for anyone who is legitimately 40+, what do you think of the future of trans rights?
you definitely remember the 2000s, probably the 90s, with gay rights and everything going on.
is it different now with trans rights? is our trajectory gonna be similar? or is it more deliberately vitriolic from the opposing side?
I have a question for the old farts here
People said it was going to be hell for trans people when Trump was President in 2016, it didn't happen, and it's not happening now.
The worse it gets, the better it will become. There will be a pendulum swing, but only if these conservatives actually put their back into the oppression. This is nothing.
"The most marginalized trans people are going to be hurt by this slashing of funding." That means nothing. This is hardly oppression. If this is the best they can do, then I am not impressed.
nobody gave a fuck about trannies at any time before the mid 2010s
trannies already HAD rights, they were accepted as a weird but okay thing that men could become
this was at the same time that gays were reviled and feared everywhere
a remarkable achievement - to turn widespread indifference into active hostility across the whole english speaking world
trannies got trump re-elected never forget that
Transgender people became a contentious political topic after Republicans discovered their value as a scapegoat in 2016. The amount of vitriol about trans people was negligible before then. Tumblr gendies were/are annoying, but the Republicans are the ones blasting their propaganda trumpets about it.
this is such a lot of projection
the left pushed trannies as the next big social change after 2013 when they got gay marriage
the orgs needed to justify their existence
republicans took a long time to react to that, took them until the 2020s to say tranny stuff was bullshit
Really because I remember conservatives hating us in the 90s.
took them until the 2020s to say tranny stuff was bullshit
No, they were pushing bathroom bills in 2016 already, for instance
cnn.com
NTA btw
they didn't you retard
there were trannies on the daytime talk shows, nobody hated them, they were too exotic
you won't find any conservatives hating trannies back then because there was no tranny movement and being a tranny wasn't a left wing thing at all
Yea we should really do a better job covering the detransition/rape camp situation in Florida and Texas. What you say is what normies think but it's just untrue
1. that bill was a reaction to trannies writing bills to force themselves into bathrooms in liberal cities like charlotte
2. after that bill was passed there was a huge reaction and every liberal state boycotted NC, and the state backed down, there wasn't any concerted any tranny action until the 2020s
there were trannies on the daytime talk shows, nobody hated them, they were too exotic
the talk shows also had literal sisterfuckers on people weren't tolerating them either
there was no tranny movement
transsexual menace disagrees with you here bucko
there was a tranny movement then, I knew about it, it organized on the nascent internet and via crossdresser / gay magazines.
being a tranny wasn't a left wing thing at all
back in the day when generally only """HSTS""" transitioned it still definitely was, it was part of pride
rape camp
got sources on this or is it just "trannies in prison genpop"
the talk shows also had literal sisterfuckers on people weren't tolerating them either
nobody hated trannies even when gays were fucking reviled. if you think trannies are "more left wing" than gays it's funny how trannies got a sympathetic ear on television when gays didn't.
there was a tranny movement then
more precisely there was a transvestite/cross dresser political movement and a transsexual political movement, but they were separate and they weren't part of the left or part of gay rights. they were transsexuals and transvestites doing their own things. very different from the left forcing trannies down everyone's throats post 2014
Right but regardless of how justified you think it was, the point is that Republicans and right wing media have been on an anti trans campaign for at least 9 years at this point. It's wrong to say this only started in the 2020s.
nobody hated trannies even when gays were fucking reviled.
no, they did
transphobic humour was much more common than it is now, like the "trap" meme was very well known except it usually ended with "and then I beat the shit out of HIM"
it's funny how trannies got a sympathetic ear on television when gays didn't.
Parading someone on TV as a freak is not giving them "sympathetic ears," nona.
but they were separate and they weren't part of the left or part of gay rights.
No, they were part of gay rights since Gay Liberation in the 70s.
got sources on this or is it just "trannies in prison genpop"
You got it, that's how it works.
