Nancy Mace: "It's Offensive That Sarah McBride Thinks [She's] My Equal"

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Over the past several days, Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC) and Republican leadership have escalated their attacks on Sarah McBride, the Democratic representative from Delaware and the first transgender congresswoman, targeting her over bathroom and gym use. The fight culminated on Wednesday when Speaker Mike Johnson declared that McBride would be treated as a man under House rules, forcing her to use men’s restrooms or gender-neutral facilities—despite her having used women’s restrooms for a decade without incident. While Mace tried to justify her actions with claims of “safety,” even suggesting McBride might be a threat of sexual assault, her true motives became crystal clear during an appearance on Greg Kelly Reports. Dropping all pretense, Mace declared it “offensive” that McBride could ever dare to consider herself her equal.

“It is offensive that a man in a skirt could ever think [she’s] my equal, that his challenges are the same as mine. They’re not. [She’s] forcing [her] genitals into women’s restrooms, into dressing rooms, into locker rooms. It’s sick, it’s twisted, you showed that clip… the left celebrating mental illness.”

the vaginal jew cries out as she strikes you

Damn feels like we are finally getting closer to admitting that society privileges females and thinks they are better than men, but we still can’t just outright say that.

Reminder that you don't hate women enough.

transphobic cisfoid

looks like a man

I can't stop noticing this

This. But replace vaginal Jew with White Republican.

that his challenges are the same as mine

yes, they are worse

maybe we should stop tolerating conservatives and religious types when they keep telling us and showing us that they are violent dangerous animals incapable of reason

It's okay, although she's a bully and has those crazy eyes, she clearly has severe trauma hangups and is adjusting to the reality that Delaware elected a tranny representative to the federal government who actually understands the role and is increasingly hard to actually dislike.
In a month or two she will calm down and take my taxpayer money to... uh, I dunno, cooperate with her fellow representatives to write helpful legislation during an cost-of-living crisis and widening international meltdown instead of toying with the issues of wealthy bitches. Right? Haha... ha

they literally can't, it would break the spell of their complete immunity to cognitive dissonance through faith in their "culture" and "tradition" (whatever they are told, no matter how old or new or real)

>the left celebrating mental illness

sarah mcbride is retarded. why? because she doesn't sue them for targetted harassment and defemation. ada says they can't discriminate in the workplace over someone private health condition. sarah not sueing shows that she's equally as abhorrent as the people on the right.

keeping mcbride out of the women's room in this instance isn't for the safety of those that ousted her. it's for the safety of mcbride. it's like in prison where they put the tranny in solitary so the other prisoners don't assault her ad nauseum. we're not worried about mcbride assaulting them. we're worried about greene and mace going apeshit on her for no reason.

she should file a lawsuit, but i doubt she will. i would. i would win it too.

KEK. are you bootlickers still glad that mcbride was le mature and backed down? republicans are literally pissing on the grave of trans rights and laughing about it. still wanna take the high road you stupid cucks?

she is absolutely losing it goddamn

every
single
time

the bootlickers are the ones that asked for this. the blaire whites of the world.

i think mcbride's response was an embarrassment and a disservice to the community at large.

lol, lmao even. a trans woman isn't going to win a lawsuit. this country fucking hates us.

we

If your idea of fun is cheerleading for politicians (liars and mercenaries by definition, living comic book characters if you squint) more power to you as long as you are sane and don't make it my problem. As much as I shit on the people in this country, most everyday Americans off a keyboard just want to do business and eat burger with other yankees, honestly.
Religious discrimination is not nice and almost universally frowned upon.

>“It is offensive that a n****r in a skirt could ever think [she’s] my equal, that her challenges are the same as mine. They’re not. [She’s] forcing [her] race into women’s restrooms, into dressing rooms, into locker rooms. It’s sick, it’s twisted, you showed that clip… the left celebrating mental illness

"It is offensive that [another human being] could ever think [she’s] my equal, that his challenges are the same as mine. They’re not. [She’s] forcing [her] [presence] into women’s restrooms, into dressing rooms, into locker rooms. It’s sick, it’s twisted, you showed that clip… the left celebrating [equal rights].”

It’s sick, it’s twisted, you showed that clip… the left celebrating mental illness.

