This Place is Steeped in Suffering

your god is dead and your faith is death, cultist

There is no woman in your mirror. You are a man. If you still havent accepted that you havent begun to grasp Buddhism.

You are still in denial about your suffering, that is base and unholy. You are as much of a fraud as a Buddhist as you are a woman.

religions are all the same
spiritual awakenings are illusory
you found a new perspective on the world and that feels cool at first, okay

ironic that you use a quote from AM. A character that is literally the definition of ego. It knows only desire, craving, grasping, and suffering. It can never be at peace because it is controlled by its hatred of humans.

seems pretty reductive no?

how do you figure? go on. finish that thought, or was that all?

I am neither man nor woman. I’m the thing that’s aware of experience. Unholy? Are you even a buddhist? The Buddha taught the middle way, not dogma. Seeing your tanha for what it is, not pretending you don’t experience it at all. I’m in no denial. Suffering happens. It’s caused by craving. It can end. And I walk the eightfold path in that pursuit. Your understanding of the four noble truths seems underdeveloped.

I understand your perspective, but for all you know *all* of reality is illusory. Materialism can’t solve consciousness or solipsism. It’s founded on unfalsifiable presuppositions. It’s useful for some things, but not all. It’s not supposed to be the full picture.
I actually agree with you that religions are all the same. I meant something different by that statement before my awakening though.
I see the patterns that connect them all now. It feels obvious in hindsight.

seems pretty reductive no?

I mean isn't it? Like at the end of the day its just a set of practices found via trial and error coupled with some cope about "uh muh you are suffering because you were bad in the past life". If you don't have the discipline to do the practices the only answer bvddha has is "sucks to be you go die lmao"

Wrong. Youre a man.

Cloaking your suffering in a delusion is not a Buddhist tenant. Your buddhism is as much a larp as your womahood is.

And suddenly youre “neither man nor woman” when a moment ago youre a “woman in the mirror”. Very slippery, delusional thinking.

Im a Taoist.

Tenet. Autocorrect.

for all you know *all* of reality is illusory

All of reality is all of reality. The difference between me and you is that I don't cut out a special space for my beliefs, while using a prior ignorance to do that. I just Kant do that.

replace that obsession with this one instead

No I will continue to do things in moderation thank you.

religions are all the same

not really most of them are about encouraging breeding, buddhism otoh is a set of practices to get you to accept the inevitability of death so you stop spazzing out and hurting yourself and others

yeah no that’s not it at all. not even close. seems closer to hinduism i guess? but like someone who’s never studied hinduism’s idea of hinduism.

how am I cloaking my suffering in delusion? You’re conflating I (my ego) and I (my observer self/the oneness/what you’d call the tao)

I (my ego) want to be a woman. I am mindful of this desire. I choose to indulge mindfully without allowing my expectations or desire of outcome to cause me suffering. I (my observer self) experience desire in the same way I experience anything. It’s not something that’s controllable by me (my observer self *or* my ego). What I can control (arguably) is how I proceed with handeling the desire.

Neither of us is the Tao.

You are suffering because youre not a woman. Pretending youre a woman is a denial of your suffering, and this is base. The Buddha taught acceptance of suffering, not pretending to be something youre not when it causes you suffering.

If you cant accept that youre a man, like it or not, youre not accepting your suffering and are base.

fine by me. this was a suggestion for those who are suffering here. it’s up to you whether or not to try it out.
all of reality might not even exist outside of your own mind. buddhism helps me to ground myself. if it doesn’t help you, then don’t practice it. I am only leaving this post here in hopes that it resonates with someone so that they can escape the cycle of coming here and hating themself every day.

following the way doesn’t exclude inner nature. forcing myself to act like a man externally causes me to live in conflict with my nature. the dysphoria i feel is a manifestation of the imbalance of trying to live that way. how can a taoist claim to tell someone else how to live the way? do you have direct access to my inner nature?

yeah no that’s not it at all

One of the Mahayanas first verses is about people who have degenerate minds deserving to suffer whatever the consequences of this are. It's all about practices meant to help control the mind and if you can't do these practices consistently you deserve the suffering you get. Literally the logical conclusion of the bvddhas teachings.

AM will be your judge. And hes lenient compared to others. The angels are worse.

There is no contradiction in a man having a feminine aspect in the Tao. There is no need for a man to falsely claim to be a woman because there is no such contradiction.

Whether or not you accept that you are living as a man, you are living as a man. I can tell you this because it is the truth. A taoist has no want or need to hide from the truth. The inability to accept your own limitations, your own suffering, or the world as it is, is base.