Republicans and right wing media have been on an anti trans campaign for at least 9 years at this point. It's wrong to say this only started in the 2020s.
all the most insane woke tranny shit HAPPENED under Trump's first term.
social conservatives were ignored until the most senior republicans (who are all fucking left wing liberals btw) started noticing the whole population was pissed off at all the woke shit and going anti woke might get them some votes.
there is no right wing media whatever in the US, it's all owned by left wing jews
i was literally working with the tiny remnant of actual right wing online media at that time and they were shut out of everything except twitter.
Most of the old trans people on this board, if there are enough to even say "most", are lateshits who probably didn't come out any earlier than you did. And people with such a severe lack of ability to introspect are probably going to be pretty shit at accurately assessing societal change over time.
If you want good insight, you need to find real trans elders, but those who survived growing up trans back in the day tend to be stealth now, so it can be difficult.
all the most insane woke tranny shit HAPPENED under Trump's first term.
Like? All I ever hear about is trans women in women's sports, which yeah I guess is bad, but it's not insane.
most senior republicans (who are all fucking left wing liberals btw)
lol
there is no right wing media whatever in the US, it's all owned by left wing jews
Yeah here's where we'll disagree, I guess. Even the most left-wing media, like MSNBC, is happy to regurgitate right wing talking points like "Is Biden's fiery rhetoric responsible for getting Trump shot? Do you have anything to say for yourself, Mr. President?"
Whereas right wing media straight up lies about things like the Dominion voting systems rigging the election against Trump. And CNN is there in the middle (actually far left jews too I guess).
i was literally working with the tiny remnant of actual right wing online media at that time and they were shut out of everything except twitter.
Online media is more powerful than legacy cabel news media at this point.
cabel
cable
Like
Hundreds of child gender clinics going up
Social media like Twitter, Facebook, Reddit enforcing tranny ideology and banning gender critical feminists and conservatives
Every public figure who disagreed with tranny-ism everywhere however mildly getting cancelled and fired
Every corporation and university and the fucking MILITARY enforcing tranny orthodoxy on employees and rewriting language
Even science journals recanted basic biological knowledge to toe the line
Literal tranny terrorism with trans antifa threatening anyone conservative - like Milo's college tour
Trannies in sports happened as a result of Obama's Dear Colleagues letter which Trump ignored btw
The late 2010s to early 2020s was a really oppressive time, you couldn't speak your mind without fear.
tranny optics went straight downhill as soon as normalfags found out about transbians
banning gender critical feminists
Banning man hating radfems is based
the only thing troons and terfs can agree on is hating normal men
Conservatives reserve the right to harass anyone they don't like and any moderation that prevents them from harassing people is 'Censorship and Oppression'. They'll distort any message to fit their worldview until their enemies are Satan Incarnate (or worse).
Nothing happened in the 2010s other than gay marriage being protected by law. "Speaking your mind" and "censorship" is a problem with social media. Literally take it up with the billionaires. The leftists have no skin in that game.
In the 2010s the so-called TERF ISLAND started sending the bobbies round to question people who made anti trans posts on social media
The whole "cancel culture" thing became prominent in that period
Tech united to protect trannies on every level in that period
it doesn't matter if all your political speech is squashed by leftist billionaires, it's just the free market in action chuddies
t. a leftist
i hope trump fucking censors you into oblivion
That is a problem with institutional corruption and citizen surveillance. Trans people were not the root cause of government interference in social media.
yeah, they were actually
trannies turned themselves into the jews of online censorship
reddit, twitter, wikipedia, facebook were or still are controlled by a tranny cabal who set all the community standards
same with easily influenced leftist qangos controlling the cops in the uk
trannies infiltrated all these orgs and got them to do their bidding to shut down everyone who didn't buy the girldick and transing kids lines.