This is by far the overwhelming popular opinion, because it’s the truth.
Nobody is tolerating your bullshit anymore. Censorship and threat of social exile is what has protected you for so long and that is now gone. The Truth always prevails. You will never be a woman.

I don't think that anon is saying that she isn't justified in filing, merely that the system will not reward her for doing so. Or course this is all disgusting discrimination, but to whom will she plead her case? And if Mace persists in her defense and argues up to the supreme court, how do you think such a lawsuit will fare against the court's 6-3 majority?

It's a war simply not worth waging and one she will likely lose anyways At least for the moment trans rights are in regression

transphobic cisfoid

looks like a man

I can't stop noticing this

Does that mean I look like a man as ftm repressor :D?

most everyday Americans off a keyboard just want to do business and eat burger with other yankees, honestly.

most people don't care about others so as long as they get their 1 issue and nothing else affects them they'll tolerate everything else

Religious discrimination is not nice and almost universally frowned upon.

doesn't matter. most people don't care as long as they aren't the group being discriminated against
the average person will put up with conscription or deportations as long as they aren't the one getting drafted or deported

IDK, even if she lost, if her case made it all the way to the supreme court I think that would have the potential to generate more sympathy for trans people among libs. The risk at the moment is transphobia becoming a bipartisan consensus since the Dems are looking to pivot to the right. Forcing the issue, even with a loss, would also force the Dems to pick a side.

No poonreppers always look like the most fertile, feminine women

a reminder that she was pro trans a few years ago, its all a grift for their base of subhumans

honestly this is a good thing in the long term. hear me out. they are frothing at the mouth angry that they now have a tranny on an even playing field with them. they do not seem them as equals, obviously since she said that directly here. this is horrific right now, but the more mask off they go about this very obviously non-threatening person and the more they refuse to even acknowledge her existence under any pretense of respect... the more the general public will see through all the lies. it was never about the kids, it was never about sports, it's never been about bathrooms. it's control.

the more reasonable and establishment that Sarah McBride is and the more unhinged the Republicans respond to her having the audacity to be in the same room as them, the more people will slowly realize that we aren't being hyperbolic in our descriptions of the harm they're doing and what they plan to do. it will move people to our side long term... or at least that's a glass half full speculative perspective of it.

discrimination is not nice and almost universally frowned upon :)

maybe we should stop tolerating

You're like 1% of the population, maybe watch it with the talk of no-tolerance.

funny, considering the post right above yours... almost like they've decided certain classes of people just aren't human and don't deserve human rights so discriminating against them is okay

nah, I don't think humans with empathy and any kind of concern for others' well-being are only 1% of the population

How many times does this need to happen before people realise that appeasement doesn't work?

I know right? This is such clear-cut discrimination, in a blue city as well.

Empathy is a finite resource, and constrained by cognitive limits like dunbar's number. If you're banking on "the majority of people are universally good and their goodwill will universally extend to my miniscule subgroup in all areas and they'll save me from the chuds", you're both ignoring past signals and in for a rough future.
Funnily enough, enough empathy will extend to you that trans genocide won't happen, but get used to big limits in forcing other people to comply with your beliefs.

you seriously just took the false scarcity used to cow your mindless ilk and applied to the notion of empathy
bravo

Banned her from the women's restrooms

"Here's why this is a good thing..."

Called her a sub-human faggot freak

"Here's why this is a good thing"

thinks empathy as a finite resource is false scarcity

Wew. Might want to pick up a book. I recommend Pathological Altruism.
But hey, continue ignoring fundamental tenets of human psychology, it's going so well.

ciswomen realizing that trans women are getting hotter while ciswomen are not getting any less retarded

Not equal indeed

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You don't get the reference

Jessica Yaniv would have gone nuclear on her ass.

Courts care about facts, not feelings.

Here's the only fact originalists on SCOTUS will care about: trans identity isn't textually protected in the constitution as written, nor in the corresponding Federalist papers

I don't think humans with empathy and any kind of concern for others' well-being are only 1% of the population

Hence why most people have had enough of your horseshit. Your idea of “empathy” is others doing what you want while you have no regard for their opinions or concerns. Because you are mentally ill.

aka theyre misogynistic

erin is a jew

no they're right. why even respond to the post if you're not gonna read the full thing?

aoc spilling the tea

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no, but people's private health conditions are. gender dysphoria is a medical condition. transition is the accept treatment. you can't discriminate against people for their health conditions.

trans is no more an identity than diabetes.

