Don't panic. Don't kill yourself

crimethinc.’s recipes for disaster is old enough to be totally excusable as “it’s just the history of the occupy movement” reading while still having some solid advice for low-tech organizing and DA tactics, albeit with most contemporary concerns cut out.

honestly i dont think they will put that much effort into coming after people, itd be weird for them to suddenly start mass incarcerating people for estrogen while the war on drugs has been a complete failure in every other regard. i guess it depends on how well trumps "war on cartels" does, if he successfully clears them out (unlikely) then they might have free time to go after people suspected of posession of petty drugs like this. the main thing is just making sure you arent caught possessing it, since thats how most people get arrested on other petty drugs like pot, and the trump admin has already admitted they plan on scheduling it (via an investigation on whether hormone replacement therapy causes violence, depression, suicide, & addiction, and you can bet theyll falsify the results)

DA?

you buy hormones on the clearnet, retard. i don't think there are even any DNM vendors that sell it, that's like selling ibuprofen on a DNM. you're using websites that are used to facilitate felonies to do something that technically isn't even a crime.

the problem is it will be a crime once they schedule it

Ah yes. the trump hater.

He's hsts hon, what do you think.

probably. i really dont think doing anything to trans adults is his #1 priority. id have a passport just in case but there's no need to wrap your phone in tin foil. its a serious possibility he will but not within his first year in office
it probably will be on dnms if it gets banned

Wut are you talking about?

sorry i meant peaceably petitioning elected officials and engaging in nonviolent demonstrations. anywho, free on anarchistlibrary.

keep your tranny shit secret and don't bother normal people with it

uh yeah that's been the whole idea for a while now, thanks for complying

this post is malebrained as fuck

vote trump to be fembrained

neglect privacy when you are at risk of going to jail to be fembrained

ah, the eternal re/tttt/ard

Whst should the pooners do for test?

ah... maybe ask your boyfriend to work it out, this is a little complicated for you sweetcheeks

What is gsfs?

I'm her- I mean his boyfriend. Give me the rundown.

dont you already buy T illegally

No. I don't work out, but I plan on doing it at some point.

gender sexuality and feminist studies. some of them total neolib cucks, but there’s always a couple real ones surprisingly.

Direct Action.

this entire post

That's nice and all, but everyone knows that Nothing Ever Happens.

malebrained

Worth it in this regard. It's better than being mowed down.

Everyone is malebrained and fembrained in some regards. Better to be malebrained in a way that ensures survival.

dumb but useful tip: treat organizing like the political larp it feels like at first. call it something less charged than organizing if it makes it easier (“getting some friends together,” “making a local tranny gc,” etc.), or call it what it is. treat it like a lil neighborhood game or feel like the actuallyoffyourass believerinthings you are. whatever works. a lot of prefigurative politicking boils down to not being afraid of being cringe by doing what needs doing and acting to make the world you wish you had. ik it sounds dumb but it rlly fucking works.

i figure yr right, tho i’m figuring we’ll be revisiting that thought in a couple years. on the horizon in the us is state-level bathroom bills applying to private institutions, fed-level hormone shit, potentially state-level criminalization of informed consent practices, insurance dropping us, return to legal employment discrimination (criminalizing it doesnt help much if you cant afford to go to court tho, so), ofc nothing for minors, maybe they’ll get that to 21, idk. still, fuck this country.

I know how to do all of this.

Organize with people. Tell them to get a phone or laptop and do the same.

Except for this. All of my friends are cis males kek.
Its called the steroid market. Its a booming business. Not hard at all to figure out.

I don't know as much about this since I'm a MtF but I should since we're in this together. Only thing I know so far is that there are markets you can access on Tor that are similar to SilkRoad that exist for such things.

I'm sorry I don't know more yet.

i know it’s a lot easier to homebrew, but i have def not done my homework there yet. still, far from hopeless, and i know there’re too many cis roidmoids for that to go out of stock.

