How DARE you care about a genocide more than trannies

Trannies can't stand that leftists moved on to another minority.

why should I support those who hate me and would kill me if given the chance?
also it's not a one-sided genocide, hamas is a terrorist group

Trannies exist everywhere, including in Gaza where they're being killed by based progressive Israel where gay marriage isn't even legal

nooo anon you can't say this! if they're left to develop and not attacked anymore they'll totally just become accepting of gays eventually

What the fuck is wrong with being pro-gun ownership? We need to arm and train left-wing militias to balance against all the right-wing ones that already exist. Maybe even attach and kill some right-wingers. They're not human anyway. We need to be killing as many of them as we can get away with. It's the only way to secure a communist or socialist future for this country. It's not like we can change their minds with words. That never works. Or maybe it does. I don't know. All I know is I'm scared and angry and want a gun but I fail background checks. The only person I'd actually shoot is myself and I should be allowed to do that damnit.

Woman and children don't deserve to die because they didn't have the blessing of being born in a progressive country.

Troons are the only ones who make literally everything about their fetish. Not footfags or weebs or furries or adult diaper babies or even the degenerates who like getting pissed and shit on make it the entirety of their personality. Even the LGB are tired of the T at this point.

I don't disagree about the other stuff, but it's good as is and I will follow the current laws is objectively the correct thing for this case? What do YOU want? I will spend extra money on doing a full suite of transgender operations for every trans prisoner in the united states is kinda a weird thing to say. Making sure criminals get health care isn't popular but it is something we should have laws about because to do otherwise is cruel and unusual punishment blah blah

trannies in gaza

there also trannies in Israel which Hamas is more than happy to kill, what's your point?

gay marriage

I'd rather live in Israel or Japan than a third country shithole where gay marriage is legal but I'm constantly in risk of being a víctim of hate crime
maybe they will, I don't disagree with that

why the fuck do you retards think saying "I don't care about a group that wants me dead" means we also want them dead? I don't, I just don't care

if you're not lgbt, what are you doing here, chuddie? go back

their petulant whining is getting old
what are they actually going to do about the military? why do they pretend the public has an ounce of control over the military?
fucking idiots i swear

Is there a reason you're asking anonymous random people instead of JK Rowling?

Isn't everyone on Anon Babble a fag?

israel is basically the latter of what you described, if you get married in another country your gay marriage is recognized by israel, but you can't do it there because there's no gay weddings in judaism and only jewish weddings are allowed inside israel. you're still super likely to get hatecrimed despite them having protections for gays

Even the LGB are tired of the T at this point.

me, when i make shit up
go back to twitter where you're getting all of this "information", npc bot

she's right, intersectionality is retarded. we're not all fighting some same fight. if anything i'm not fighting any fight. i'm just a tranny, have free hrt, post-ffs, never get misgendered. life is fine no need for dumb extremist activism.

this
I'd actually really prefer if no one had to die, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to defend Hamas unconditionally as if it's an "us v them" kind of issue
I'm also not gonna support Israel for the same reason
I think it's their problem to deal with

there also trannies in Israel which Hamas is more than happy to kill, what's your point

Laughable point when you consider the death tolls between the two countries. I'm sure many trannies on this board have wished for a painful death for any right wingers who hate them. Trannies are still the ones overwhelmingly facing violent persecution between the two groups, even if the occasional viral video of a nazi getting punched pops up.

but I'm constantly in risk of being a víctim of hate crime

You're at risk in Israel too. Hell, you're at risk anywhere in the world. Being a tranny is not an easy life.
With that being said, the point is that you shouldn't think it's okay for homos, trannies, women, children, any kind of minority to die because of what bigoted men do. Newborns have no blood on their hands.

Because you are implicitly saying 4 year olds who don't know what a faggot is want you dead. It's an absurd statement.

actually you're not at risk of a hate crime in palestine :) there's no hate crimes there because it's not illegal to discriminate, in fact it's encouraged

And do you think the gays there deserve to suffer because of this, yes or no?

why do americans care about gaza anyway? dont get me wrong i hate israel but as a european im a little confused why so many americans care for a desert

before you say "but le children" again, obviously that's bad and no one is saying it's not. Just no reason to care about a group where 90% hate you, sorry there's kids dying they should probably stop doing that or something idk idc

only jewish weddings are allowed inside israel

I think that's fine, it doesn't really bother me personally

you're still super likely to get hatecrimed

can you please back that up?

consider the death tolls

okay? skill issue? if the death tolls were to flip, would you then start supporting Israel? is it always about who is losing and embodying the "oppressed" archetype in the current moment?
also, I don't want chuds to violently die, I want to be left alone, and for them to not obsess over me and live normal, functional lives

you're at risk in Israel too

again, why should I support any side of the conflict then?