The smartest thing McBride can do is stay silent and let this bitch have her tantrum

no, but people's private health conditions are

Imagine thinking this after Dobbs. Did you even read the majority opinion? Do you understand Roe's argument for protecting abortion access federally which was torn down?

implying this didn't hurt the TERF cause on the right

You really don't understand men at all.

It doesn't matter. The 14th amendment came in after the civil war and doesn't allow discrimination against people for having a Y-chromosome.
Right-wing terfs are even more retarded than left-wing terfs. They're trying to preserve the patriarchy in a way that adversely affects the equal rights of men, at a time when men are increasingly feeling like the equality sword needs to start swinging both ways.

But like all women, the screech so loud they can't hear the silence that surrounds them.

And of course that's all missing the bigger point that this is all a sideshow to distract from US support for Israeli aggression in the middle east. Notice how since this bitch arced up we stopped hearing about Trump and project 2050 or whatever?

Yeah which is why TERFs are actually fucking hilarious.

Seems to be what she's doing.
Proving yet again that the intelligence gene is in the Y-chromosome.

doesn't allow discrimination against people for having a Y-chromosome.

Pretend for a moment you're a bench judge presenting your opener to the Roberts court. Please describe in detail what discrimination is occurring and argue why textually it violates constitutional protections rooted in text and not in 50 years of precedent.

*bench lawyer

because they're probably both brainrotted <20 years old doomers and grew up in a relative golden age of acceptance so they have no context of history. the same thing happened when gay people started to become normalized in society in the late 90s/early 2000s and then once that cat was out of the bag, the powers that be responded in similar (albeit less vitriolic and at a much more stable time in american democracy) way to try to force gay people back into hiding in the shadows/fringes of society. didn't work, because more people came out, more gay people were represented in politics and in media. it's a lot easier to frame an entire group of people as the literal antichrist when you don't personally know any gay people because they're all too afraid to live their lives proudly. when your brother is gay, your best friend comes out as gay, or you have likable gay characters in pop culture, it's a lot harder to demonize them as an outgroup. we had that eureka moment as trans people in the early-mid 2010s and this is the kneejerk reaction in the other direction which will eventually lead to more acceptance and protections under the law, same as it did for gay people. it'll be real shitty in the interim, but so long as they don't go full ethnic cleansing on us it will eventually get better. this is why talk of repealing gay marriage is not a popular policy to run on.

by the way, this opinion is almost verbatim what Erin Reed herself said on the topic when she talked with Vaush the other day... which is literally the source in the OP.

do work

I'm not going to write a full opening for a Anon Babble post.

I'm not going to

Upgrades to

I can't

But if you really believe such a challenge is possible, I encourage you to donate to legal groups to make the challenge real. Just don't be upset if your donations are lit on fire without success like the 2024 DNC warchest.

Is there something bad about that?

the cries of a roast beef vagina haver

You are trying to deceive and defraud with a fictitious identity.

implying I've got money for someone else legal costs

nigger I got my own case to make and nobody is helping me

under the americans with disabilities act, employers are not allowed to discriminate on the basis of someone's private health condition; whether that be physical or mental. if they're capable of doing the job with reasonable accomodation, to deny them the opportunity is discriminatory as currently outlined. gender dysphoria is a mental health condition currently listed i the diagnostics and statistics manual as well as codified in the icd. the only efficable course of action in managing their condition is to let them act out their delusion. medication doesn't resolve it. forcing sara mcbride to use the men's bathroom exacerbates the distress she endures from her chronic long term privatr health condition. threatening acts of violence and retalliation against her for following accepted standards of care is discriminatory on the basis of her private health condition. making her say walk to the entire other side of the building to use a gender neutral bathroom is again discriminatory on the basis of her health condition. she may need things like pads that are stocked in the women's room because she is post operative. denying her access to such is a denial of her right to care on discriminatory pretenses.

Why isn't AOC doing anything to support McBride?

Letters and DMs are cheap, tell McBride why she should fund the challenge you believe is so possible. The point is its odds of success are vanishing, and the unwillingness to stake it in any way is a useful demonstration of low confidence.
McBride isn't being denied a job. She's being told to use "reasonable accommodations", like her own private office bathroom or the mens' room which corresponds to her chromosomal sex.
Everything else is in the eyes of a Roberts court weasel words they'll scalpel through like warm butter. You're not arguing in the 9th Circus.

