If trannies simply acknowledged that they are feminine men rather than women, they would gain acceptance...

i really don’t care what you think, you can do whatever you want !
problem CHUD?

You don't have a problem with chuds.

You're on a board full of insane, genocidal racists and drew the line at someone pointing out that you're male lmao

LMAOOOO, get 'em!

t. bisexual tranny loving black dude who only browses this board because of his bimbo fetish

im racist but i like bbc

call me whatever you want, i wont cry about it bc i know precisely what i am and i dont need anyone to ""enlighten"" me. i wont cater to my haters just to get some fake acceptance.

Moids are rapists and actively endanger me and all other trans women. Being forced into their spaces is a death sentence. I have absolutely nothing in common with you aside from how I was forced to live until the second I could free myself, and retarded faggots like you are the reason I was forced to be that way. Being relegated to being one of you or some kind of third gender invalidates everything that has happened to me and worsens my quality of life significantly.

I understand the terf perspective ideologically why you want trans to not call themselves women/female.

But why do they need to stop taking hrt?
What is wrong with that?

The idea that we would be accepted if we just "accepted" that we were the way they decided we are is just an excuse to further erase us from public life and destroy both our spaces and the ones we find comfort and safety in. They hate us, and you are stupid if you think appeasing them would make our lives easier.

Moids are rapists and actively endanger me and all other trans women.

I don't know if you know this, but to women and society at large, you're a "moid" too

HRT, GRS, and bimbomaxxing are just body modification. Cosmetic at best. Regardless of what label or pronouns you use, you're still moving through the world in a male body.

they would gain acceptance, even from TERFS.

You are a naïve retard if you believe this. They say this because they, in typical woman fashion, are attempting to conceal their true motives. If this was the narrative taken by trannies, the TERF would accordingly switch to "feminine males are doing woman face and trivializing our struggle". The fundamental dogma of Radial Feminism is: "men BAD!", all theory they have written exists solely to justify and conceal this imperative. If the tranny did not exist, the TERF would invent it.

ah yes terfs famously hate gender nonconforming people - despite quite literally advocating for them and often being gnc themselves
you are retarded + ywnbaw + take that labrys flag off your fucking posts male

ah yes terfs famously hate gender nonconforming people

Yes, they do. They hate drag queens and femboys.

But why do they need to stop taking hrt?

it's self harm and deprives people of full sexual enjoyment of their bodies and drives
trans women are so swept away by man-hating rhetoric they never stopped to value themselves
taking hrt means you think there's a wrong way to be male or female, and that certain people aren't allowed to be that way

I have been on estrogen since I was 16 and have been living as a woman for the past 4 years. Nobody questions me, bothers me about it, and it feels entirely natural. I have nothing in common with "maleness" aside from a collection of bad memories and scars.

I still openly announce myself as trans when meeting new people I know I am safe around, and hang out in our spaces partially because I am a neurotic retard, but also because going full stealth feels wrong and I feel obligated to tell people I date I am a trans woman beforehand. I understand that being able to do that makes me very fortunate, so I do what I can to openly live as one to humanize us. Only when I make it apperant I am trans do I have my femaleness questioned.

You literally have one telling you she does not want you to be on estrogen and GNC even if you conceded being trans, but I suppose it does take being retarded to buy into this rhetoric so I forgive you for being stupid.

deprives people of full sexual enjoyment

Why do you think you know this when you don't know what it's like to be on hrt

deprives people of full sexual enjoyment

its ok if you dont know that bc how could you ever know but not knowing anything about it and speaking about it nothing else but an embarassment

because man = penits, penetration
woman = vaginer, wombhaved

this is basic terf rhetoric, silly.
Also very funny of them to claim we transition for a sexual fetish while at the same time supposedly saying we shouldn't because it doesn't allow us to live out our sex lives to the fullest extent.

it's self harm and deprives people of full sexual enjoyment of their bodies and drives

trans women are so swept away by man-hating rhetoric they never stopped to value themselves

taking hrt means you think there's a wrong way to be male or female, and that certain people aren't allowed to be that way

I'll be honest with you senpai, as a bi guy I sometimes think about becoming more androgynous or even hyperfeminine to broaden my sexual appeal.I'd even consider certain kinds of plastic surgery but I'd basically be like a real life Dr. Mrs. The Monarch with my deep voice. If I knew I could look like pic related or Bailey Jay with an otherwise completely functional male body, I'd probably go for it.

It's unrealistic and poison for my professional life, however. Also, I draw the line at taking female hormones because I don't want to nuke my libido or lose muscle.

A male body is a male body. We know it nukes your sex drive and eventually fucks up your bones.

i mean it messes up your bones if you have bad dosing, so does like menopause doe

Trans woman means feminine male, though. What is the problem? It almost seems as though you're looking for a problem by making one up.

agp retard thinks he is an authority on transitioning because he thought about fulfilling his sissy fetish

I think you think of us as less legitimate because you are conflating your own thoughts with those of a tranny who genuinely experiences dysphoria.