Never mix your clearnet public self and your anonymous Transgender self ANYWHERE.

we're not at that point, and if we are then we've got MUCH bigger and more imminent problems demanding more severe measures than you recommend

Buy Bitcoin. Convert to Monero safely. Read how to get Monero anonymously.

idk if buying bitcoin and converting it to xmr is anonymous
think the only way to get it anonymously is thru cash

All of my friends are cis males kek.

in a real way, i think it would be worth getting to know local trannies. the amount of trans friends i have went up by a factor of ten since the election. you do you ofc.

you’re not wrong.

we're not at that point

but i wish i’d been organizing and prepping for months before the election, and a part of that is maintaining some security. now’s better than too late obviously, but i don’t think it’s wise to wait til we are at that point to be ready.

fuck no
fuck cis people lol'
now get back to breeding fuckpig

this
localmonero also used to let you pay with paypal, which you could hypothetically do with a prepaid, though some brands just... dont work, at all. LM is gone though, so im not sure where to get it in the future

and a part of that is maintaining some security

you're missing my point
if "security" means literally hiding who and what you are, things are so far gone already that this guide is completely mis-framed

would if I could

I mean, sure, but where? I've never met any trannies irl other than theyfabs.

maybe this makes me weak minded but I'd rather shoot myself then have to tip toe around my identity like it's some terrible secret that no one must know. if this world doesn't want me why would I stick around, Ik how to take a hint.

o shit yeah no i understand now, sorry abt that. i read the “anonymous Transgender self” as not being exclusive to an insecure regular transgender self. if we’re in the permacloset online already we are a lil too cooked for saving. i mean if you’re looking at newsworthy criminalized DA in florida or somewhere like it, that’s not terrible advice. but i agree, and most immediate/local organizing would be massively inconvenienced at best by that protocol.

you get it, I'm just worried that we either get to that point with nobody prepared OR the fear of getting there keeps people closeted and not living their lives which means the "bad guys" win anyway

Never mix your clearnet public self and your anonymous Transgender self ANYWHERE.

oops, already did IC which put GD in my medical record

saying this all in the imperative but again, obviously, you do you: if you live in a large town/city, find local tranny orgs or events, even if they seem lame or neolibby or only sort of trans-inclusive queer. in that last case, you’ve still got good odds of finding one or two. if you live somewhere more rural and don’t even have like friend-of-a-friend trannies on your radar, it’s prolly worth heading into town to meet ppl. there’s also usually a bunch of support-group style stuff (i met a lot of my favorite trannies at a trans narcotics anonymous, but it can be trans-specific support too ofc) and a good number of those’ll be hosted partially online, letting you scope the crowd out before going irl.
sorry i’m really not great at being didactic w/shit, i hope that made sense tho.

Steroids are really, really easy to acquire. Go to a independent bodybuilding gym

We are at that point anon. They just haven't pressed the button yet

What do I do if I’m transitioning while being relatively visible? I’m an academic who’s about to publish my first paper and apply to grad school soon (not out to anyone, but my PI genuinely cares about me as a person). Do I publish under my deadname or publish under my new name?

felt. fuck.
if i gotta detransition, it won’t be willing. but yeah, we can’t do this shit alone. good luck anon.

Its just wisdom. Jews had the exact same conversation in 1930s Germany we are having now.

Some could pass for German, some couldn't, some fled, some couldn't, they debated how far things were going to go. I read a lot about 1930s Germany and the parallels to now are staggering.

Its not a betrayal of yourself to keep yourself safe.

if we are then it's literally every other minority, too, and even posting on Anon Babble through an unencrypted connection over the past 10 years means you're fucked - like if things are THAT dire, then we all need to be taking much more direction action NOW, but I don't see evidence for that

I'm not saying the night of the long ropes won't come because I'm not naive but I have a face and a physical body that identify me just like I have a presence on the internet, I can't undo that

i'm a retard and get all my monero in the open by swapping bitcoin i bought thru coinbase for it lmao
and i'm even more dumb and i store it on a wallet on my pc

idk what my threat model is anyways. i think i just don't want all of my assets to be in easily frozen american institutions

same lol whoops

i get the feeling. idk i guess that’s a big part of what community organizing’s for, for me personally. a nonsuicide pact or smth. anywho, not unlike hormones, i really do recommend giving some intentional communitybuilding/collective defense/organizing shit a shot before shooting yrself.

idk if things are so bad it's 1930s germany the smartest thing to do is figure out where to leave to, but it doesn't seem like anywhere is great for that

i'll start panicking if they implement a flight tax tho

Lots of little things are adding up. Collecting names and addresses, the media witch hunts against random tranners which signal to the public harassment is acceptable, encouraged even, changing documents without our consent, prison laws, repealing human right, rolling back employment rights.

