Trannies are you okay?

I changed my biological sex

get pregnant then

sex is not only mutable, we rewrite it all the time

no you don't trannoid
just deal with it

the solution isnt to be aggressive. its to retreat back into an obscure subculture that no one knows anything about
before 2015 or so things were much better. but the news started pronting articles about trans kids

I wasn’t even that anon and have no idea what you’re spiraling about (didn’t read their post)

Im going to assume you’re in the wrong because of the sperging tho

infertile women are men now
trannies, gather around, we found the genius

a nonfunctional organ doesn't stop being that organ, retard

oh i bet the chaser would support a system where we have to show cards to enter a bathroom, maybe even carry around, say, a pink triangle, to identify ourselves?
just say you view us as men you pornsick chaser
god this is why i fucking hate chasers so much

So we're just basing its "reality as an organ" off of its hypothetical functionality?

Do you even pass?

waaaaaaahhhhhhhh you only managed to get like 80% of the way there

Last I checked we have a binary system of sex classification, do we not? It doesn't matter anyways, before this century is out if human civilization persists MtF transsexuals will give birth.

no you didn't, because if you did that would invalidate my worldview!

The cissoid flees from truth.

do you think a failed liver stops being a liver?

Yes, if I didn't I wouldn't be as violently resentful of cis people. You only get this resentful and hateful towards 'phobes by passing.

infertile women are men now

trannies, gather around, we found the genius

well they can be women too they just need to change their biological sex so they can have children just like you hon

80%

meanwhile 0% of your DNA is female

I think you're a male woman. I think that this is more plausible than believing you've managed to nudge yourself not just off the male pile but into the female pile. I've never voted for a conservative in my entire life, I never will, and trans issues are one of my big concerns in politics now. I think that trans people are really bad at self-advocacy, and allowing people who, like it or not, are defined by being mentally ill create the narratives that justify their existence really shows the limits of how progressive politics treats minority groups. You need to bring things like transmedicalism to the forefront and get rid of all the weird bullshit that does numbers in social media bubbles but which sounds insane online.

based and real

uh huh im sure mr chaser.
and im sure you'd be in support of not letting trans kids get hrt, because thats "batshit" huh.
i hate, hate, capital h HATE, liberals like you. just willing to throw us under the bus. transmedicalism won't work. right wingers do not accept any science at this point anyway.

usually it's either removed from the body and tossed out or rotting inside a body so yeah, it's basically an useless pile of tissue

it's still a fucking liver, there is such a thing as a liver that does not work
your whole ontology is fucked

cissoid doesn't understand how DNA works

This is what I resent most about you stupid fucking cattle. You literally do not understand anything about how biological sex works and yet you all act like you have PhDs in genomics. If you knew anything about sex chromosomes and DNA you would know that the X has all the genes you actually need to live, while the Y chromosome basically just has genes to trigger the development of the testes, penis, and scrotum in the womb, and then to begin production of sperm later on. That's it. I haven't had testes or even a penis in years. So what does it matter if I have some vestigial genes that don't do anything floating around in my genetic code? Why would that be a relevant characteristic in classifying my biological sex?

does a person who is paralyzed from the waist-down have legs?

the legs usually still "work" (have nerve impulse, can feel, in many cases can move a bit) so yeah
you know what's fucked too, anony? read my flag and find out

humans reproduce heterosexually
males produce sperm
females produce eggs
when people say biological sex they mean your reproductive organs 100% of the time

anything else is just cope and you know it

yes the legs are still alive but cannot perform their original function
kinda like an infertile female's reproductive organs

why do you think legs are their own organism? They can't be "dead" or "alive"

I obviously meant that they're still living tissue
your post is pathetic and smells of reddit

men and women are two parts of humans, just with separate bodies each with its own purpose

when people say biological sex they mean your reproductive organs 100% of the time

So you agree I'm biologically female then? Or is this where you engage in lengthy apologetics to explain why actually my pussy is still spiritually a penis or my vulva is haunted by the ghost of the testes I don't have anymore.

