/mmg/ - Manmoder general

crazy how this is the only thread on the board not filled with 17 year olds

That is the correct definition, even if fakemoders and reppers get confused.

that's accurate, but lots of people get that wrong because they are either told or believe they failed to transition successfully or are detransitioning for other reasons or they're too scared or feel like they're not good enough to put effort into honmoding or even trying to pass

maybe it's a temporary thing to some people, a stepping stone or a failure condition or just a fallback, but to me it was the desination because it's been about defining and becoming myself on my own terms (which with my circumstances and preferences lands me as a "gender" dysphoric he/him amab on hrt)

so i went to my exam without studying and without showering and without shaving on two hours of sleep and no water or food for 48 hours and drug withdrawals and three days late on my injection fuck my stupid retarded manmoder chungus life. i look cute-ish rn though so whatever

I'm wake up from a nap still ugly, still masculine, still depressed. It's over.

mogs me

dail pain

tfw you have the passoid fever dream again and wake up male male male

ive never had this
i think my soul knows the reality of it all

i wish my soul could accept maleness like yours

Idk how anybody does this. I wish I could at least just convince myself I look fine. I can't even look at myself.

its not really that good

Just looksmaxx its not that hard

why did i troon with these measurements. i had ABNORMALLY SMALL hips for a MALE. even with +3 inches from 2 years of hrt I AM STILL IN THE MALE RANGE. ALL BECAUSE I WAS RAPED AT 18 and WENT INSANE FOR THREE YEARS LOSING MY HIP GROWTH WINDOW. BUT I CAME OUT WHEN I WAS 11 AND I COULD HAVE AVOIDED IT ALL IF I DIDNT HAVE ABUSIVE PARENTS WHO REPEATEDLY FORCED ME TO REPRESS AMONG OTHER THINGS. I WAS SO CLOSE AND MY REWARD FOR SURVIVING ALL THIS HORROR IS TO BE A MAN FOREVER UNTIL MY LAST CHROMOSOME DECOMPOSES. god is dead

Were your parents actually abusive or just didn’t give you hrt at 11 ?

actually abusive. my father hit my mother a few times and it was generally a scary environment for me to live in. also not giving a child who comes out multiple times hrt is abuse

Yikes, domestic violence is a traumatizing environment to grow up in. srry that happened

im going to pray until i cant see straight and pass out on my bed

Prayer is nice, its kind of like journaling but in your head

so true

The ftm at my sons school said he liked my hair and gave me a genuine smile. It made me feel nice, and was really needed rn.
Yeah I need to get back into this mindset. That's what I've been doing for the majority of my transition. Just focusing on getting hotter. I have road bumps though where i just feel extremely ugly and overly masc. When my confidence is down, so is everything about me. Need to get my confidence back and get back on track with gym, diet, overall healthy routine I had going.

implying not giving your trans kid hrt at 11 isn't abuse.

also not giving a child who comes out multiple times hrt is abuse

true
I'm probably not ever going to forgive my parents for that but I wonder sometimes if I can or should

it depends on if they deserve it

I just malefailed getting my oil changed. Maybe it's not so bad.

It isn’t abusive.

It's extreme abuse.

Idk, i was verbally and physically abused from a young age up until 16 and my best friend was raped by her dad from pre-k to like age 12
Not giving your child hormomes of the opposite sex isn’t the same thing or even close to what abuse victims endure…..
….
Yeah it isn’t nice to deny your kid medications that they want and probably need, but in my HUMBLE opinion age 11 is too young to diagnose sex dysphoria, as most of the changes from puberty havent even started yet
Can i ask why you find an issue with this? -_-

dunno i only got to start hrt when i moved out at 20 and i was sexually abused as a kid and tbhon i think if i had started hrt around the time i was raped id be fine now

denying life saving medication isnt abusive

if it was any other disease you wouldnt say this

Srry that happened, you are really strong for surviving all that- a lot of SA victims don’t make it that far
Hm…. i think starting earlier is always better, especially for MTF’s. don’t beat yourself up about not starting earlier

Life-saving is kind of a reach, lol. Hrt for sure enhances quality of life similar to SSRI’s or OCD meds. but i don’t think anyone has died from not taking HRT- if i am wrong please let me know

but i don’t think anyone has died from not taking HRT

does suicide not exist? like what tranny reaches 18 without an attempt

I was physically and emotionally abused by my dad my whole child and teenage life. I was raped by a cousin over a decade older than me when I was I'm preschool. And sexually abused by another in elementary. I know what fucking abuse is, trust me bitch.

probably need

No, actually need. Trans people need hrt. Simple as. Dysphoria doesn't start with puberty, it's enhanced by it. I know because I had dysphoria before I started puberty. It's literally life saving medicine, and it's better to start early. Denying your kid that is abuse.
You can't be serious? People rope all the time for this exact reason, not to mention the trans people who rope because they started late and can't handle the features puberty or adulthood gave them.

