Is Blanchard right about this?
Is Blanchard right about this?
Why is HSTS the good kind and subject to less detailed, intense scrutiny and criticism?
He literally never ever talks about HSTSes.
People also don't hate HSTS as much. He's being empathetic here.
You just have to look at the replies to understand he's 100% accurate about the second part. Terfs do not want self-aware self-flagellating AGPs who give up any claim to women's spaces and just hrtrep in peace, they want AGPs to be institutionalized.
But why does Blanchard NEVER offer detailed stories about his views on HSTS? Why is so much more mental effort expended over AGPs?
if you don't believe in agp that means you're agp
also let me continue to conflate the idea of agp in general which is not contentious, with the idea of agp as a main etiology of transsexuality
You can ask him.
conflate the idea of agp in general which is not contentious
How many times on this board was said that "AGP doesn't exist"?
Why do you think there's basically no serious discussion of what makes HSTS tick at all?
People don't view HSTS as dangerous and they tend to pass better. It's mostly lookism and feminist derived hate of men attracted to women.
Because fem fags were socialized with women and women don't mind sharing spaces with them, and because they don't have to worry about sexual attraction being an ulterior motive. Then as far as men are concerned, no man is fearful of a fruit trying to take advantage of him, at least not as it pertains to his physical safety.
People don't view HSTS as dangerous
straight men do, sexually
Is this a joke?
Because it makes immediate intuitive sense.
Meanwhile there are 9001+ full thesis books and hours long podcasts on how to square desire for transition with attraction to women, stuff sounds hella complicated, a real mental labyrinth
how to square desire for transition with attraction to women
And there is no real solution to that.
Because it makes immediate intuitive sense.
not to me
i transitioned because gender dysphoria was making me feel like shit. i am attracted to women. its not complicated at all imo
androphilia is an inherently feminine characteristic, gynophilia an inherently masculine one. non-transsexual gays don't like to hear this because of essentially political reasons.
but anon women are mostly gynephilic leaning bisexuals
No. Blanchard's typology posits any evidence ot experience that contradicts it's claims as definitionally lies and treats them as evidence of its correctness. This renders it unfalsifiable trans astrology. It exists to pathologize trans women as paraphilic men.
Also modern neurological research into trans people flatly empirically rejects Blanchard's premises.
I'm glad it's straightforward for you. Idk if it's complicated or not but just by observation it seems like a lot of ppl really struggle with it just due to the sheer volume of all the material analyzing it, much of it written by the sufferers themselves
What is the goal of the neurological research? What are they attempting to prove?
modern neurological research into trans people flatly empirically rejects Blanchard's premises
And shows what?
I always feel like those studies measured neoteny and/or meta attraction not gynephilia in particular. It’s sus the visuals they used don’t get revealed.
It's not really relevant. Whether the people who disagree with him have motivated reasoning has no bearing on whether what he is saying is right or wrong.
I've noticed a lot of midwit types do this, they attack the (supposed) motivations behind the arguments they disagree with rather than attacking the arguments themselves.
almost everyone in my life asked if i was going to start dating men now and thats part of the problem, both for those figuring if they are trans or for figuring out why someone would transition.
also let me continue to conflate the idea of agp in general which is not contentious, with the idea of agp as a main etiology of transsexuality
This is basically every Blanchtard in my experience. Every study they cite only ever proves either a. the presence of autogynophilic arousal or b. demographic differences among trans women along the lines of sexual orientation, they never have any actual evidence when it comes to what motivates tansition.
Why is it a problem? Most women date men.
Why wouldn't an intense desire to be a woman motivate someone to transition?
That's not Blanchard's claim and 'why not' isn't evidence.
His claim is that AGP leads to dysphoria.
im not transitioning to date men, my gender dysphoria has nothing to do with my sexual attraction. its not a problem for straight trannies to date men its a problem that it is (more like was in bc its changed in the last ~10yrs) assumed that if you are trans you are straight and will be dating men. i consistently had the thought process that i couldnt be trans because i wasnt attracted to men, and i wouldnt want to date men if i transitioned. so i did my best to ignore the dysphoria but it does not go away.