you shouldn't think it's okay for homos, trannies, women, children, any kind of minority to die

I don't, that's why I despise Hamas, as the terrorist group that they are, don't you also?

obviously that's bad and no one is saying it's not

When somebody says "Israel should stop murdering innocents" and you say "who cares, muh Hamas" you're giving them the go ahead to kill kids. It's the same logic as somebody who says all trannies should die because of sex pests and child groomers.
It's the lack of empathy for people who are different than you based on bad behavior of people in that minority group that leads to tranny persecution in the first place.

there's no gay weddings in judaism and only jewish weddings are allowed inside israel

this isn't true
there are only religious weddings in israel, the state recognizes jewish, muslim, christian, and druze marriage. If any of these religions accepted gay marriage, it would probably be legal in israel

if the death tolls were to flip, would you then start supporting Israel?

Yes, because then it would be Israel on the receiving end of a genocide, is that hard to follow?

again, why should I support any side of the conflict then?

Because one is mass bombing children and the other isn't. The conflict I'm referring to here is "civilians" vs Israel by the way, because Israel keeps targeting them for some ungodly reason.

don't you also?

Yeah, I don't like bigots of any kind, which is why I can't follow why you think gays and trannies being bombed to bits by people who hate browns is somehow better than them facing persecution by a terrorist group.

you're giving them the go ahead to kill kids

NTA, but if me as a tranny speak up against sex pests and child groomers who happen to be other tranners, does that *implicitly* mean I want myself and all other tranners dead? Why can't we have nuance and separate the wheat from the chaff?

You can shit on Hamas without using them to excuse the horrible atrocities being done to civilians. Similarly, you can shit on sex pests without using them to excuse the horrible atrocities being done to trannies. Many fail at this.

no one ITT is justifying them. you keep trying to act like we are.

"I personally don't care because x" is different to "its actually good and okay because x"

why do the people who say "israel should stop murdering innocents" never lead with "hamas should return the hostages and ask for peace"?
I don't think anyone actually wants more dead kids. But the reality of the situation is that israel can't just let hamas keep its civilians hostage and also have peace.

The topic of the thread was the genocide in Gaza and this is what kicked off this conversation.

why should I support those who hate me and would kill me if given the chance?

hamas is a terrorist group

No mention of Hamas in the OP, and yet their existence is used as justification for innocents' deaths.

is that hard to follow?

it really is, because I'm not utilitarian and don't see people as numbers on a table
if the death tolls were exactly equal, would I be then required to withhold my positioning and watch some livestream until the numbers tipper in one or other direction again like some subscriber countdown stream on youtube so I can again decide who I'm gonna be supporting for the day? Don't be ridiculous

is somehow better

it's not better and it's not worse, that's the point
I'm not gonna sit here and pretend the lesser atrocity is something worth being worn as a badge of honour

you can... without

I can and I do
what are we even disagreeing on again?

No mention of Hamas in the OP

hamas is the government of gaza
democratically elected and with strong public support
the idea that hamas and palestine/gaza are two totally different institutions is something only ever afforded to hamas, nobody is like "israel is totally cool, you can only blame likud", or "russia is cool you can only blame putin personally because he's politically independent".
hamas is the only government in the world where people act like they don't represent the state itself

why do the people who say "israel should stop murdering innocents" never lead with "hamas should return the hostages and ask for peace"?

Probably because Hamas has offered to return the hostages multiple times now which Israel refused in order to fuel their war. Just the other day Hamas sought a deal, saying they'll return the hostages if Israel ends their attacks, and guess what? Israel refused again. Palestine isn't even the only country Israel is at odds with right now. The reality is that they are the aggressors and always have been, and hostages do not justify bombing the entire populace. It's a matter of scale and Israel should not be granted carte blanche to commit war crimes in response to a militia that pales in comparison to their own.
It's like when Mike Tyson beat his wife and excused it by saying she hit him back. It's fucking Mike Tyson.
But let's pretend that Israel is totally justified in their activities in Gaza for a moment, because I suspect that's the conclusion you'll reach anyway. That doesn't mean you shouldn't feel empathy for the innocents caught up in all this in the slightest.

conveniently leaving out that israel would have to release all palestinian criminals to do this

Just the other day Hamas sought a deal, saying they'll return the hostages if Israel ends their attacks, and guess what? Israel refused again

I can only find one article on this and it's a turkish website, so not entirely trustable
it seems like hamas was only offering a few hostages immediately, and eventually all the hostages in exchange for israel to withdraw from gaza and likely release all palestinian prisoners in israel.
I also don't see how there can be an end to hostilities that doesn't involve hamas dead or surrendered.

it really is, because I'm not utilitarian and don't see people as numbers on a table

It's a matter of simple logic, anon. 1 person dead is bad. 3 people dead is worse. More people hurt, more families torn apart. Now extend this to the thousands. That's when you start getting into destroyed cultures, impact that goes beyond the current generations.

if the death tolls were exactly equal, would I be then required to withhold my positioning

It would then be a proper war and not a genocide at least, which would actually be something you could potentially defend, and I would be more inclined to listen to you than hear you scramble to make "what if the nigger word was the code to save the world" tier hypotheticals in a situation where it clearly doesn't apply.

