Short cis men have gender dysphoria

when we talk about gender dysphoria, it actually means wanting the traits of the opposite sex and not liking your own sex's traits. It doesn't just mean being unhappy with your body
being unattractive and unhappy about how it affects your social treatment sucks, but it's not the same thing as gender dysphoria.

Cis pooners are pooners
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Deep down they know that modern women's taste in men is manufactured by dating apps to make them miserable enough to pay for premium.
They're discriminated against by a matriarchal society for something they can't control. That's where the dysphoria comes from.

Short cis men have gender dysphoria

behold the epitome of "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"
Christ you identity-obsessed faggots are annoying

that literally sounds like gender dysphoria. you feel ugly and people dont see or treat you the way you want to be treated (of the opposite sex)

feeling ugly isn't gender dysphoria

How many non-social problems are caused by social problems?

I'm starving.

Rugged individualist politicians (tall) voted out food stamps.

Can't get a job.

Networking.
Etc.
If, as a man, you're not treated "like a man" because you don't look "like a man", and it causes you to feel like less of a man, and a stranger in your own body, that's gender dysphoria.
I'm making this point because both parties do themselves a disservice in trying to make a distinction. Everyone should be able to embody the physical expression of the gender that they feel that they are. When they can't, calling it gender dysphoria is more than adequate, it's useful for advocacy.

in the opposite direction.

What do you mean? im 5'6 and I like my body and nice above average penis (and so do girls)...but I dont feel the need to roid out and try and be hypermasculine. If anything, I tire of trying to be masculine/live up to an ideal all the time. Sometimes, its nice to just let go and be vulnerable.

If, as a man, you're not treated "like a man" because you don't look "like a man", and it causes you to feel like less of a man, and a stranger in your own body, that's gender dysphoria.

ok but short men are treated like men

yeah it is when you feel ugly because you dont look like ur desired gender

ugly men look like men

No it isn’t, they include elderly/ethnics in the average. The real average is 5’11, if you are below 5’11 in current year as a male it’s over
I am a 5’6 cis pooner MtC (manlet to Chad) dysphoric incel. Being 5’6 is arguably worse than any level of racism, sexism, or homophobia/transphobia in the past hundred years and yet it’s generally accepted rule for my complete social extradition because of my height even troons have outcast me. Why shouldn’t I be violently transphobic? Trans women were made to placate lower status males, you literally owe me sex. I pay my taxes, I paid for your surgeries and troonmeds. I am entitled to have sex with trans women, I deserve sex reparations

Trans women were made to placate lower status males, you literally owe me sex.

No we weren't, and no we don't.

It is literally the only purpose you serve. No higher value male will ever want a fake woman beyond a pump and dump or some retard would do it for a dare. Trannies were manufactured by big pharma to reduce the number of incel mass shooters through chemical lobotomisation and to placate the sexual frustrations of other low value males

Trannies represent at most 0.5 percent of the population, mtfs being half, so 0.25. Yet how many men in the zoomer demographic are sexless? Half? More? Even if your weird fantasy were true, we couldn't keep up with demand.

Incels are a minority most of the “lonely disenfranchised males” are volcels who are too pathetic to get a girlfriend despite having the facilities to do so in which case they deserve to suffer. Truecels are owed trans gfs or else you risk the destruction of the west, which is what the transgender uprising has been developed to counter

Being 5’6

im 5'6. I gets lots of chicks. Its a skill issue. User error on your part. You suck at life and its not because of your ht.

Okay, but how do we determine who is or isn't a truecel? Will there be a board overseeing this? Will there be official documents indicating terminal inceldom?

lol
lmao even

Whenever a 5’6 male claims to get “lots of chicks” they always fail to mention the calibre of women, the level of effort put into attaining and maintaining the relationship, and the overall benefits of having done so. For a manlet it is impossible to date a normal woman without being conned or backstabbed, without general society plotting against you to ruin the relationship, without being drained of resources by some worthless whore who only puts out once a week. Even if you are a “gifted” manlet (8+/10 face, 7+ inch cock, millionaire), the level of effort you’re required to put into the relationship trumps what you would’ve gotten out of it. 6’2 unemployed wife beaters can get even better treatment solely for the fact they’re 6’2

Why shouldn’t I be violently transphobic?

Because if trans folk get what they want there's a higher chance you get what you want (gender affirming treatment).

It's true
Something like 40%+ of AMaBs are sexless within the past year.
Trannies can't even help because the bichuds and bichads ARE the ones sexing up troons but tend towards a lot of chewing and screwing, not relationships.

80% of non ethnic males below 5’11 are incels and the number is steadily increasing with societal brainwashing and mind rape of younger generations purposely forming them into goycattle by Jewish media to create a rift between general white societies, the jews want to portray the incels/manlets as the perpetrators for western civilisations collapse while they import immigrants en masse. They want absolute destruction of the west

they always fail to mention the calibre of women

quick with the cope

Smart, beautiful women

it is impossible to date a normal woman without being conned or backstabbed,

Your projection is palpable. sorry you suck but this has never happened to me lol

You’re a disillusioned loser who can’t accept reality

But troons won’t allow manlets to have gender affirming care like height surgery anyways. They would rather try and groom underage low status males into castrating themselves

There's a ton of evidence that they don't. At best, you can force your way in by being superhumanly charismatic or sociopathic, but that just means that regular short guys are fucked.