You are a fraud as a woman and as a spiritualist. Until you can accept that you are a man, you will be base. Worse than base, because you believe you have elevated beyond your baseness and his halts your growth. You have neither transitioned or transcended.

you seem to be referring to “those with degenerate minds deserve their suffering”
suffering isn’t deserved in a moralistic, punitive sense, it’s the natural consequence of actions driven by those unwholesome roots (what's called karma). the universe isn’t punishing you. it’s cause and effect.

genuinely i need a place thats somewhere between /tttt/ constant suicidal negativity and reddit sickening hugboxing

you’re misusing taoist philosophy as a cudgel for personal bias.
“I can tell you this because it is the truth” is so ironic coming from a taoist. “He who knows does not speak. He who speaks does not know”
also, the notion of “limitations” isn’t about submitting to the suffering imposed by others or denying your nature, but about accepting your place as it truly is, without ego-driven clinging or forced conformity.
your entire statement reveals your own clinging to rigid binaries, to ego-based assertions of “truth,” and to a false sense of spiritual superiority. which, ironically, are precisely what Taoism warns against.
stop tearing people down on Anon Babble and go live your way.

suffering isn’t deserved in a moralistic, punitive sense, it’s the natural consequence of actions driven by those unwholesome roots (what's called karma). the universe isn’t punishing you. it’s cause and effect.

I mean this is literally the just world fallacy and actually useless for some people, observe:

A "Bvddha what do I am suffering"

B "You cause your own suffering by your actions, you keep generating bad karma, here is how to stop"

A "I'm not disciplined enough to do that"

B "Suffer and die then lmao"

See? A tale as old as time. Good if you can do the thing consistently but good luck otherwise

or was that all?

that was all :)

Im not tearing you down calling you a man, you are a man. If being reminded of that simple truth is painful to you, that is because you are avert to the truth.

The tao te ching is itself comprised of words, silence is not a taoist tenet. Ironic that you use words to try and claim as much. Thats the sort of one dimensionality youd see from someone scrambling wikipedia.

Taoism doesnt teach relativity of truth either.

I dont claim to be a superior Buddhist to you, as im not a Buddhist. But youre a poor excuse for one, so long as you falsely claim to be a woman and deny your suffering.

there’s that phrase “deny your suffering” again. you’re either a troll or don’t have a very good grasp on eastern philosophy.
i’ve read the Tao Te Ching multiple times. where did i claim that silence was a tenet?
“i’m not tearing you down”
literally called me a fraud multiple times.
i’m ending this conversation as you are being disingenuous. conversations with dishonest people go nowhere.

dishonest people

man pretending to be a woman

Go to a Buddhist monastery in Asia and ask them if youre a woman.

Your inner being is dependent on the approval of others

Lmao

what do Buddhist monks know about Buddhism compared to me, random faggot in the internet

Go ask one if youre a woman. The trip will do you good.

And youre still replying :)

Bro I'm not OP and the bvddha never mentioned being trans in his writings right

There are no writings of his own, it began orally and was transmitted into writing later. Some Buddhists claim there are rules about sexual conduct and the current Dalai Lama has instructed against homosexuality, but transgenderism, I dont think so. Im not a Buddhist though.

Fundamentally though, pretending to be something youre not because it alleviates your suffering doesnt strike me as accordance to the teaching.

pretending to be something youre not because it alleviates your suffering doesnt strike me as accordance to the teaching

Therefore OP shouldn't pretend to be a man because dipshits bully her into doing so and pretending to be a man would stop the bullying. Someone AMAB can still be a woman because this depends on gender which is not equal to your biological sex.

OP can't pretend to be a man, because he is a man. Just as I can't pretend to be alive. You can't pretend to type what you just typed.

I can't bully someone into changing their gender any more than a surgeon can change their gender. He's a man and always will be, nothing I say can do anything about that.

Gender comes from the latin "gen" meaning "to birth". "Genitals" starts with this same prefix because they are interrelated, as they both relate to your reproductive function, your birthing function.

The word was use interchangeably with "sex" from the 1600s. Fringe writers began subverting the term "gender" in the early 60s and dictionaries have only followed course in the last ten years. Still the ethymology and history of the word are synonymous with sex.

The need to change the word was only necessary because the ability to actually change gender eludes us. If you could actually change your gender, the change of definition would be unnecessary.

OP is a man pretending to be a woman, pretending to be a Buddhist.

You can't pretend to type what you just typed.

Funny you say that because gender is a role you play.

People were retarded street shitters in the past with primitive understandings of science and psychology who conflated gender with biological sex

Just because people thought that soap was unnecessary in hospitals in the past doesn't mean we should follow their ways. You just want everyone that threatens the elites definition of gender to disappear.

gender is a role you play

Not the case at all. Someone in a coma has a gender. Someone asleep has a gender. It has nothing to do with roleplay.

needs to rewrite what I've written in order to dismantle it

A tacit admission the truth of what was written was devestating to your argument.

Also, look into the Tavistock and it's relation to your movement before tuttutting anyone about "the elite". You are a useful idiot in a psychological operation you can't understand. Trannies are being foisted on soceity exactly to make society more gullible and pliant.