Oh. well um i have never tried to kill myself.. i wonder how many in this thread have actually attempted desuu

unironically kill yourself

i have, but a guy saw me trying to climb the railing and talked me down.

<3 <3 <3
Sorry i think my intent is not being reflected in my choice of words
Sorry that happened to you <\3

probably need

By this i meant that its hard to diagnose sex dysphoria until puberty starts… like “probably” is just to signify that some kids that want hrt at that age grow out of it while others do not is all i meant

I am happy you’re still here, it is weird how you can know people for years who just add misery to your life but a total STRANGER can do more of a positive impact
The world works very weirdly lol

nta but ehh you're pushing it a little to say it's always abuse. it can be complicated, parents may think they know best when they don't sometimes, they may be worrying about what if the kid is wrong and this ruins my child's life, they may have misconceptions about what being trans means and want to save their kid from it.
i know intent only matters so much, but in this case i just see a lot of ways it could happen non-abusively. my mom instead of helping me get on hormones talked me into keeping it a secret in fear that the rest of the family would reject me as a freak. she was wrong and i wish she hadn't done that, but i don't consider that abuse. she was genuinely worried about my future and well being if i started hrt

you were emotionally abused by your mother even if you dont realize it. + neglect (parents not bothering to do any research on hrt or understand your perspective like responsible people) can have similar consequences to abuse even if it isnt as dramatic. the brain of a child can be traumatized by anything

terf

Maybe i am confusing abuse with assault. yeah i guess it is abusive to some extent. although the one ftm detransitioner i know would disagree…. it’s different for MTF’s though right

Confident mentally healthy individual

Life-saving is kind of a reach

good thing all the medical and scientific experts disagree with you in the face of decades of studies and clinical experience suggesting it is VERY much life-saving

why do idiots like you seem to be drawn here? this is not "gender critical general"

hurrr it didn't happen to me therefore it's not real

typical
you're all the fucking same, every fucking time

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where do you think these numbers come from? do you think trannies kill themselves as a fun pastime?

in mmg?????

oh it's you! haha of course it's you, why am I even surprised

could you imagine being the kind of person that leverages their own history of abuse to troll sad retards on Anon Babble. i cant

I guess this just what the general is now, anti-trans bait, really boring

therefore it's not real

I literally asked “i wonder if anyone else in the thread has attempted”, so exacrly how am i saying its not real ?
Find evidence to support that statistic and then i will entertain it
Who am i trolling?

I really wanna end it all to escape the pain of being a man, or it least just go back to repping and go really hard at it this time. But somehow I wound up getting a beautiful passoid gf-albeit severely mentally ill (actually diagnosed by professionals with DID, BPD, and some others). Over the year and a half we've been together I've come to care for her deeply. She's my whole world and I can't do something that would hurt her. She does her best to reassure me and support me through all the dysphoria and hopelessness but at the end of the day we both know I'll be stuck as a man forever. I'm not sure what to do. I've visited her but we're still long distance until I can move out to her state around January/February. I don't wanna hurt her but I just cannot go on living in this body.

iktf

Find evidence to support that statistic

nope you'll just say you don't like that

Your mother should have been more accepting, open and more knowledgeable of lgbt people. Same with my parents. It's so easy to figure out what trans is, and what to do with trans kids.
True non trans detransitioners should be helped and I feel for them. But they are significantly lower percentage of the trans population compared to those who hrt benifits extremely. And ultimately they chose to transition, the trans kids with parents not allowing them to transition simply ask for the same chance. And should be allowed it.