HRT does not "nuke" your sex drive, it temporarily reduces it drastically (if you arent hondosed) and eventually your body adjusts. You very literally feel arousal in a different way, but are still definitely capable of feeling it. Are we massive perverts or does hrt make us infertile and asexual, which is it?

Also HRT does not fuck up your bones either. Women just have less dense bones than men.

If you take hrt you are not ok with being feminine as a male.

If it's so important for women to have a turbo sex drive why don't they all just take testosterone?

Why is this in any way true unless you believe that HRT makes you more aligned with being a female?

I think you think of us as less legitimate because you are conflating your own thoughts with those of a tranny who genuinely experiences dysphoria.

I was one of those boys who was called feminine or whatever when I was a kid. The other guys in my peer group saw me as cringe.

It's all equally illegitimate to me. You and I are different temperamentally, but we're responding to the same culturally acceptable misandry.

Even if I bimbomaxxed the way I was talking about I WOULDN'T be a woman. That's the appeal and the point. I'd just be a svelte man with a cosmetically enhanced body. As such, I would rather have that stereotypically male "turbo sex drive" as you call it.

hrt numbs your genitals
if you think using your dick as a man on other men is wrong, you are not ok being a feminine male

How? HRT makes males more feminine.

superficially, and suggests being male inside or just acting male isn't good enough

I normally hate to actually lend credit to blanchardist nonsense but if there was a genuine, honest to god autogynephile, it would be you. I absolutely detest everything about you and you disgust me to my core, congratulations. I pray that you are some kind of weird repper and rope at some point, but you are more than likely a cismoid if you are capable of acting like this. Do not touch the trans community or anything related to us with a ten foot pole, retards like you who can't convince of anything nonsexually need to be put down like rabid dogs.

Why can't it be in addition to feminine behaviour?

Again no it does not, it changes how you feel arousal. Men and women feel arousal differently. The drop in libido is temporary, thats why transbians are able to be freaks.

Why the fuck do you care so much about what men do with their genitals, anyway? First time I've seen this argument, its like the female equivalent to moids who get angry FTMs deny them their bodies.

Superficially

Complete override of the endocrine system means nothing

Transwomen = Feminine men. (not women)

Transmen = Masculine women. (not men)

simple as

Why can't feminine behavior exist without hrt in males?

Whatever, bro.
Misandrist homophobia is at the root of the societal fear of MtFs. Deny it all you want, but FtMs don't get nearly the same vitriol. Even if you "pass" you're still a failed male to society once you disclose your status/origin, regardless of how polite people are.

Do not touch the trans community or anything related to us with a ten foot pole, retards like you who can't convince of anything nonsexually need to be put down like rabid dogs.

Hyperbole much? Besides, I'm not trans and don't claim to be. I'm just a spicy bisexual

you will never be accepted as that. You will remain detested by society and the 41% will remain at that level
OR

Misandrist homophobia is at the root of gender transition in all mtfs
Deny it all you want

This is why thai ladyboys and toms are accepted
But trans women rape cis women? So you make them feel unsafe? It is not fair desu

trans lesbians don't exist

It is kinda true that you try to mimic women while being hateful against them. Girlies don't like it

ok I have sex with other men but we are both castrated and we call it lesbian not gay sex so its not as bad please don't be offended female overlords

No we don't, and there is no evidence that we do at any statistically higher rate. There however, is plenty of evidence of the phenomenon of V-Coding, where it is highly likely for trans women forced into men's spaces to be sexually assaulted, more than any other group.

Drag queens and femboys are cosplaying as women. James charles is feminine and does not cosplay as a woman, there is a difference

No trannies outside of this shithole actually detest cis women. We do however detest terfs who want us dead.

trans women worship women and hate men

Why do you think you have anything in common with women either? You don't share their struggles

james charles is literally a pedophile
probably nooot the example you want to use to somehow own da troonz

I personally like women because I think they are beautiful and moids are disgusting, but that has nothing to do with my transness, moreso just the way I've been treated my entire life by you, and the way I see you talk about us on here.

accusing gays of being pedophiles is harmful

it's literally what causes you thinking you have to castrate yourself, you are a fool blinded by rage directed only at yourself and not the people who actually wronged you (women)

I very much do as most of transphobia is rooted deeply in misogyny (trans women not being "real women", expected to both conform to standards of femininity and shamed as fetishists for doing so, being harassed for existing as so called failed or weak and effeminate men, seen as subhuman for not being breeders)

I have infinitely more in common than I do with cismoid faggots.

