Are you a transmedicalist?

do you believe that a male having gender dysphoria MAKES him into a woman, or that HRT MAKES him into a woman. Or that males with gender dysphoria who choose to transition should be treated as if they were women

No, you need to actually transition to be trans tho so hrt minimum. Don’t think having some cisoid subjecting you to a humiliation ritual for 5 yrs and then rewarding you with 0.25mg of premarin and maybe finasteride as an aa as hrt or a poondose for the boys is a good idea, doctors are mostly fucking retards

I became transmed bc I think if the barriers to hrt were much higher I prob would have repped

NTA, but
Doesn't matter too much
You're creating a transwoman with HRT or without it, at best

if transmedicalist means trans=dysphoria then ya, but largely i try to live and let live when i can. its really clear that no matter how you slice it, the pricks in power are going to do whatever they can to make our lives as miserable as possible. if every single tranny was a prim and proper binary masculine/feminine with a full suite of surgeries and went to church every day and every single transbian/gayden dissapeared from the planet, the world would still hate us deeply, for what we intrinsically are. if you call yourself trans then you should be ACTIVELY transitioning towards the other gender, but thats just my opinion. most of the time hardline transmedicalists do a lot more harm than good, and only really exist so that meangirls can have someone to point and laugh at for not being trutrans enough.

people with gender dysphoria who choose to transition and put effort into that transition should be treated as their desired gender. don't really care about the philosophy part of what makes a woman or whatever, if it's a or b that makes you a woman or whatever

Very much so.
Watching the activists cause a fuss in our name while never actually arguing for the things we need is getting beyond tiresome. Being a political football means getting kicked by both sides and I'm over it.

And anyone who has medically transitioned knows with absolute certainty that Gender Theory (the idea that sex and gender are distinct concepts and that gender is a purely social construct) is retarded. Feeling my body change, feeling the way I see the world change, feeling the way I experience emotions change.

Estrogen = woman
Testosterone = man

Anything outside of that is bullshit.

Women are not "estrogen"
Older women are not "not women"

Adult AFaB = Woman

Yeah, it just means I have a very unfortunate medical condition that I need to fix with hrt and surgeries to function

estrogen dominane: woman
testosterone dominance: man
i'm not one for gatekeeping HRT, but if you want to consider yourself trans you NEED to have dysphoria and be medically transitioning.

Chuddy, you're wrong.
Complete Androgen Immunity Sydrome with result in Assigned Female at Birth.

Older women are still estrogen dominant, they just have less of everything.
The same is true of older men, they're still testosterone dominant, they just have less of everything.

y'know I actually am for gatekeeping HRT just a little bit.
I've seen the difference between the DIYers and the trannies who got proper medical supervision. So I'm less for deregulating estrogen and more for better trained doctors and more of them.

And it gets really funky with Pais since you can fall on either side of the line just depending on the genetic lottery.

is there really a difference? many of the good results i've seen are DIYers, and there's way less likelyhood of a hondose with DIY

nonbinary people, pronoun discourse and the whole "gender=/=pronouns" PLUS the term "trans umbrella" is the reason trans people dont get taken serious anymore. because their "transition" begins and ends with changing their instagram and twitter bio by adding a /they to it, just to delete it like a year later and start saying they are detrains now. yea..........

And then there's polycystic ovarian syndrome which will result in a cishon who might be experiencing gender dysphoria even tho AFAB and identifies as a woman.

Transmedicalism to me just isn't subject for debate. If you want to cut your hair short and get a tattoo, then you can go do that, nobody has an issue there.
But binary trans and intersex have our own needs and struggles and from I can see they're mostly being ignored by people who really want to help but really don't know how.

way less likelyhood of a hondose

That comes down to doctor training.
Because yeah it's a problem.
There are "trans-friendly" doctors, and that's great! But really all doctors should be trans-friendly.
And then there are doctors who are trained and qualified to get the best results for transwomen by managing all of their medical needs and making appropriate referrals in a timely manner.

The activist think the former is the big issue.
Actually the latter is the much bigger problem.