is a male who got their dick chopped off in a snowplow accident a female?

your sex is male
your gender is woman
I support your right to get SRS but no I dont think it qualifies as female reproductive organs

Your post smells of dick cheese
wuh

is a male who got their dick chopped off in a snowplow accident a female

You're the one who said biological sex should be defined by genitalia, not me! If your definition leads you to such conclusions it's solely your own fault.

your sex is male

*Was male, and then through a process of medical interventions I changed it. I don't think you could necessarily point at a specific moment in time and say 'that's when she officially became female' but nonetheless I find it tiresome that you insist on denying the reality of my current existence. It makes much more sense to define biosex as something composed of hormonal balance, genitalia, genetics etc and simply accept that for most people it's uncomplicated and for trans and intersex people it gets messy.

I'm more female than you dude

"biological sex" is not something actual biologists say
a biologist would distinguish between chromosomal sex, genital sex, phenotypic sex, etc. And many characteristics of the traits that are considered when distinguishing sex are changeable.
"biological sex" is not actually a well defined scientific concept and is basically just a dogwhistle for "sex is what was put on your birth certificate".

In terms of what's relevant to society, sex is reproductive roles. Nobody is arguing with you about muh genomics because that is literally irrelevant and you only use it to pretend like you are the same as the average woman on the street who can and do get pregnant the way you never will

Liberal here, I think trans kids should be able to buy their own HRT after work.

NTA. Sex is a entirely holistic concept because the body of the individual is organized and develops on a certain way around their genitals, we're talking about the sexed body as a system that can't be changed with our current technology. At best you can have a sorry excuse of a imitation but that's just a imitation

nta but holism is retarded and its creators should be fed to swine

Fact

we're talking about the sexed body as a system that can't be changed with our current technology

it can tho

Use all the words you want anon but your base is wrong so everything you're going to try and convey is fundamentally wrong.

twinkhon

so it didnt work on you?

Just because there are exceptions doesn't invalidate it. You don't see biology textbooks refuse to say "typically humans are supposed to have 2 eyes" just because some people are born with birth defects giving them 1 or 3 eyes or siamese twins are a thing. For the same reason intersex people doesnt invalidate biological sex. Why are trannies so adamant on preventing people from saying the emperor has no clothes
Yes, it's a fetish. And like any other fetish it's important to not let it consume every other part of your life. If you're a normal person who happens to yiff in a fursuit in the comfort of your own home that's one thing. If you want to force people to legally recognize you as a wolf that's another thing

Well yeah because these born with 3/1 eye are born dead anon
Also

projection

Hmm

You don't see biology textbooks refuse to say "typically humans are supposed to have 2 eyes"

but we also don't legally or medically define humans as having 2 eyes
we can generalize while also allowing for exceptions

Shes right though

can you define an eye?

Actually based as fuck. Rare mainstream tranny subreddit W. Kys if you're a troon and disagree, optics are beyond dead and the cis will always find an excuse to take away our rights even when there are none. This is no time to be a cuck.

I can describe an eye
definitions in biology are for the practical use of biologists, but nature always spites attempts at hard definitions

But we also arent trying to censor or hide the fact that humans normally have 2 eyes. There is not movement to force textbooks to say that humans can have any number of eyes.

Well yeah because these born with 3/1 eye are born dead anon

Ehhh some of them live for quite a bit

>projection

No I was just explaining why it's not hypocritical for a chaser to still acknowledge trannies are not biological females while still not being gay

But we also arent trying to censor or hide the fact that humans normally have 2 eyes

is there a movement to say that humans can't have one eye?

trannies never stood a chance, everything you do makes you less and less acceptable to the masses, youre barely tolerated as is and kikes at the top just push you as another distraction for the goyim. i have no sympathy for your cause because youre the lowest form of life (at the moment at least)