We all have a huge digital footprint, all of us. It's exhausting to cover our tracks and never slip up once. There are alphabet glowies in this thread right now monitoring us. Everytime you upload a picture it has unique location data, even if the exif is scrubbed.

The advice still stands, stock up, find a community, understand what's coming. We're not gonna just roll over and die, the most powerful beings on earth with trillions of dollars between them have dedicated years of their finite existence to hating hating us across multiple countries, and multiple institutions and guess what?

We're still fucking here.

We're still fucking here.

is what I'm trying to advocate for, within the context of also needing to organize and stay safe, and specifically not

Never mix your clearnet public self and your anonymous Transgender self ANYWHERE.

because those two statements preclude each other

wait sorry what’s a PI in this case?

Do I publish under my deadname or publish under my new name?

the people i trust the most about this sort of thing would say go for new name but with a big asterisk. changing the gender on yr birth certificate and license is probably not wise rn, but a different name isn’t the kind of thing where a state/federal gov’t can easily separate tranny from cissy with a cool new name (atow). if you’re using the name regularly and wanna keep it, yes, i think you should.

1930s Germany is where their rights got taken away, and the propaganda was intensified. That's where the ten stages of genocide come from. It wasn't until 1941 that the death camps started.

We're hitting a lot of those genocide points now, in 2024. Dehumanisation, classification, discrimination, polarisation etc. I've seen first hand the power of the State. It's not good. Really not good. They want to criminalise our very existence. Its important we understand that, but don't let it cripple us.

If we can flee to South America, or SEA, then we absolutely should. Because the West has clearly decided we are unwanted.

the flight tax was actually a thing 2 years before hitler, it was used to take their things under hitler but they actually WANTED them to leave and allowed them to do so

just give up and flee, fellow transgendereds! we're clearly just not a good fit for this country!

hmmm, where else have I been hearing that line of discussion recently?

am i stupid (read: how stupid am i) for wanting to stay and try to keep together/prep?

If we can flee to South America, or SEA, then we absolutely should.

i'm coping by thinking maybe i can use my connections in asia or europe to get a job there

yeah but they wanted to seize their assets on the way out ofc
it escalated pretty quicky from 25% to literally all of it

waow, sounds like if you leave now you can keep the great food and vibrant street life you're used to

No, not saying give up. Not everyone has the money to leave. If people have money and the chance for a better life, why wouldn't they go?

For people without money, you have to weather the storm. That's where the points in this thread come from. Like i said, the exact same debates were had 100 years ago in Germany. About staying and leaving. Look it up. The ultimate goal is to survive and then live. Live in happiness, not in fear. I've seen how bad things can get. No one should go through that

not surprisingly a lotta the new bathroom bills (esp. the ones centered around higher education) are really, really convenient excuses to demand someone’s documentation. (in my experience that’s been leading to more solidarity btwn cis undocumented ppl and trannies, but that’s the thinnest of silver linings.)

Live in happiness, not in fear.

spreading anti-trans FUD and telling people to give up and just go into hiding when that's, frankly, fucking useless advice if things are even that bad is just doing "their" work for them and precludes living in happiness

wait sorry what’s a PI in this case?

PI = principal investigator. The professor who runs the research lab I’m a part of and supervises me.

tfw am a repper who went to informed consent once

haha oops

No, not stupid. It's the right choice for you. You have to weigh up your situation. Some people are deeply attached to their families, others not so much. Some might live in a really safe area, others it may be dangerous.