I used to be, I still think it's kinda weird (not cringe) to identify as like bungender but I realized most people doing this were young and probably just exploring themselves. Trans rights are under attack everywhere and it doesn't matter if your local trans community is a "respectable" kind. Someone who identifies as star gender is at least an ally who might resist me being brutally executed by Trump's gestapo

Its not really a debate, I just think its a lot more amorphous than hard set diagnostic criteria allows. I have pais. I am on E&P. I got the tiny tits, I got some hips, and an annoying squeaky voice. At the same time that I like being more fem, I also think of myself as a man. I am not sure where that places me - on pure medical nature I would be a tranny probably, yet I don't see myself that way.

Are you a transmed?

No

Why aren't you?

Because I dont define my womanhood with medication, perscriptions, etc. My womanhood is strongly rooted in social/non-medical aspects (growing my hair, shaving, moisterizing, voice training) more-so hormones, which I decided to stop recently.

I don't want to stress over medical shit, I just want to be a woman.

Are you a transmedicalist?

I guess, in that the definition of a trans person is someone who has gender dysphoria and for whom transition is the best treatment. There are people who transition without dysphoria, and those with dysphoria who don't, but they end up unhappy in the end.
But there are things I dislike about transmedicalists, like the fact that they often suck up to conservatives and TERFs, the fact that many people exaggerate what dysphoria they have to fit in for fear of being called a fake, and that they insist that there must be a male and female brain structure that causes gender dysphoria (when it's inconclusive either way). They are too focused on pleasing their in-group by reaffirming those beliefs and castigating the out-group (tucutes, trenders, non-dysphoric fetishists), even though they're pretty much right about everything.

I would probably fit under the definition

If you're PAIS then you're intersex. That's what the I in LGBTQI+ is.
I was saying this to someone the other day at TDoV, I doesn't even know that they're I or that we've got a seat at the table for them already.
Meanwhile the people who have co-opted the label to mean "AFAB with short hair and tattoos" are kinda taking up oxygen that we need for other stuff.

like the fact that they often suck up to conservatives and TERFs,

So I've got big beef with you on this one. Communism isn't a symptom of gender dysphoria. Transphobia, homophobia, and misogyny ARE symptoms of Gender Dysphoria. Conservatives get sick too and you complaining about gatekeeping while clearly trying to restrict access to gender affirming care to people you suspect of wrongthink makes me want you to fuck off.

the fact that many people exaggerate what dysphoria they have to fit in for fear of being called a fake,

There's no exaggeration sweety. When you look, objectively, at what the lives of transwomen are like before and after, you can see the devastation this causes.

and that they insist that there must be a male and female brain structure that causes gender dysphoria (when it's inconclusive either way).

There is literally nothing inconclusive about it. At this point there are that many studies proving the existence of trannybrain that to take an opposing position makes you either dishonest or stupid.

They are too focused on pleasing their in-group by reaffirming those beliefs and castigating the out-group (tucutes, trenders, non-dysphoric fetishists), even though they're pretty much right about everything.

All caps for this one, and if you don't get it through your skull this time I'll emboss it on a cricket bat and smack you in the face with it until you get the message.

PEER SUPPORT GROUPS ARE PART OF GENDER AFFIRMING CARE.
Transwomen and transmen have a shared burden and we benefit ENOURMOUSLY from contact with our own.

You need to respect that.

Are you a transmedicalist?

No.

And if you aren't, why aren't you?

I'm not a tranny and I'm not a doctor, so it's not really my problem. People can do what they want.

Are you a transmedicalist?

Nope. Radqueer

what does transmedicalism mean to you?

Arbitrary bullying and gatekeeping based mostly on vibes and internalized transphobia

And if you aren't, why aren't you

It's not the default. But I generally see identity as self expression to be asserted and not a gauntlet of shit tests that cis people would never be subjected to. It's not going to win over phones because most hatred of trans people is plain old sexism and lookism

phones

*phobes

So I've got big beef with you on this one. Communism isn't a symptom of gender dysphoria. Transphobia, homophobia, and misogyny ARE symptoms of Gender Dysphoria. Conservatives get sick too and you complaining about gatekeeping while clearly trying to restrict access to gender affirming care to people you suspect of wrongthink makes me want you to fuck off.

Me clearly trying to restrict access to gender affirming care? To whom? What? How did you get that?
I dislike them sucking up to TERFs and conservatives because those people are the ones that try to restrict gender affirming care. It's hypocritical. Just because it owns tucutes doesn't mean it helps real dysphoric trans people.