If people started believing they are supposed to have only 1 eye and them being born with a 2nd eye was a mistake and start gouging out their eyes or trying to convince other people to gouge out their eyes to solve their problems then yeah there would probably be a movement to try to help get these people to not blind themselves

A reminder that chasers as proven here are nothing but fetishist & sexual predator and should be banned from here

that's funny coming from the people who want to take away the rights of anyone with one eye
perhaps you just aren't being honest with the biological reality if you need to pretend that it's impossible to have less than two eyes

chasers really are the worst flags this year

please ban the chasers so that all the troons rope from lack of attention

Worst flag was boymoders for 2 years straight but now its chasers youre right

getting mad over a medical fact and expecting to be taken seriously

why can't we accept that we are our ASAB by definition

im not allowed to say this!!

Not for a second in your life was this true. Slit your throat perma triggered baby

you're triggered when people refer to your biological, immutable sex and you're calling anyone else triggered, the iconic faggot irony

because "ASAB" is literally just "what did the doctor write down when you were born"
you realize that the term originally comes from intersex people who were literally assigned a sex at birth by doctors which very often was found to have been the wrong decision later in life? That's the reason the term is "assigned", because it's not accurate.

Any pushback means youre triggered

Another baby itt

there's 0% chance people will refer to any tranny as a biological woman, so it's a wasted effort

it's not assigned, it's observed
your sex is known before you're born usually

omab and ofab

you're the one who said ASAB
if it was just observed, they wouldn't need to do surgeries on intersex babies to fit the decision they made, which again shows the problem with acting like "ASAB" is the most important thing

I changed my biological sex

where are your womb, period, womb, XX and etc, Mr.Delulu?

nowhere, he's gonna screech on a tranny board while no one will recognize it in real life

I changed my biological sex

i'm sorry anon i really wish that were true and i hope and believe we will one day have the technology to do that but we don't and you didn't

This is fundamentally incorrect, though. Your body doesn't 'develop around' your genitals, it develops (in regards to sex) around your hormones. Your genitals are a consequence of those hormones. They don't even develop around your gonads, as important as they are, because even if your Y made you have testicles, if your body doesn't process androgens it'll be in all ways (except gonads) female in development.

Damn thanks for clarifying that you think intersex CAIS females are male, I love it when you morons drop the masks and get really purity obsessed like the good nazis you so obviously are.

at the end of the day youre just a dysgenic mutant, drill that into your male skull and dont try to wear the skin of real women

But there's a difference that technology can never bridge: cis women don't need to be feminine or have a female way of thinking, while trans women always need to embrace a female mindset.

A non-feminine cis woman is called a tomboy, but an MTF who thinks like a man, even if her body looks 100% like a cis woman, is definitely not recognized as a woman.
She's just seen as a man whose appearance was changed by technology

You're arguing with two people. One of them is a tourist here to screech about hating trannies and never engaged with you honestly, and the other is a Chaser who still has delusions of being some based tradcon and hates you while seeing you as a fetish because he's a natural abuser.

engaged honestly

what is there to engage honestly with? if you think you can unironically call yourself a biological fucking woman while being born as a male is schizophrenic level, that is actual woman erasure

technology may not be able to bridge that gap, but culture can and eventually will

dysgenic

Follow your leader, Magda.
Nah there's 3 or 4 at this point, a couple more have just walked in. Like this idiot I'm telling to dome themselves a few lines up.

I'm not the chaser but I agree with him. I don't care if trannies self-id as something else that isn't their ASAB as long as they don't try to force all of us to recognize them as the opposite sex, at least in enviroments like dating, work, healthcare, education, sports and single-sex spaces.

A non-feminine cis woman is called a tomboy

We call them reppers

NTA You are not born as intersex.
You’re an estrogenized male who hasn’t removed many of the differences between male and female.
Face, voice, body frame, bones, muscles, reproductive organs, hormones, etc.

You don't get it. Culture might pretend they are the same, but they are fundamentally not the same.

A delicious ice cream.
A delicious ice cream, but you know it was made from dog poop, transformed using advanced technology.