Location is critical, absolutely critical. The government is coming for us, and so are our neighbours, so where you are is important. If you can't walk down the road without encountering abuse, then that'd an incentive to leave

Gotta weigh up what's best for you

Yeah only that's not what I said, I said if people can leave a place that hates them, and go somewhere they're accepted then its a good idea worth considering

while telling the less fortunate to just hide that they are trans and "weather the storm" as though they are not already tagged and tracked

Location is critical, absolutely critical.

i live in a northeastern blue state
blue city but everyone i know voted for trump and republicans seem to be in power now
how worried should i be

shit, thanks chief. i kind of needed to hear that today. <3
o yo also, in terms of other org’ing recs: dean spade’s mutual aid has been my bible recently (also free on anarchistlib). mariame kaba’s we do this til we free us and joy james’s resisting state violence (or seeking the beloved community) and some of kai cheng thom’s shit are all great but much more theory than praxis. also ofc anything written by crimew.

So what should they do then?

i do worry that trannies who’re more insulted by wealth are gonna sort of abandon the rest of us. if association gets to be voluntary for them, i can’t blame them exactly, but it’s not rlly abt blame i guess.

not just roll over and hide because that's both useless (it will not save you, you are known and trackable to the extent that it could matter if shit advances that far, and you can't change that) and giving up victory to the oppressors

It depends, do you have a support network? Is your doctor good to you? Do you have assets or cash? Can you operate your daily life in relative peace?

Being pushed to the margins of society is fucking horrible, but being attacked and hurt is even worse. Are your family supportive? Could you move easily?

Did I say roll over and hide, or did I say keep themselves safe? It's your life, your decision. Im just one person offering advice, take it or leave it. If where you live is safe enough to express yourself, then go ahead

Not everyone has that luxury, some people live in very violent areas, where passing is life and death. I don't want anyone to be hurt.

gotcha. advice stands, but nowadays it couldn’t hurt to do a lil extra research/bear in mind where you’ll be living for the next while after publication. (not that not using yr deadname is necessarily less safe, even: if you’re gonna be using the real one and there’s a record of you using the deadname that you’ll have to explain to colleagues, that don’t seem good neither.)
sorry, i wish i could be more help.

shit i meant insulated not insulted.

n-no silly tranners, don't try to hide, the state is very very competent and we already know who you all are anyway

instead you should protest by going to the nearest dunkin donuts and lining up with your hands behind your back

Did I say roll over and hide

if you're defending statements in the OP like

Never mix your clearnet public self and your anonymous Transgender self ANYWHERE.

yes, you're literally telling people to live a double secret life, which AGAIN is not going to save anyone if we're anywhere near the point that that would matter

the state is very very competent

no? lol what? has nothing to do with what I said

and we already know who you all are anyway

they don't need to, they just need legal orders to force the companies that own and control your identity and data to tell them who you are

Yeah I don't know if you've noticed but trans people are getting fucking attacked and killed in the street.

People literally think they have a duty to hurt us. If you wanna write it on Facebook what your name is and who you are, that's your decision. It's good practice to not put personal information online

you're not getting what I'm saying if you think that reply addresses my point

It depends, do you have a support network?

eh i was a manmoder until my parents caught me and now i'm back to repping. there's basically nobody in my life at all i can talk to about this
have a paper trail since i got it legit tho lmao

Do you have assets or cash?

i have a decent amount of both

Could you move easily?

within the us very easily
emigrating to another country is probably difficult but i could do it if i really wanted to

You people are fucking insane. We already had four years of orange man bad and NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENED

NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENED

lol

translegislation.com/learn
woooow, it's almost like installing conservative loyalist judges and officials with lifetime appointments has a lasting impact on the legal system in ways that meaningfully and materially affect the lives of LGTVBBQ+ folx!

you didn’t ask me, but

now i'm back to repping. there's basically nobody in my life at all i can talk to about this

i’m rlly sorry to hear that. just fyi, i figure if yr in a blue state, there’re usually a lotta organizations already that could help you move out/live somewhere you dont gotta rep. idk specific ones bc i don’t (and shouldn’t) know which state, but a burner reddit account or some real research can get you connected way quicker than you might’ve imagined.
i’m somewhere reddish-purple, and the networks here are pretty strong (tho the most readily available might not be built to last when shit gets worse, hence me doing all my bs.) anyways, wish you luck.

nothing ever happens lol. ur making urselves just look retarded just like the boogboys or whatever they were called

americans stop being retarded challenge (impossible!!!!!)

i get where you’re coming from, and i imagine i’d get it a lot more if i lived somewhere especially safe, but i don’t think you understand how much worse it’s already gotten out here.