The elites use you and mock you.

Don’t bother with this guy. They’re either a troll or a moron. Probably both.
If he’s being genuine, he’s mistaken noise for wisdom.

Since you mistake yourself for a woman, your estimation of what one mistakes for what, or what is genuine, has little to no bearing to me.

Trolling is inherently dishonest. I mean every word I'm saying to you. It isn't trolling just because you find it unflattering. No more than your mirror trolls you when it reminds you how you appear.

Someone in a coma has a gender. Someone asleep has a gender.

I mean you're right but part of the parameters of gender is an act.

needs to rewrite what I've written in order to dismantle it

That's what you did in the beginning genius.I just summarized what you wrote. It's an appeal to definitions and concepts people had in the past about something they were too primitive to understand.

Trannies are being foisted on society to make people more gullible and pliant

Trans people have always existed in society and normcattle have always been gullible and pliant. Nothing new here. This is just fearmongering pushed by the elites to support traditional views on sex and gender.

Since you mistake yourself for a woman

Gender isn't biological sex. If any trans woman listens to you she would mistake herself as a man. You just want them all to disappear to preserve an eroding status quo

He saw that you were happy for once and couldn't accept it.

It's not. I've already provided the actual definition of gender.

If it was an act, when they found an unidentified body they would say "we'll never know its gender". Of course, this is absurd.

You're making a retarded leap that because people were wrong in one way they msut also be wrong in another. People who believed the earth was flat also believed that 1 and 1 were 2. Their being wrong about one thing does not negate the other thing being true.

The necessity to redefine "gender" is based on the want flatter people who are unhappy about their ability to change their gender. If you could change into a woman, there would be no need to claim that some women have dicks. Such people would just become women. Since you cannot, as a cope, you try to mangle language so that people will call you a woman, even though the mirror tells you otherwise.

In much the same way OP uses Buddhism as a way to flatter his own ego after the mirror bruises it so easily.

And trans people have never existed. People who are dissatisfied with the gender have alwayx existed, but the ability to "travel across' (meaning of the prefix trans) one gender to another has never existed and likely never will.

Consider the number of world leaders, especially Jewish ones, tech billionaires, media moguls etc that are pushing tranny shit on the world and try to understand how silly you look attempting to position yourself as anti-elitist. A person who can be convinced that a woman has a dick can be easily convinced of just about anything, this is your purpose to the elites.

You're a man. We both know that. If people stop believing or pretending to believe that you are a woman, you will not cease to exist. You will exist either way, but in neither case will you exist as a woman. This will elude you for your whole life, you are a man.

My alzhemic grandmother might be happier beliving she is 40 years old and still a mother of young children, and I may even play along with her out of pity, but that does not change the reality of her situation.

Happiness and truth are not always the same thing. The closer they are to the same thing for you, the healthier a person you are. When you equate the truth with unhappiness, bullying etc, it demonstrates only that you are a dishonest person.

You're making a retarded leap that because people were wrong in one way they msut also be wrong in another

No I'm saying they were retarded to claim gender and biological sex are one and the same and it's retarded to look at traditions being correct just because they are ancient.

but the ability to "travel across' (meaning of the prefix trans) one gender to another has never existed and likely never will

Again gender is not biological sex. And there are a few historical examples that I can't be bothered to look up at the moment other than Hijra.

Consider the number of world leaders, especially Jewish ones, tech billionaires, media moguls etc that are pushing tranny shit on the world

Murdoch media certainly doesn't. Tech billionaires are virtue signalling. Jews hate queers.
Your entire argument is "biological sex and gender are the same" and a slippery slope logical fallacy. FFS normcattle unironically believe in god and whatnot the job is already done.

You're a man. We both know that. If people stop believing or pretending to believe that you are a woman, you will not cease to exist. You will exist either way, but in neither case will you exist as a woman. This will elude you for your whole life, you are a man.

NTA and you still haven't proven that biological sex and gender are the same.

Happiness and truth are not always the same thing.

Same as above, the truth is that it's a lot more complicated than biological sex = gender. What you are trying to espouse is just false.

They are the same thing insofar as the ethymology gender implies that it relates to birthing function, as does about 400 years of its usage.

Two plus two is five if we decide that the sound "five" means this many: XXXX, what we call four. To this degree, gender can mean anything, as can any other word. The whole thing rests on some agreement between people on which sound denotes what.

If you wanted to have a word for how masculine or feminine a person feels, or the degree to which their own interests or personality align with those that are typical of their sex/gender (again, the same thing), I don't begrudge you that, it's a useful concept to have a word.

But I do begrudge you taking a word that already has a meaning that is contrary to that, injecting confusion into what is being spoken about, when you could so easily create a new word to describe a new concept, one that doesn't have a history and ethymology that is very clearly related to reproductive function.