Sorry that you debase yourself to appease cis people anon, hopefully you get some self-respect.

Why are there so many anons with flags in /tttt/ lately?
???? Am I not keeping up with the news or something?

I don't care if trannies self-id as something else that isn't their ASAB as long as they don't try to force all of us to recognize them as the opposite sex, at least in enviroments like dating, work, healthcare, education, sports and single-sex spaces.

Isn't it kinda funny that trannies are digging their hole deeper and deeper? First it was the pronouns, later it was wanting to separate the biological sex from gender shit, now they demand everyone to agree that 2+2=5 or else they'll rope

noooooooooo you weren't born that way so it's not the same

And? So what? Did I ask my makers, from mine clay to mould me man? Did I solicit them from darkness to promote me? Obviously not. I have reconstituted myself, against the natural order, and all you can do about it is impotently fling spittle and insults at me in a desperate attempt to put the genie back in the bottle.

appease cis people

silly. i am cis.

You don't get it.

to skim the thinnest layer of all that i "get" and have a sip for yourself, to graze up against the corona of my wisdom for an instant, to fathom merely a passing whim of mine would give you a fuckin aneurysm never speak to me again oh you make me so ANGRY

who cares man youre still a male in your documents, sucks to be you

So infertile women are men after all?

People like this make me want to rip my own skin for liking you mentally ill freaks

Infertile women don't have to train their voices to sound like a woman. They don't have to take hormones to develop breasts. They have natural vaginas. Their bodies are naturally soft. Their hair has a different texture. And so on, so on.

there are no exceptions except for the exceptions

gotta be my favourite brand of nonsense posing as an argument

It's june.

you're still male in your documents

Wrong again!

your medical records wont mention you as a biological woman though, because that would be against your interest if you had to be taken care of in case of emergency surgery and shit like that.

Nope, you don't even get that victory. It's in my medical history that I'm a transsexual but the sex marker on records is F. It actually wouldn't be in my interest to have an M there, they might overload me on anesthesia and kill me.

It's in my medical history that I'm a transsexual

lol doesn't that defeat the purpose
holy crap

Infertile women don't have to train their voices to sound like a woman.

Neither do youngshits. You don't even need modern medicine for this one, based classical cultures all over the world regularly castrated their trannies young. You have to go out of your way to brainwash society with christcuck propaganda to get trannies to regularly go through male puberty, it's a completely manufactured problem.

They don't have to take hormones to develop breasts.

Yeah they do, if they're born without ovaries.

They have natural vaginas.

The vagina is one of the first things to get fucked up if female development doesn't happen normally, so wrong again.

Their bodies are naturally soft. Their hair has a different texture. And so on, so on.

These are literally just the effects of estrogen.
I repeat: do you insist that a woman who has to take HRT and get a vaginoplasty due to a birth defect, but is otherwise completely cis, is actually a man?

doesn't that defeat the purpose

No? What do you think, that I want every doctor I talk to asking why I'm on HRT drugs as an under 30 that typically wouldn't be prescribed until I'm 50? No thanks. Even if some moron anesthesiologist did see that then try to overdose me, all their professional guidance says "tranny shit different, limited data, monitor closely at all times" to prevent that sort of fuckup.

NTA but a transphobic nurse once tried to kill me so I had my medical records expunged. Somehow I don't feel like some hypothetical 0.0000001% risk of complications from an improbably contrived scenario is that much to worry about by comparison.

Trannies, do you really want to create more TERF?
Because this how you create more TERFs.

Story?

noooooooooo you weren't born that way so it's not the same

True.

I have reconstituted myself.

Well, many trannies couldn't even pass in both face and voice......................
This aint it.

Trannies are highly dependent on technology.

If it were the Stone Age, there would be no reconstitution. Even current technology is pretty shitty too. Speaking of reconstitution, many trans people still have penises as well.

noooooooooo you weren't born that way so it's not the same

I have reconstituted myself.