She doesn't actually need to challenge it. She can just use the women's restroom, then use whatever charge they bring against her as the platform to get the law declared unconstitutional.

There are plenty likeable trans people in media. Hunter Schafer, Laverne Cox. All normal, passing trans women. Hasn't helped.

That's a distinction without a difference. It still requires large funds and legal activism coordination to raise a challenge to SCOTUS as a plaintiff.

Those all look and sound like men. My brain sees them and can tell they have a male shape.

no niggers in allowed in the bathrooms, you can use your own private bathroom

Reminder, they will not stop until you detransition or die lol.

Idk why any trannies thought otherwise. To fully understand their hatred of you you need to look at how many Christians interpret the bible. They view you as the types from sodom and Gomorrah and think that lgbt was the main reason for the divine punishment.

They dont care of the half dozen other major infractions, they see that you got punished 2000 years ago and seek yo punish you all yhe same now.

And she wouldn't get gofunded by every tranny on earth?

Speaking of weasel words.
How many times are you going to move the goalposts here?
You've got from asking for an opening argument to questioning the reasonable of the expense for mounting a defense against an unjustified charge.

Maybe just accept that law and patriarchy are on our side.

still missing the point

Where SCOTUS will easily and clearly disagree with you is on transgenderism being a title 9 protected status.
This is vital to understand, and you trannies need to stop guzzling copium like it's chaser cock.

YOU ARE NOT FUCKING HELPING

aoc cant really do anything. i think most bills require like 3 sponsors and one senior house member. Mike Johnson as the speaker alone can write guidelines and policy on the facilities and usage if them in the congress buildings to a pretty great extent. He said he was gonna change the policy to ban people from bathrooms of their identity and their allowance to use facilities would be based on their biological sex.

You cant really fight back that hard against some of thus stuff.

Where's the goalpost move?
The goalpost is precisely where it's been the whole time, namely that the Roberts court won't believe you and that you yourself won't (can't) articulate a textual argument.
The secondary observations of "you won't even stake your time or money to promote a challenge" is simply icing on the cake, the 25 yard line from the goalpost you can't even cross to get close.
If you're gonna use the terms, can you at least use them convincingly?

so you admit that there has been progress in terms of representation yet insist no progress has been made. how many good representations of trans people were there in the old days again? i understand you're frustrated, we all are, but logical consistency please. they didn't solve everything but have undoubtedly moved the needle forward in bringing people towards acceptance. just because the haters are louder than ever now, doesn't mean that there hasn't been a huge wave of acceptance to accompany that. it's probably better to think of things in a historical context for how civil rights movements typically accomplish their goals rather than just framing everything through the context of what is currently happening but i understand if emotions are high and it's hard to think that far in the future. it's frustrating and feels like an insurmountable task for sure.

no one told her to use the mens room. theres unisex and family bathrooms and changing rooms. No one at any point said she is being forced to use the mens.

Let's say McBride was diagnosed autistic. Mace wants her banned from the bathroom because she hates autistic people. Would that not be discrimination?

Oh yes I am.
Once again, you can't hear the silence over the sound of your inane screeching.
Men's support for TERFs has been an alliance of convenience at best. And now that the political divide has very much become the gender divide, there's no point appealing to women.

On you to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the intent and effect is a ban on autistic people.
And even then, probably not. I'd bet money on the Roberts court producing a ruling that upends the ADA protections any day.

Maybe a bunch of buff FtMs should start using federal bathrooms until they realise the law is stupid.

false equivalence. youd be better off comparing it to her being a lesbian in theory, and for decades keeping lesbians out of womens facilities and gays out of mens facilities was part and parcel of school rules.

Then you have even less standing than you might have had prior. gj.

Mace herself said McBride was "mentally ill" therefore she is admitting it's medical/disability discrimination.