If "cosplaying as a woman" is bad then they do not accept gender nonconformity, as that is gender non conformity. If there is an "acceptable set of ways to be noncomformant" then that is just an arbitrary set of gender norms, but the whole premise of TERFism is that they sre against this

trans people don't accept gender non conformity at all, look at how they talk about non binaries

notice misandry

label it misogyny

trans women are hated for being male, not for being women

My hatred stems from how you treated me pre and early transition whenever I tried to express myself and was met with immense misogyny. My hatred for you is a reaction, not a catalyst, and my dysphoria predates me even knowing what feminism is.

i'm not accusing The Gays of being pedophiles
james charles, one individual human being who happens to be homosexual, sent nudes to teenagers

It is textbook misogyny, you are retarded. Transmisogyny is unique in that it is both dual pronged, containing elements of both misandry and misogyny, however it is still primarily aimed at devaluing us as women due to the fact that we don't live up to the standards of patriarchy (we aren't breeders). Misandry only comes into play to further undermine our womanhood and in reality has nothing to do with any actual maleness, that's why traditionally masculine traits that are seen as desirable on men like a strong jaw or body hair are detested on trans women and used to delegitimize us.

you were not met with "misogyny" for trying to express femininity as a MALE

being hated for being a male who is feminine

being hated for being a male

textbook misogyny

trans women aren't hated for being women anon
they are hated for stepping outside the narrow confines of maleness

sent nudes to teenagers

1. bullshit
2. teenagers can be 18+ that's kinda weasely wording

I am not a male, that is the point. It is misogyny because it is used to question my womanhood. Mysoginy isn't specific gendered, either, it and misandry are determined by what traits are being detested and who is being targeted, effeminate men can be targets of misogyny for being not many enough, and masculine women can be targets of misandry for not allowing moids to claim ownership over them.

maybe you just don't look female

no one says "teenager" to mean 18 and 19 year olds and it's not bullshit lmfao look it up

No matter how much you copy their language you will never be a woman

im not going to look it up you are smearing people based on nothing

oh but there's this youtube video

smearing famous gays as pedos is a lazy attack used frequently by conservatives to dehumanize gays

it's a lie.
i have a counteradvice for rightoids. you're gambling with an assumption there won't be such a backlash that your ideology will be wiped out of existence, and the assumption is wrong.

You are half correct, which is why I said transmisogyny is dual pronged. We are both hated for undermining the patriarchy by forsaking our "maleness", and for failing to live up to its standards of femininity. You can very clearly see this in how transphobic rhetoric against MTFs and FTMs typically operates.

For MTFs, it is described either as men wishing to hold power over women, or men seeking out some sort of sexual fetish. This is because in our deeply patriarchal culture and way of life, being male is seen as superior, and that in combination with cissexist assumptions of gender being determined simply by birth make it seem irrational for MTFs to give up their male privelege by transitioning, so it is assumed there is some sort of other motive. The misogyny comes from our inability to produce children in a heterosexual relationship, and our often refusal to conform to standards imposed upon women or to submit ourselves to men. We are "not real women" to them in the sense that we don't fulfill the function expected of a woman in society

For FTMs meanwhile, it is assumed to be natural for a woman to want to be a man, because maleness is seen as superior to femaleness. They are often infantalized and described as poor poor victims, and rhetoric for why they should not transition is aimed at "mutilation" of the breasts and genitals, and the denial of that to males. They are similarly seen as not real men for the exact same reasons we are, they throw off the shackles of cissexism and patriarchy and refuse to conform which poses an existential threat to it.

here's a great example of it, really.

it's self harm

I disagree

deprives people of full sexual enjoyment

but so does not having sex. Do you think having sex is an imperative?

taking hrt means you think there's a wrong way to be male or female

No, it means you appreciate the changes the hornones would cause on your body

and that certain people aren't allowed to be that way

but YOU are the one saying this by insisting that people shouldn't take HRT tacitly implying that "the right way of being a feminine man is by not taking HRT"

hrt numbs your genitals

Presuming this as true, so what? If a person is ok with this, why are you insisting on the imperative that not only they have some obligation to have sex, but must enjoy it in an specific way?

if you think using your dick as a man on other men is wrong

Literally no one has said this ever. This is an universal ethical claim while at most people taking HRT are making personal preference claims. Saying "As a man I don't want to use my dick on other men" is not claiming it's wrong to do that, it's stating a preference. But besides, why would a feminine man be homosexual? This is just stereotyping again.
Who said otherwise? The anon didn't say "you have to take HRT to be a feminine male", they said "what if I want to be a feminine male taking HRT?"
Fundamentally, You are not talking with the people speaking to you, you are talking with the strawman you have built in your head. You do not at all understand the position of the people you are arguing against
I have never met a trans person outside of this website that was against non binary people. This website is full of edgelords and what people say here is not representative of anything

Who would ever want the approval of those miserable harpies? TERFs ideology is more hateful and regressive then your typical pol nazi