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There is no evidence that 41% of transexuals OR gender dysphoric individuals attempt or commit suicide, i have looked for it before..

i was abused by my mother and by my father as well, and systematically neglected in a way i would consider abusive. i know what that felt like.
my mom's reaction to me wanting to start hrt wasn't abuse. it was fear and concern and love for me, mixed with an ignorant mistake. she was supportive at a direct level she just scared me out of it with talk about other peoples' reactions. if i'd pushed harder it might have changed the outcome
there is a way of reacting that is abusive and happens in more phobic households, but i think parents denying hrt is often a fuzzy situation like that and not just a flat "no you can't"

you didn't look for it because it's literally right there if you type it into google, don't pretend

It's so easy to figure out what trans is, and what to do with trans kids

bear in mind i had this conversation with her in 2012. it was a bit different then. not as much awareness.
if i was 14 again in 2024 and came out to her now she'd book me an hrt appointment on the spot lol

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/
transhealthproject.org/resources/medical-organization-statements/
hrc.org/resources/get-the-facts-on-gender-affirming-care
wow that was so hard, really just "asking questions" a lot lately aren't you? lol

if your dysphoria is anything as bad as mine, i genuinely don t see how you could live with it long term desu

you were abused and are trying to cope with abuse by pretending it didn’t happen which is fair i guess but be fr. how do you isolate your mother manipulating you into being closeted (for her social benefit) from the pattern of abuse you suffered at her hands the entire time?

This is just the abstract from the first google result but already the “evidence” is shoddy- it is a self reported statistic, relative to the sample pool.

omg
don't you ever get tired of larping as one of the good ones
you are following the exact same script as a Anon Babble tourist or a "gender-critical" """ally""" lol nobody buys it

show me evidence

no you'll just say you don't like it

gets shown evidence

doesn't like it or agree with it

good thing your opinion isn't worth shit

You’re supposed to control for height when you compare these measurements, dumbass

Why does having an opinion that doesn’t align with a pamphlet from HRC mean i am trying to be “one of the good ones” ?
The statistic for 41% originates from a 7,000 person self-reported study. so parroting it as if it’s a fact is incorrect, that is just me being objective

it’s a ratio retard

No it just means you now have the downsides of being a tranny with none of the upsides

waiting until the damage is already done to diagnose a fear of the damage

Wow genius plan, doctor octopus

how do you isolate your mother manipulating you into being closeted (for her social benefit) from the pattern of abuse you suffered at her hands the entire time?

well you're reading a motivation there i don't think was present for one. my mom wasn't trying to stop me she was worried about me. she showed me pictures on facebook of some friend she had who took hrt and then semi-detransed to a theyamab and was like "well if you just want to be more feminine look at this, maybe you don't need hrt?" she was fine with me being a freak, her worries were about permanent changes to my body and about other family losing their shit if i asked to be called by a girl's name.
she also wasn't abusive for my whole childhood. i had a really rough early childhood with her in basically a trap house, but by this time she'd been clean for years, i was living with my dad and seeing her on summers, she was carrying a lot of guilt about past things and basically uber supportive all the time to compensate. my mom was the safe parent at this point when this conversation happened. so that's mainly why it feels so distinct from the abuse i went through with her earlier in life, or elsewise from my dad

don't lol it's bait stop replying

Hate to break it to you but most trannies don’t attempt ever

self-reported evidence in surveys isn't real evidence and can't be used for anything

STOP THE PRESSES! QUICKLY WE HAVE TO BACK AND TELL ALL THE SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS THAT THEY WERE WRONG BECAUSE A TERF DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THAT COUNTS!

i still think youre coping but i guess it’s not my place to say. god bless you and please stop doing abuse comparisons to minimize other people’s feelings.

yeah about 60% of them, the "41%" thing is lifetime attempts (but of course if you really want you can just arbitrarily decide that groups of people are lying, a lot like blanchard, and throw out or massage that data based on that assumption)

7000 people

unless there were substantial issues with sample selection bias this is actually an unusually good size for a statistical study. most population studies and surveys use a much smaller group and still get accurate data
also if it's just stretching your credulity because it seems too much, do remember the statistic includes attempts. i attempted pretrans and survived, so i'm part of the 41% technically lol

i think they surveyed yougshits in a liberal area so that 41% is probably higher actually desu
gd is very severe and pretty impossible to live with

please stop doing abuse comparisons to minimize other people’s feelings

wtf??
i was not doing that and don't appreciate that implication. i was literally just saying "parents denying a kid hrt is not categorically always an act of abuse"
and i am ALSO an abuse survivor not just talking at survivors from an unknowing perspective