Many people have not thought about the CORE QUESTION.
If you take apart a Toyota piece by piece and replace each part with Lamborghini parts, is the final product a Lamborghini?
Yes, 100%, it is. But all the Toyota parts are gone, the original 'person' no longer exists.
This isn’t gender transition or rebirth, this is the erasure of soul, persona, person and YOU.

the seperate sex from gender thing only really benefits people who dont transition and non binary people
being a transsexual was ways about changing sex characteristics as much as possible
its been watered down into more abstract transgender identity and from there we have been stereotyped and reduced to the idea we are all basically the same biologically as other people of our 'birth sex', which just isnt true

maybe an honest trans sceptical approach would position us as an inbetween thing, but saying trans women are just ,biologically male, or whatever is only ever done maliciously in an attempt to conjure up the most bad faith mental images possible

this is the erasure of soul, persona, person and YOU

nta but I cannot imagine being such a hylic that you believe in souls but think your soul is somehow tied to your physical sex. Like it's basic bitch shit to realize that a soul might not align with the body.

lets start taking a zero tolerance approach to spirohons desu

A cis woman who looks like a man is still considered a woman.
A trans woman who looks like a man is not considered a woman.

Sit down and think about why this difference exists.
This is the fundamental reason why trans women cannot become women.

If both are considered women, then why does one side have to keep trying to imitate, while the other does not need to do anything particular at all?
No one ever says-

Here are two kinds of chickens, one kind needs to keep imitating a chicken, the other is like, you know, just a chicken.

I grew tits and have softer skin that makes me female

anything I couldn't change, like my whole reproductive system? mere trifles

stop pretending like you care about infertile women. All you care about is feeding your "I'm totes a female guise" delusion. You will never be a woman.

Like it's basic bitch shit to realize that a soul might not align with the body.

It's not basic.
It couldn't even be proved.

but think your soul is somehow tied to your physical sex

If your soul isn't tied to your physical sex, you will be okay in whatever body.

A cis woman who looks like a man is still considered a woman.

Anon says this when dykes keep getting beaten up by people who think they're trannies when they try to use the bathroom.

Forget your flag?

It couldn't even be proved.

Welcome to souls, it's all individual gnosis.

You will be okay in whatever body

What a dumb way to read my post. No, the idea is that a soul can be 'female' or at least align with feminine energy, but still end up in a male body, since that shit is all deterministic biology that doesn't care about metaphysics.

So infertile women are men after all?

Lack the ability to give birth?
Well, guess you are still a woman.
Have a penis?
Well.......
And look like a man?
Well.............................
Also sound like a man?
Well......................................................

How many things are you trannies lacking anyway

I've had my flag on the whole time. That's the fun part for me because I'm better feminized than these reddit troons arguing they are literally female.

No, the idea is that a soul can be 'female' or at least align with feminine energy, but still end up in a male body

Doesnt even explain gays or feminine males

What makes you think being gay is innately feminine? That reads like some Christian brainrot trying to understand why dudes can like dicks.

You are missing the point.

If a a soul can be 'female' or at least align with feminine energy, but still end up in a male body, aka a female soul being wrongly assigned to a male body,

How do *feminine* gays or feminine males exist?

Because if we can assume that there are alignments then we can assume that there is a spectrum between the alignments. How much red is in that purple? Obviously someone who wants to transition is way more filled up with feminine energy than a gay guy who might occasionally flop his wrist.

severely sick with something (covid? flu?)

dangerously high fever, never been this sick before, getting really worried

call an ambulance to take me to the ER

get wheeled into triage because I'm too weak to walk

nurse looks up my info in the system

she starts bitching at me to explain why I'm trans

also accuses me of being a drug addict

I can barely stay conscious at this point let alone figure out WTF her problem is or respond coherently

she walks over to me and starts shouting

threatens that if I don't "cooperate" then she'll try different drugs until I "sober up"

tells me I'll die sitting in that hallway, walks away

as soon as she's around the corner, I muster all my strength to get up and escape

find my way into a janitor's closet (?)

call a friend who lived nearby to rescue me from the hospital

I think I pass out at this point

vaguely remember a janitor helping me walk outside and sitting me on a bench while my friend drove the car up

friend takes me home and nurses me back to health

Notes:
1. no I'm not fucking my friend
2. the janitor who helped me was hot though

because being gay is about wanting to be fucked
thats innately feminine you retard

I changed my biological sex

You are totally missing the point. Let's assume there is gender in the soul/persona.