I'm not gonna sit here and pretend the lesser atrocity is something worth being worn as a badge of honour

what are we even disagreeing on again?

The whole point is that I find it detestable to turn a blind eye to a minority group's suffering because of the actions of others in said minority group. If you truly do not do this, then we have nothing to disagree on.

high e and high t levels. simple as.

Israel should simply stop committing war crimes en masse and solely target who they claim to be targeting.

it's near impossible to do this with terrorist orgs other than sending in troops on foot to be shredded. I think what israel is doing is bad but really they can't do anything about hamas

Hamas is in shambles. Their former leader was holed up like Bin Laden except in an even more sorry state. Maybe you could make that argument early on (as in, years and years ago) but Israel has the advantage in strength and could easily operate within the law should they choose to.

how do you feel about countries like saudi arabia, syria, or sudan, which have killed many times more people than israel has recently?
Why do you think there isn't the same degree of media attention, public protesting, and international condemnation of the yemeni, syrian, or sudanese conflicts? Why have bashar al-assad, salman al-saud, or for that matter kim jong un, duterte, or xi jinping not received the same focus from international courts and the UN? Israel is very moderate when it comes to civilian deaths in war, yet it seems like everyone acts like they're the worst thing ever. Why has the UN had more resolutions against israel than against every other country combined?

An american minority would be fine. But not murderous arabs that stand against american values.

What do YOU want?

not asking me, but obviously nothing a president would ever say. i don’t want tranny prisons, i don’t v-coding in men’s prisons, i don’t want women-and-trans prisons, and i don’t want trans women in women’s and trans men in men’s or vice versa. i also do not want cis men in men’s prisons, cis women in women’s prisons, or anyone in sex-neutral prisons. if there’s a way to get to no prisons that includes keeping a president in power, pls explain it.

if you had to choose between the person you hold dearest to your heart dying or 5 randoms on palestine, would that still be simple logic?

minority group

being in a minority doesn't make you inherently suffer more
there are good people in Israel too

we have nothing to disagree on

I don't think we really do, I can see you have a good heart and I do want to be convinced supporting Palestine is the right thing to do if that's really the case, I just can't find the justification in my heart of hearts
Also, I don't know what the solution to the problem is, needless to say
If you can suggest one, I'd appreciate it

it’s weird how the justification of the mass killings requires hamas to be defined simultaneously as the democratically elected, legitimate representative gov’t of palestine (capable of negotiations on behalf of its people as an international entity) as well as an illegitimate radical terrorist org from whom palestinians are being liberated. hamas is a 1:1 representative of palestinian will or a minority cell taking an entire population hostage, sometimes it switches literally mid-sentence.

american values.

what are those again? i thought we were just a loose voluntary association of ppl who like the taste of boot.

how do you feel about countries like saudi arabia, syria, or sudan, which have killed many times more people than israel has recently?

Not educated on them, which I suspect is the case for many re:Israel as well. It took October 7 for the majority of the world to be made aware of Israel's actions despite them going on for years and years.

Why do you think there isn't the same degree of media attention, public protesting, and international condemnation of the yemeni, syrian, or sudanese conflicts?

There was once a large Free Yemen movement. The simple answer here is that the Chinese government is a master of propaganda. Their oppression of Uyghurs has also been swept largely under the rug despite my having heard about it many a time in the past. Tiananmen square should be evidence enough of how skilled they are at making people forget about their actions.

for that matter kim jong un

Nukes and a lack of insider knowledge. A lot of "information" that comes out of NK is notoriously bullshit. Like them supposedly executing people for listening to BTS. With that being said, actions that are known factually to occur there are typically condemned, such as the Otto Warmbier incident. If Israel were to threaten to bomb the UN they'd surely play a little nicer as well.

With that being said Israel is very moderate when it comes to civilian deaths in war

lol

Why has the UN had more resolutions against israel than against every other country combined?

Public pressure as a result of media attention. They're no saints.

White, christian, white, republican voting, white

Did I say white? Because that’s the main one people mean when they say that.

Not

adult diaper babies

make it the entirety of their personality

So basically what you're saying is that you're an ABDL.