautiful to women. Just how hopefully, someone finds you. It all balances out, there aren't more trans men than trans women, I think it's about the same.

i dont enjoy thing so all thise who enjoy thing are weird actually

You need to get your ass pounded you clearly arent meant for the role you play now

I do. I want to be one, because I am one. In my view my sex/gender is immutable in the same way my race, nationality, or hair color is. I was born this way, therefore I am. Had I been born a woman, I would be an entirely different person.

But i'm also a believer in souls (I believe trans people are probably born with a soul mismatched from their bodily sex), and I know my soul is male in line with my body.

I wouldn't call other cis men my "brothers" either.

But I do believe we are pitiful. We're ugly, overly impulsive and aggressive, and morally-questionable individuals.

Notice how you used "we" which implies you see them as the same group as you

Maybe you're mourning the loss of a hypothetical mate for you?

No. I've known quite a few trans men. None of them were my type, even if I knew them pre-transition.

If you believe it's a mismatched soul thing, then there's nothing wrong with trans men

You seem to be confused. I'm not gay.

Yes. When did I ever claim otherwise?

When you said you didn't see cis men as your brothers either

"Wrong" as in "incorrect"? Maybe not.

But "wrong" as in "profane and obscene", definitely. It's harsh but I do feel that way.

dont call me retarded, u really hurt my feelings!

Ok seems doubtful but let's entertain it, all the more reason to realize they're just guys and maybe that was why and there's nothing wrong with them for being them.

"Brothers" implies an emotionally intimate relationship. Like feeling a great kinship with all your fellow men. I don't feel that way, so I wouldn't call them my brothers.

It's not profane, their soul's just mismatched bro you said it yourself

I can recognize they are being their true selves without thinking it's something nice or respectable.

I have similar thoughts about gay men. I support them fully, and there's never been any question in my eyes that their rights should be fully legally protected and defended. But I still think sweaty hairy men fucking other sweaty hairy men in the ass is something stomach-churningly disgusting and obscene.

A brother is someone who belongs to your family whether you like it or not

I don't view other men as my family. Why should I?

I strongly suspect you will end up transitioning, anyway it's pretty consistent extreme homophobia.

It's a metaphorical use of brother, someone who belongs to the same group as you regardless of if you want it

I strongly suspect you will end up transitioning

Laughably wrong. You understand absolutely nothing about me or my worldview.

anyway it's pretty consistent extreme homophobia.

Male-exclusive homophobia maybe. I have no ill thoughts towards lesbians. I often think that had I been born female, I would have been a lesbian, no question.

You understand absolutely nothing about me or my worldview.

No surprises here, none of what you're saying makes sense

i wanna be a woman but i will never reach being feminine enough, its hell, not beauty

brother

no trans man is my brother lol
ftms will throw you under the bus any chance they get, don't get it twisted

Because I am operating on a level beyond what puny minds like yours' can even comprehend.

You might just be putting yourself down. I've seen many insecure trans women on this board who think they aren't "feminine enough", but to me they look very pretty.

But even if you're right, I still find there is something admirable about striving towards that goal.

That seems kind of harsh, when have trans men "thrown you under the bus" exactly?

Every idiot thinks he's being misunderstood

your reasoning is essentially

stop liking what i don't like

which reeks of solopsistic narcissism and inability to genuinely understand or empathize with the perspective of others solely because they don't align with your own. i suggest touching grass.

Yes, I freely admit that. I want people to stop liking things that I don't like. My perspective on life and the world is simply the best. Everybody should agree with me, and if they don't, I look down upon them.

It seems like only ftm or mtf reppers have these kinds of opinions. I can understand why someone would want to be a man, even if I can't live that way.

Why would you think I'm a "repper"?

You obviously are one. You put women up on a pedestal and see it as something you can't read rather than something you wish you could avoid

Touch grass

No. You have an extremely narrow-minded view if you believe every man who admires women must be secretly trans. I am completely and wholly male, but that doesn't mean I need to feel any great pride or happiness about my masculinity. It's just what I am, for better or worse.

rather than something you wish you could avoid

Why would I want to "avoid" women/femininity? That sounds extremely gay.

I want people to stop liking things that I don't like

why though.

masculinity is beautiful. the masculine and feminine need one another. imagine a melody with no beat, a sunrise with no sunset, an ocean with no shore. to deny one is to deny wholeness of the other.

masculinity is beautiful

Genuinely how so? I'd like to see someone describe how that is the case.

I don't even understand how straight women are attracted to men. Whenever a woman has expressed sexual/romantic interest in me, I have just thought "why? are you delusional somehow?"

Admire me!

...Ok?

the will to power embodied by raw strength that can only be encapsulated in the male body. possessing the power to kill and destroy, but using that strength to protect and shield instead. the desire and willingness to sacrifice oneself for the good of another.

i find it strange that you immediately denigrate yourself when others express interest in you. what is it about your own masculinity that you find so abhorrent?

the will to power embodied by raw strength that can only be encapsulated in the male body. possessing the power to kill and destroy, but using that strength to protect and shield instead. the desire and willingness to sacrifice oneself for the good of another.

I mean, I recognize how this is the ideal, and as a man I want to be that and to embody that vision of a man. I still don't think it's particularly appealing, though. That's merely making the most out of what is given to us. Channelling negative masculine qualities towards something positive.

i find it strange that you immediately denigrate yourself when others express interest in you. what is it about your own masculinity that you find so abhorrent?

I just find it bizarre. A woman looking at my big, hairy, sweaty, hulking body and thinking "ooooh, I want that!" is just hilariously weird. It makes me think she has poor taste.

It's because you're a self-hating faggot who is too gross and ugly to transition.

You're wrong. I am not gay.

ftms will throw you under the bus

<implying they have the strength to push a cis male away
This is a not a stand-up yknow

This lmaoo

But it's just not true, is it?