That's rough... even just one person can make all the difference. It sounds like you're parents are no good, you don't want to appease them just to resent them later in life.

Its a very tricky situation, I wanna give you a hug. I think for your own personal mental health, you gotta find some sort of support network where you can be yourself. Being alone sucks.

Are domestic SRS/FFS surgeons off the table? I can’t imagine they’d seriously resist if the an entity influential enough comes to them looking for patient rosters.

you gotta find some sort of support network where you can be yourself

Even if that means moving city or state, I forgot to add. Its scary, leaving everything behind and doing it alone too. I did it, and I was scared a lot.

But finding your own space in this world is important

okay this does arguably go past diversity of tactics: if everybody hides like that, it’s not really possible for a significant amnt of us to organize. that said, i figure ppl who would organize and do try to erase themselves preemptively are gonna be in the minority, and i doubt anyone motivated enough to do that would leave someone exposed to detransition or generally suffer. i don’t wanna sound so hokey or idealistic, but idk i don’t think this’s too farfetched a way of seeing shit.

there’re usually a lotta organizations already that could help you move out/live somewhere you dont gotta rep

i have enough money saved up that i don't need help to live on my own
i just want to manmode and not get put on a list lol but if i'm already on that list i'm wondering maybe i have nothing to lose

Yeah I think if you're manmodong and conforming to conservative expectations, you'll be fine.

But do you really want to live your life like that...

All of the Jew-hons that couldn't pass as Kraut came to the United States

So, now, we have all the schnozz-moders

again ik you didn’t ask, but again

i have enough money saved up that i don't need help to live on my own

i understand that, tho i still wld seriously recommend learning how to ask for aid, if only to get connected and understand how you can give back.

i just want to manmode and not get put on a list lol but if i'm already on that list i'm wondering maybe i have nothing to lose

im worried im abt to sound preachy, so pls salt to taste, but if the most realistic next phase is the State prohibiting transition, i recommend transitioning and being with people around whom you can be trans. either way, ofc, one step at a time.

conforming to conservative expectations,

hrt and having boobs isn't part of those expectations

But do you really want to live your life like that...

well there's no way not to unless you live completely off the grid

recommend transitioning and being with people around whom you can be trans.

that's like nobody. my plan to stop repping was always to move out and be alone

that's like nobody.

those people do exist, and odds are they’re not too far from you. the good part of being in a blue state is that they’re easier to find (for now), which’s why i’d suggest connection. but shit, you do you.

every trans girl has her jason bournemoder phase

For the first time i feel glad for being brazilian and easily getting my androcur and valerate from my city's transgender care center for "free"
I wish all you troonies good luck under trump

you people are like the left-wing version of boogaloofags, nothing ever happens

we’ll send a postcard, lucky motherfucker. <3

Organize with people.

Fucking do SOMETHING, shit is so boring. I want to see the chimpouts already.

best case scenario, we waste some money and time, learn some new skills, and make some friends, and all go back to a rotting and cruel status quo. could be worse.

problem is the thing that's gonna happen is the boogaloofags

proud boys and boogaloo are feds

As a tranny living in a red state, I still don't envy you. Good luck living in braxilia.

probably a good portion of them yeah, so what? completely irrelevant to the very real threat our own good ol' boys domestic terrorist cells represent

yep. jesus i keep seeing new militia rear window/bumper stickers around town and they are not our colors i tell you what.

Yeah you shouldn't lul
Usa is an economic powerhouse in comparison with our banana republic

says the Jew in 1935

the visual oxymoron of a gadsden flag right next to a thin blue line flag will never not look psychotic to me.

they are psychotic so it helps