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Weird assumption.
But also fuck off, you're ruining the thread.

lol if you think the average 5'7 balding guy with facial hair isn't treated like a man you're delusional
you're working with a definition that doesn't apply to the majority of men.

loser

more projection

sorry if I dont fit into your bitter box but by any metric you want to use, I am not a loser lol.

tfw 5'9

too tall to be a cute girl

too short to be an amazonness gigastacy

threads like this make me realize i probably would be an incel if i actually had any interest in dating women

no one is beating short men to death and passing laws outlawing their existence.

no one is misgendering short men intentionally.

religious organizations haven't called short men a crime against god.

short men are treated, in society, as men. hating your body is not the same as gender dysphoria you fucking ape. you don't have gender dysphoria, so you are literally projecting, like the ACTUAL definition of projecting. you are projecting your frustration with being a manlet onto gender dysphoria. its misplaced empathy. I sympathize with you, you are right that it makes life shittier and harder for men to be short. would freely and more powerful cosmetic technology solve both our problems? yes. but we are not the same. you are not hated for wearing a tank top, or shorts or going shirtless or having a beard. you are just made fun of for your appearance. to be clear, that's wrong, but many trans people actively OPT IN to being uglier and more repulsive to others to be more comfortable in your own body and you want to change your body to fit in more and be treated better.

the core motivations are completely different beyond being "body image issue related". trans people are not automatically a victim of a body image issue.

Well there are still non ugly men who feel ugly because they look like men

Maybe if they're older, and appear older. I notice you have to add "balding" and "facial hair" there as a qualifier. Most guys <40 aren't balding, so they get dropped into that realm of boyishness/childishness where the distinction between the genders blurs.
I couldn't grow a full beard until I was 30, and even just 2 weeks ago I was mistaken for a teenager after shaving. When I grow it out, it's not so much taking on a mantle of masculinity as that of "predator" or "homeless" (treated as subhuman and dangerous). The only thing that changes it is wearing a suit, and I don't want to wear a fucking suit everywhere.
Anyway, look up income rates by height. Promotions, too.

I don't see how the fact that tall men are treated better means that short men aren't treated like men

Op said in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION, meaning they have a female trait (being shorter than average compared to most men) and that's why they hate it. Not unlike you who has MALE traits and hates them.

I couldn't grow a full beard until I was 30

im 5'6, have a babyface too. Still cant grow a beard at 30+. I only have to shave twice a week to keep a clean face...never been misgendered. I am not saying I havent been discriminated against because of my ht just that no one confused me for a female- even when I am wearing panties lol

no one is beating short men to death

:cringeface:

and passing laws outlawing their existence.

Fair.

no one is misgendering short men intentionally.

lmao You can't really believe this.

religious organizations haven't called short men a crime against god.

Worse, regular people do it constantly.

short men are treated, in society, as men. hating your body is not the same as gender dysphoria you fucking ape.

Let's see if she sees the contradiction here.

you are projecting your frustration with being a manlet onto gender dysphoria.

It's not projection if it's the same thing (which it is).

but many trans people actively OPT IN to being uglier and more repulsive to others to be more comfortable in your own body

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you are not hated for wearing a tank top, or shorts or going shirtless or having a beard

Short guys can dress normally and be hated. "Creep." "Loser." "Incel."

the core motivations are completely different beyond being "body image issue related". trans people are not automatically a victim of a body image issue.

This is me trying to get you to understand what it means to grow up as a short boy in a society that only values tall men. How it feels to be told not let the bullying bother you, and the infantilization, and the ostracization, and the feelings of worthlessness, because bro you're gonna have a growth spurt don't worry! Except it never comes. Maybe you get a consolation prize Big Dick(TM) that doesn't mean anything unless you're on a nude beach. If you're hairy, you're too hairy, if your smooth you're too smooth (hint: the problem is that you're short). Adults don't see you as an adult until you're way too much of an adult. You watch massive idiots take the spots at college, the jobs, the promotions. You're just not a leader. No one wants to chat with you, network with you, put in a good word for you. What parties? What sports leagues? Stay home. Chat with strangers on a crouton enthusiast gif repost website.
If any of this (not all, just any) sounds familiar, that would be my point. Your "muh special" is a stumbling block, not a security blanket.

I sympathize with you

You clearly don't.

The gender pay gap disappears when you only include short men. So it's either a height pay gap or short men and women are treated similarly in professional situations.

Let's see if she sees the contradiction here.

Also, apologies if I'm incorrectly assuming your gender here.

what it means to grow up as a short boy in a society that only values tall men. How it feels to be told not let the bullying bother you, and the infantilization, and the ostracization, and the feelings of worthlessness,

As a short dude I cant really relate. I was a teased little bit in grade school for being short but that was it- never infantilized, never ostracized and have never felt worthless. Granted I do have a pretty face and a big dick but you seem extra bitter- maybe you are a just a sperglord and would fail at life no matter how tall you were?

5'7 isn't a problem, i'm 5'3, i'm suicidal about it sometimes, desu my life is just so shit u won't believe it, from childhood it was bad

maybe you are a just a sperglord and would fail at life no matter how tall you were?

I've considered it, but having grown up with close family friends who are in the 6'4" range, on the spectrum but quite successful, I've been disabused of that notion. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the main reason they're successful is because of their height. It's hard to see their social success (and all success predicated on it) otherwise (them being of the, "Loudly stating what's on their mind without a tact or rudeness filter," variety).

Yeah, but that's called body dysmorphia, not gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria specifically means a desire to be the OPPOSITE sex than you were born.

average real man vs average pooner