The most important factor in acceptance is familiarity. Statistically, people who are exposed to black people (through media, friends, coworkers, acquaintances, etc) are way less likely to be racist, for example. Same goes for trans people. Ironically, by turning transness into a spectacle of a culture war, the right is only causing more people to become aware of trans people, which causes more people to transition, to make content online, to exist as coworkers, etc.
That is what will affect what people think of trans people in the long term. Negative media portrayals definitely harm us to a degree, but at the end of the day, you can't force a mass cultural shift. The trans-hate bubble will burst, so to speak. On a macro level, trans acceptance and normalization is inevitable, even if it takes a long time.
Statistically, people who are exposed to black people (through media, friends, coworkers, acquaintances, etc) are way less likely to be racist, for example.
... are you sure about that
seems to me that the more people see of blacks and trannies the less they like them
in order for people to like you you have to actually be likeable
These problems were caused by leftist billionaires...
I'm going to support conservative billionaires whom I acknowledge will do the same thing!
You have no desire for a solution -- only the means to enact revenge. Yet, the group you want to punish is not the leftist billionaires, but the entirely distinct group of leftists. I harbor no ill-will toward you. I just pity the world that your ilk are the bulk of it.
trannies, as an entire group, acting together in concert, did this.
see
Trans people were not the root cause of government interference in social media.
No, this was what the tech billionaires demanded at the time and it was their official policy.
also this, pretty much all of reddit is a tranny occupation govt
en.wikipedia.org
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
You can talk about your anecdotes all day, it doesn't change the numbers
social (((science)))
not even once
anything that challenges my worldview is jewish
cowardly herd mentality
why are left wing jews pushing anti-trans ideology so hard everywhere now?
authoritarianism.
"Real" exposure to alternative viewpoints leads to better social cohesion. Getting exposed to black people and trans people through the caricatures we see online is NOT the same thing.
Speculation about the causes of moderation changes in tech companies is a waste of time. They are private companies. Sure, a "tranny cabal" exists and it controls all of the tech companies. Whatever. What now? Do we arrest the "tranny cabal" members and set them on fire? Your analysis is just unactionable assertions. However, if you want to talk about harmful cults, I suggest we do something about Jehova's Witnesses. They continue to ruin lives to this day. Maybe we can round them up and put ribbons on their arms. What color do you suggest?
everyone in the south who lives next to blacks hates them.
They are private companies. Sure, a "tranny cabal" exists and it controls all of the tech companies. Whatever. What now?
it's actionable: have a total ban on employing trannies in tech since they always form cabals to ban people.
Alright, but we have to have a ban for the group enforcing that ban, and then a ban for the group enforcing that ban, and then a...
This doesn't go anywhere. This is just a misdirection. The problem is the unchecked power that tech companies have over public speech. That's why we're here, after all. We like (mostly) unmoderated speech.
there's no true public space on the internet
there's always private companies running the cables, doing the banking, running the ISPs, doing the DNS and the DDOS protection and the rest of the layers
unless all of that shit is both nationalized and treated like a human right there will be private companies in charge of what you can say
so banning trannies from them looks more practical than that
everyone in the south who lives next to blacks hates them.
Again, you can yap about your anecdotes all you want, it doesn't change the numbers
In that case, we are fighting for different purposes. I will fight for the public ownership of public infrastructure. If you wish to contest me, then do not call yourself a freedom fighter.
how many black people do you live around?
literally how is that going to work?
you'd need nationalized EVERYTHING to have a nationalized internet.
why are left wing jews pushing anti-trans ideology so hard everywhere now?
In the 2010's, the jews started pushing tranny agenda to distract people from the occupy movement. They're now pushing anti-trans agenda to keep their attention away for a while longer.
My anecdotes matter just as little as yours do. But for the record, I live in a southern town with a slight majority black population (just over 50% iirc)
Just checked to confirm, it's actually 35% white 42% black
force themselves into bathrooms
Did you mean: "trans people were already using the bathrooms they wanted to be in, and were seeking legal protection for it"? There was no forcing going on.