Hypothesis/Case 1: An *ULTRA* female/feminine soul was assigned to a male body. This is a wrong assignment, aka Transwoman.

Hypothesis/Case 2: An *ULTRA* female/feminine soul was assigned to a male body. This is a correct assignment, aka feminine gays/males.

Hypotheses 1 and 2 can't both be right, because they contradict and disprove each other.
(I added ULTRA because you were concerned with spectrum and can't seem to understand the point at all.)

if you gotta ask to be referred to as a woman then you're not a woman

You're having reading troubles. I told you that the souls of mere feminine gays are not as feminine as those of transsexuals.

But what if in this hypothetical...

No. Someone who is fine with having a male body is not as femininely aligned as someone who cannot happen. Your hypothetical is like asking "What if this red was more blue than blue?", gincel.

Sounds like you could sue the shit out of that hospital.

mere feminine gays are not as feminine as those of transsexuals

.........

I think you should be locked in a box with no food or water for a few months. If you're a real biological living human you shouldn't need external help continuing to be one.

baffling response

So you think cis women with birth defects are men or no? Funny how you still keep deflecting.

The souls, which are the subject you brought up.

I changed my biological sex

literally impossible but sure whatever

anon is almost ready to grasp the concept of a gradient

One thing I'm glad to lack is a developmental disability.

He asked a question
You deflected and insulted him

Convincing retort

goddamn all the debatelords in this thread are embarrassing, everyone knows exactly what's meant by biological sex, it's the shit they're attempting to transition away from

Cis women aka female women are female. Funny how you can't say the same for trans women.

I'm a poorfag, unforch. Side-tangent but shit like that is why I don't trust unions, they make it so much harder for shitty people to get ousted from positions where they can abuse their power.

Maybe if you take your vitamins and stay in school, some day you'll be artificially induced into gaining enough intelligence to understand what this means.
So generally I'd expect anyone old enough to be on this website to understand how rhetorical questions work, but this...

The more male traits someone has, the harder it is to say that they're a woman, and this is deeply upsetting to me for some reason! I demand a black and white definition, and don't you dare make me explain the cases where that logically requires me to agree with absurd conclusions!

... is not actually a question.

How many things are you trannies lacking anyway

... is not actually a question.

Holy retardness

It's already agreed that they generally lack gonads and a uterus. And so we come back to the actual question: Are infertile cis women actually men, or is the ability to get pregnant strictly necessary for someone to be a woman?

Gender ideology is fundamentally opposed to the existence of biology. I’m glad the pendulum has swung against this retardation, and trans people are only digging themselves deeper into their own graves by doubling down on this bullshit.
Women have quite literally never accepted males as being able to become them; lesbians and gay men are gladly laughing at your demise.

Anon A: Does lacking one thing (e.g.uterus) make a woman a man?

Anon B: Just one? Probably not. But how many things is a tranny missing compared to a cis woman?

Do you now understand the arguments these two people are making? Anon B already answered Anon A. Stop being a holy retard. Think for one second.

they've been like that for 100 years. All of their weird prudishness and masochism started in the victorian period. Fuck the UK. It's like an entire island of people who literally hate anything fun.

how many things is a tranny missing compared to a cis woman?

This has already been repeated ad nauseam. They're lacking internal reproductive organs.
The question of whether it's possible for someone who lacks internal female reproductive organs to be a woman if they're female in all other relevant aspects still hasn't been given a consistent answer by the anti-trans side.