There's no exaggeration sweety.

There are people with mild dysphoria who exaggerate their own dysphoria for acceptance because they don't want to be called trenders.

PEER SUPPORT GROUPS ARE PART OF GENDER AFFIRMING CARE.

That's fair, my bad.

To whom? What? How did you get that?

Conservatives.
The alt-right to tranny pipeline is at full flow and you're sitting there pretending like we're have to be on your side to be valid.
You're the hypocrite.
Transgenderism is not political. It's medical. If you have gender dysphoria, you need treatment.

who exaggerate their own dysphoria for acceptance

Because they're in rooms full of cissoids and trenders. Transwomen know our own. If I sense you even MIGHT be trans, I'm going to help you explore that feeling because I know what it's like to not know what's bothering you.

In the meantime I don't think they are exaggerating. Gender Dysphoria is hell on earth. But you don't realize how much pain you were in until it's gone. And when it's gone and you realize just how sick you really were it's natural to want to talk about that.

That's fair, my bad.

Thankyou.

The alt-right to tranny pipeline is at full flow and you're sitting there pretending like we're have to be on your side to be valid.

Again, where did you get this? I'm not saying you can't be trans and conservative. What I'm against is pandering to groups like Gays Against Groomers, fearmongering about transition as mutilation, and allying with people who call trans people pedophiles. I don't even care whether any particular trans person is valid, it's just my opinion that allying with transphobes is a shitty thing to do.

And in my opinion a lot of those people are actually repressed transwomen.
The rest are just misguided and marginalized.

Regardless the solution is compassion. To show that we have heard their concerns and have taken appropriate steps, and to validate their feelings while making it clear that we need access to medical care, and to show the evidence that Gender Affirming Care works.

And I can give you a great example of where you're not helping. There is no evidence GNrH blockers reduce dysphoria in children. Not short term and definitely not long term. Maybe they do, but it has not been proven. What they absolutely definitely do is reduce the size of the penis which rules out penile inversion vaginoplasty, generally considered the best and least risky SRS option.

But try making that case to someone wearing a "protect trans kids" t-shirt. Can't be done, because they've got no concept of dysphoria, all they understand is that they're on the right side of history and everyone who disagrees with them is evil.

So what medicalization does is take it OUT of politics and turns it in a scientific question where we can actually prove which answer is the correct one. With that done we can then go to the conservatives and say "listen, we know this is all a bit weird, but if you look at the evidence you'll see what we're saying is we are actually women and just want to live normal lives as women."

I'm not familiar with the medical literature, but it's self-evident to any trans person who went through their natal puberty that it was traumatic and it would have prevented dysphoria to have been able to go through the puberty we should hsve gone through. There should of course be studies into it, and into the safety of puberty blockers (which seems sketchier than just using cross sex hormones).
But regardless, I would still argue in favor of hormone therapy being available to minors who want it and can get a diagnosis, because I would have wanted it and it would have prevented suffering for me. It's for the same reason someone would want to keep their gun and oppose restrictions to gun ownership, even without evidence to show it reduces crime, because they as an individual want to be able to defend themselves. It's inherently political at that point - there's no way around it. The difference being that the 2nd Amendment covers gun ownership, but there's no such right for pursuing medical treatment as a minor (minors can't even get vaccines if their parents are against it, which I honestly think is terrible).

it would have prevented suffering for me

You don't know that. All you know is that your teenage years sucked hairy dog balls.

What has been shown to work is therapy and social affirmation (eg being able to dress in the girls uniform go by their preferred name and pronouns). And if you ponder that you can pretty easily see how we might be falling into the trap of lookism - that we're justifying GNrH blockers because, in theory, transgirls who recieve them before puberty will look prettier than those who don't.

but 1. That's not actually true. Hunter Shaefer is a midshit. Andreja Pejic was a lateshit. Carmen Carerra is a very lateshit.
and 2. Just because you're on GNrH blockers doesn't mean you're not going to get bullied and harassed at school or get humiliated by shithouse teachers and stuff.

And that's the crux of the issue here. When we talk about gender affirming care for kids we SHOULD be talking about what reduces dysphoria, we should NOT be talking about what produces the hottest trannies.