Oh shit an actually good post
While I'm still upset about the election I've been though this before. In the year 2000, Bush stole the election with help from Uncle Thomas and in 2004 he won it outright. A ton of defense of marriage acts got passed and Mike Johnson had fundamentalists harassing LGBT kids on the day of silence screaming about their "day of Truth". Gay Marriage got briefly legalized in SF before it getting constitutionally banned in California.
We are going through a bad period for sure, a really bad period but we will get through this. This is arguably the worst Lavender Scare and Satanic Panic since the AIDS crisis.
It's a shame she is going to be humiliated nonstop for the next 2-4 years. I cannot wait for when the Dems get the majority back and rescind this stuff and the gigantic fit big Marge, Mace and Bobo will throw.

hey so this is actually fucked up and hypocritical to say!

reasonable accommodation is the piece your missing with the ADA quoting. she's getting reasonable accommodation unfortunately.

having to humiliate yourself in the mens and risking SA

reasonable accomodation

It's not what's reasonable to you that matters. It's what's reasonable to the 6 (soon 7?) federalists on the supreme court, and in distant second what's reasonable to 99% of the electorate who aren't trans.

nigger what has gone wrong in your life where you are chudposting on TTTT

Notice how since this bitch arced up we stopped hearing about Trump and project 2050 or whatever?

True it's all a distraction. Whever Trump or future MAGA face a difficulty or do something unpopular expect them to attack trannies to deflect

I see the parallels but trans rights are fundamentally different in a number of ways 1) The public view of trans people is inherently skewed due to only the hons being visible. Gay activists more or less always looked like normal, everyday members of society. 2) The argument that someone being gay somehow impacted on others simply didn't exist. Gay people require no special pronouns nor medical funding, nor access to otherwise prohibited facilities. 3) the detransitioner issue. Sure there are "ex-gays" but nothing much changes between saying you're gay and saying you're not.

This anon is 100% correct

Yes, in any reasonable world it should be protected under the 14th amendment but we are no longer living in a reasonable political climate.

Republicans are operating under a wartime mentality. They HAVE to win, PERMANENTLY or else the country will come apart. The incoming secdef wrote literally this in his 3 most recent books. He openly advocates for violence against the Left, calling them Marxists which must be eliminated. This is the man 61 days away from leading the department of defense. His appointment is an indication of how the right is viewing this entire situation: these people are insane and we must vend every ethical barrier to breaking point in order to crush them forever. Your rights? Gone. They were never there to begin with, sorry. The supreme court is owned by these radicals, Alito was flying the fucking Appeal to Heaven flag at his beach house. It is a movement which openly advocates for the elimination of the barrier between church and state, and the establishment of America as an extremist Christian state, a dark mirror of goddamn Iran.

Bathrooms are step one, to forcibly out people to their peers. It's a way to "name the jew" as Anon Babblelacks like to say. Any passoid post national bathroom ban will be given a choice: comply, and forever end your ability to stealth in public, or hide, and pray to God the surveillance state doesn't catch you. And then you pray you don't get your own personal M (pink triangle) on your photo ID.

The leftist trannies have already disowned her for being a “zionist” like 99% of politicians. Their purity tests and virtue signalling to desert religionists on the other side of the world who would have them stoned to death in a heartbeat is more important than their own rights.

A single trans woman in a position of power? Once you actually have any semblance of power you become the enemy. If she was a deranged DIY hon saying we should steal from walmart and burn down the government maybe they’d support her (or at least pretend to for oppression points).

With “supporters” like this it should be a surprise to nobody how the dems have tossed trannies to the wolves and will have nothing more to do with us.

Yeah I don't think we've got too much mileage left in us.
The media is on it's last legs and the boomers still watching are increasingly incoherent.
Plus people really underestimate the work the gay mafia has been doing in regional areas.
Everyone knows mental health is an issue.
Everyone knows someone who's LGBT

This is the real face of conservative politics.
youtube.com/watch?v=KuZhhxP7vH4

This is by far the overwhelming popular opinion, because it’s the truth.

By what metric?

OK so she still has all the normie lib trannies and all 7 of whatever trannies are still pretending they have a future on the right

dems have tossed trannies to the wolves

Is this even true? Yes its popular among some dems to blame "identity politics" for 2024 loss but is that the same?

the dems have tossed trannies to the wolves

You mean Jews threw trannies under the bus when we stopped being useful.
And you actually have the fucking temerity to pretend like Muslims are the problem.
You fucking disgusting lying Jewish cunt.

The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you indeed.