“Any viable theory relating the etiologies of autogynephilia and transsexualism must explain the following well-established observation: Gender dysphoria, in young nonhomosexual males, usually appears along with, or subsequent to, autogynephilia; in later years, however, autogynephilic sexual arousal may diminish or disappear, while the transsexual wish remains or grows even stronger . . . Such histories are often produced by gender-dysphoric patients, but one does not have to rely on self-report to accept that the transsexual motive may attain, or inherently possess, some independence from autogynephilia. The same conclusion is suggested by the fact that surgical castration and estrogen treatment – which decrease libido in gender dysphorics as in other men – usually have no effect on the desire to live as a female or the resolve to remain in that role.”
so i did my best to ignore the dysphoria but it does not go away.
What was your dysphoria like? Is it cured now?
His claim is that heterosexual men can experience an ETLE which results in autogynophilic arousal which acts as the sole motivation for transition
'Why not' isn't evidence in favour of this claim
I just quoted him, you don't have to make shit up.
Hsts have a been a thing since antiquity and everyone, even the biggest transphobe, can understand why a femfag wants to be a woman.
Why do femfags want to be women?
Because all their interests and desires in life are shared among women, and their attraction is to men. It's very duh.
why does the homo moid obsess over a group of people who doesn't want him?
because they are women
doesn't want him?
constant rumination on how i wanted to be a woman. lowkey early highschool o was high risk for being an incel, but i managed go accept that no women get the short end of the stick more often than not and the fact that i wanted to be one was because i was jealous of them. i isolated myself, and i hated social interactions. for a while i started dissociating but i didnt actually know what that was at the time or why i would do it, and it got to be decently frequent. i disliked a lot of aspects of my body like my height, and i hated being shirtless even though i knew its ok for men to be shirtless and i wasnt overweight. i got depressed and started doing drugs, which increased in frequency until i was high more often than sober. i grew up and learned more about trannies and all my jealously i had for women instantly transferred onto them. no i did not become a chud, but i would have been the worlds worst chaser. i didnt interact with them since i am shy and hated social interaction already. when i finally came to terms with being trans i couldnt go more than a few hours at a time thinking about being a woman.
Is it cured now
no, it is significantly reduced however and that is a night and day difference
Blanchard wants to have sex with transbians? You are out of your mind. Nobody wants transbians except other transbians.
I am dysphoric too, I spend an emabrassing amount of time on all this. But it's like I don't have a breaking point like others do.
effeminate gay men in general, or just those with gender dysphoria?
effeminate men are all dysphoric but might be unaware of it
Just like submissive straight men.
How would you propose to make them more aware? Do you want them to be aware of it?
we don't really need to, they're already trooning en masse
that's not true at all
james charles is completely cis
Initially the research discovered and then tried to corroborate that trans people tend to have a shared set of structural brain abnormalities in the parts of the brain that mediate the relationship between the self, the body and the external world. This neurology basically corresponds to the gender identity -> gender identity incongruence model of transness and contradicts Blanchard's model. In the first place, it seems ALL trans people, regardless of AGAB, direction of transition, or sexual orientation share the same underlying neurology of being trans. Further research showed that cross sex HRT neurologically treats the brains of trans people, reducing the differences between their brains and those of cis people.
looking back you can say it was my breaking point but thats not how it felt at the time. constantly living like that was wearing me down, i was tired and unhappy, numb to everything but myself hatred and how i would never be a woman. it was just a long continuation in a constant grind. i made the decision to finally do something for myself that u wanted, its been the best decision ive made even though it might end up with me being sent to a concentration camp in the near future. if you are dysphoric you should really reassess what barriers are keeping you from transition and try to ignore the world around you telling you how horrible you are. <3
james charles's career is too tied to being a gay man
he will likely transition eventually though
the same underlying neurology of being trans.
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How does this contradicts his model?
what barriers are keeping you from transition and try to ignore the world around you telling you how horrible you are.
So many of them. I do feel that I am horrible. Nobody would understand me.
To add to this they are typically more attracted to conventionally masculine men, not other fems, so living as a woman would be an upgrade to them. Masculine androphile men are mostly into either each other or they're pederasts which is not so sustainable for the fem partner.
i dont think youre horrible anon even though i dont really know you. i think its more likely that you are just hurting and trying to navigate a world that wants to hurt you more. plenty of trannies will understand you, theres just a matter of finding the ones kind enough to listen to you.
Yeah, but other people won't. It would be an epic social suicide.
as apposed to the flushing socialite repper lifestyle? i get it anon, i truly have nothing but empathy because i was in your situation
I am not saying my current repper lifestyle is any good. But there is no upgrade available.