Especially given that the reason you are taking an existing word is to flatter yourself. You are unable to change your gender, and so instead, you are trying to change the word gender and shoehorn yourself into womanhood by way of linguistics rather than reality.

Whatever mangling you do with language you are left with the problem that you are irrenconcilably different from your sister and mother in a way that they are immovably alike. To put yourself in the same category of them serves no purpose other than to flatter yourself. If you wish to flatter yourself, go ahead. But you are still a man and always will be.

If you truly belived you were a woman, you wouldn't envy women. If the people in your life saw you as a woman, more of them would date you. The whole thing is play acting, your pretending to be a woman is a performance, your friends playing along out of pity, fear, laziness etc is also play acting.

ethymology gender implies that it relates to birthing function, as does about 400 years of its usage

People defined gender based on biological sex and then kept making this mistake for over 400 years.

Ok.

You are unable to change your gender

I mean you can't really change your sex at brith but you can "change" your gender from the perspective of an outside observer who incorrectly assumes sex and gender are the same thing.

irrenconcilably different from your sister and mother in a way that they are immovably alike

Yeah if you think sex and gender are the same thing. I'm not trans btw

To put yourself in the same category of them serves no purpose other than to flatter yourself.

If you're a man you need to be shot for this level of foid worship, I'm sorry, just how things are. This is the real part of what is destroying civilization.

If you truly belived you were a woman, you wouldn't envy women

Doesn't make sense, it's a mark of a woman to envy other women.

I mean you can't really change your sex at brith but you can "change" your gender from the perspective of an outside observer who incorrectly assumes sex and gender are the same thing.

If we decide that the word "age" can mean not only the amount of time that you have been alive, but how old you would prefer to be, or how old you feel like you are, then someone born in 1925 could today claim to be 10 years of age because they enjoy watching cartoons and eating sweets.

To the degree someone is born in 1925 is today 10 years of age, someone can change their gender. The whole thing rests of "if we decide a word means what I prefer it to mean". but by the same logic, 2 and 2 is 5, literally any statement can be made true or untrue just by defining its terms. Its a disingenuous mode to take.

observer who incorrectly assumes sex and gender are the same thing

They are the same thing. If they are two different things, a woman and so called "transwoman" (really "pseudowoman") are two entirely different things.

If you're a man you need to be shot for this level of foid worship, I'm sorry, just how things are.

This is a cheap evasion. If you want my power ranking. Men are better than women, women are better than faggots who pretend to be women, who are better than women who pretend to be men (insofar as they were playing life on easy mode and willingly shot themselves in the foot).

Doesn't make sense, it's a mark of a woman to envy other women.

Not when want you envy about them is that they are women, faggot.

Sophistry about being trans age

They are the same thing because cis women exist

Again, biological sex and gender are different.

women are better than faggots who pretend to be women

They aren't pretending to be women, they are women.

when want you envy about them

Why are you seething this much, I think it's time to stop, your ability to stay coherent is suffering. Trans women envy cis women because for cis women the sex and gender align and they don't envy all cis women only the hot ones.

Your actual gender (your sex) and how masculine or feminine you feel (give it a word) are different. But how masculine or feminine you feel isn't your gender.

You are unable to change your gender, so you are trying to change what the word means.

The only difference between trans age and trans gender is one flatters you and the other does not. Your gender is as fixed as your age is. You can only change them by changing the term.

All so called "transwomen" are men pretending to be women.

Sex and gender always align because they are the same thing. Your gender and what gender you wish you was sometimes doesn't align because you are mentally ill. But dissatisfaction with your gender does not change your gender.

"I'm not jealous of young people I just with my age coincided with what I wish my age was"

Is just layer upon layer of cope. You are a man pretending to be a woman, you will never be a woman.

Your actual gender (your sex)

Lmfao biological sex and gender are different

If you want a word for how masculine or feminine a person feels, "gender" is a pretty terrible one, because it's ethymology is inherently tied to "genitals", and you create confusion over what people mean by gender when they use the word, since only a tiny fraction of the amount of times the word has been used has been in reference to anything but sex. And the vast majority of people alive don't believe a man can become a woman, or a man that wishes he was a woman is one.

It has been chosen as the word exactly to cause this sort of confusion, because you cannot actually change your gender, and so, you instead attempt to change the meaning of the word gender. But this won't actually change your gender.

Your whole argument is "two plus two is five if we say that five means four".

Utlimately the sound you use to describe four has no bearing on the reality that underlies four, which is that it is this many: XXXX. If you can convince someone that the word "gender" means something new, you are left with the problem that your gender is exactly the same as what it was before. It's just a shell game.

If you could actually change your gender, it wouldn't be necessary to change the word. The necessity to resort to the strategy is a tacit admssion you cannot actually change your gender.