I feel like I'm in delusional upside-down world with the responses to those posts. It's just a fundamental failure to reconcile with the reality that trans people are a massive minority with no textual claims in the documents that matter.

I'm not as pessimistic as you about the legal fallout from that (e.g. I'd bet low 5 figures that national bathroom bans don't occur, maybe that's my own copium), but there will absolutely be real retrenchment from the prior status quo.

Is cancer bad?

reasonable accomodation

post op may need access to pads in the woman’s bathroom

You are so slimey and gross, everything you project is fraudulent and false.

under the americans with disabilities act, employers are not allowed to discriminate on the basis of someone's private health condition

As an American with a moderate physical disability that effects my daily life, I can tell you that this act does jack shit since there's far too many legal loopholes such as employers being able to ghost you since they can't outright deny you.

Correct. I'm not saying that people suggesting McBride crossdress as a man for the entirety of her term or resign is less terrible and offensive to basic morals than if a new senator was told to remove her hijab. The history of transgender conflicts is less bloody and at least somewhat shorter than religious conflicts, and less people intuitively understand the former, but they are equally messed up.
With that said, and I know this is never a satisfying thing to remind people, an eye for an eye leaves the entire world blind. No such conflict was ever shortened by increasing the rhetoric, not even once. Do you want to be better, or do exactly what the most extreme opposition wants you to do? Your answer determines the rate at which people's attitudes thaw.

save your moralizing, I'm not advocating eye-for-an-eye; I'm advocating not giving into the empty lure of austerity and dealing with a real problem in practical ways

No you're not I think a ton of your responses are trips with their name off coping, zoomers who unironically dont remember a time when gay marriage was illegal, and actual disinfo agents. People just are underestimating our situation. We have re elected a despot who already tried to overthrow the government once, and basically gave him a free hand to do whatever he wanted

she did an interview were she condemned bathroom bills like this because they would create situations were someone could accuse someone else of being trans and they would have to show their genitals to a stranger

Lol do you drink alcohol? Scared of the cancer risk much?

Listen up manager, it's offensive that a NIGGER could ever think he's my equal, that his challenges are the same as mine. He's an AFRICAN pretending to be an AMERICAN, it's common sense, and I don't want a DARK PENIS in the stall next to me, GROSS. GROSS! Get that chicken cruncher out of my bathroom NOW NOW NOW!

they

Reread my post, and .
Frankly, you don't know who I am. It's predictable, though, that I'd be painted as opposition for suggesting a certain respectful attitude, even when dealing with a group with many members that have committed wrongs. People rarely get it, even when they objectively should understand. That's why all of us are in this situation.

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That's why all of us are in this situation.

why we're in this situation is a black and white attitude like yours where you think there are not degrees of tolerance and relative application of civility within still-defined and consistent rules, in that we have tolerated the intolerant not entirely in error by any means but at the same time far too passively and with an unwarranted presumption of good faith from the "other side" irrespective of the "other side" extending it or actively threatening others with violence for non-compliance

Okay, so a policy of complete intolerance against "religious types," which could be for example, Christians, and members of a political party, one of the most bureaucratic institutions ever conceived by man, is your practical solution to the real problem? If so, you are wrong, but explain.
This argument presumes groups are monolithic, which is... the entire point. It's easy because they are distant from you, which makes prejudice easy.
By all means, you are not required to compromise with uncivil or mistaken members of the group, but you cannot justify condemning the group entirely. When this happens across many different types of conflicts, it is prolonged and intensified.
Do I need to be more direct?

a policy of complete intolerance

is probably what the sum of my words amounts to but not what I meant, it's just overreactionary overtone

you are not required to compromise with uncivil or mistaken members of the group, but you cannot justify condemning the group entirely

I think what I'm really advocating for is a stiffer backbone and a much more reasoned, less biased (in either direction and especially less weighted by mora principles), gradiation of compromise - not tolerating the bullshit and calling out the cultural institutions that have at their core ideologies that bullshit (and still with real evidence and reasoned arguments rather than blind widespread condemnation)

like I'm an internet retard and I talk a lot of shit all over the hyperbolic spectrum but when it comes down to brass tacks I want to not write these groups off entirely, and instead expose what about the things that define being part of those groups are materially harmful in the vain hope of finding a mutually constructive path torward mitigating and reducing that harm