I am not a feminist and i love trans women, passable or not- part of why i am against transitioning children who haven’t started puberty yet
And no, self-reported evidence alludes to a mental health crisis in the trans community. but if you are framiliar with research you’d understand that “41” is an arbitrary number
Yes a lot of trannies are suicidal. i was for years
But if yoh are going to make such a huge deal about objectivity and citing evidence, dont be hypocritical

i attempted pretrans and survived, so i'm part of the 41% technically lol

same, kinda fucked up to be told my life experience and that of others even in empirically and scientifially consistent ways that corroborate the reality and observations aren't real by someone who just thinks because they got lucky that others can't be experiencing something worse

same kind of person who might, ohhh I don't know, say that minorities aren't at higher risk of violence and discrimination and that you shouldn't care about them (or might actively defend gatekeeping trans people who are just fetishists based on criteria he can't define but insists is self-evident)

you have been doing that this entire thread

if you are framiliar with research you’d understand that “41” is an arbitrary number

what do you even think you're trying to say? you're trying way too hard again and it comes across that you're not even putting any thought into what you're saying, just being a "skeptic" or "contrarian" by denying reality and attacking your peers

I'd say do better but I think we both know you can't :)

i said it so it's true

i did NOT do what you're saying but w/e okay then i guess this is no longer a conversation :p

parents denying a kid hrt is not categorically always an act of abuse

lol

another stupid argument with chudette like clockwork
this is basically what this thread is nowadays, he gets wasted drunk high and wakes up looking for trouble

what do you even think you're trying to say?

I am trying to say that while a lot of trannies are suicidal, it is not factual to state that “forty one percent of transgender individuals have attempted suicide”
It isn’t factual, because i can’t find any concrete evidence to support the statistic
Statistics like this are good indicators, but they are not facts.

go away

what's the actual problem with that single study or the many others corroborating it? be specific about what's wrong or what differs from the standards of evidence used for medicine in comparable fields, otherwise you're just parroting the Cass report's ideological double standards

why aren't surveys and self-report good evidence? what is the alternative, and how do you collect that?

should i buy vodka tomorrow? that's when i get money

I didn't look for trouble, some retard just started spouting weird anti-reality anti-scientific anti-trans shit here again

no u

anyway, even if you can get over the 41% thing that doesn't change the overwhelming and long-established concrete evidence for the fact that gender-affirming care saves lives because untreated gender dysphoria makes you statisically and clinically significantly more likely to an hero

idk i just wish something was different. i wish i could be happy. i wish my life didnt end as a preteen and i wish that whenever i desperately attempted to survive i wasnt immediately punished by a dangerous world that i cant understand. i wish i was never born

Sorry, i don’t know what the CASS report even is
I’d think (i am ignorant so i dont know for sure) that in medicine they would take statistics from clinical research. the self reported statistic doesn’t account for the sample group, the demographics (age, socioeconomic shit, etc) of the sample group either….
Like i said they are good indicators but not factual
Maybe that is a bit spergy of me but i like facts to be concrete

how to collect

I have no clue how it would be accurately collected, which is part of why i have an issue with people parroting stuff like this as if its factual

The ratio is useless in a vacuum, if you have broad shoulders and the raw number are small for your height, a good ratio still won’t make you pass. You ALWAYS use height as the control when comparing.

suck my sweaty balls

ok? i have fine upper body measurements (feminine, bordering on androgynous) and a horrible waist:hip which prevents me from passing. who are you teaching? stop acting male

I agree that hrt is life saving medication the same as SSRI’s or OCD
Can’t even begin to fathom how miserable i would be if i didn’t have access to it either

Anybody wanna makeout? I'm serious

omg lol
stop trying to play word games, you clearly lack the capacity and can't actually articulate what you think is wrong... you just keep repeating that self report or survey is not "factual" but can't explain what you mean by that or even present some kind of process or logical error or issue that would lead you to question the results - maybe consider NOT posting your "hot takes" or whatever until you can actually fucking substantiate them?

you know else does this? whines about something based on vibes while attempting to tear down every piece of evidence handed to them in an ideologically self-inconsistent ways? people who need to deny reality to push their anti-trans agendas: TERFs, r*ghtoids, and bl*nchardists

i wish i could love someone
or at least get some friendly human touch

I am male, if I don’t mansplain to you, you’ll continue to use this as an excuse not to fix your mental. Stop posting shitty misleading charts.

hmm, hot

ASL?

are you retarded?

would if i weren't shit

i mean just read the posts i wrote about it before that, i listed several ways this could play out and gave a real anecdotal example of a case where it wasn't.
it's abuse to believe your kid is genuine in their desire to transition and try to crush it out of them instead of providing hrt. it's abuse to try to gaslight them out of those feelings or to take active steps to make sure they can't take hrt. and it's abuse to mistreat them for it, obviously
to be a parent who is uninformed about trans things and pushes against hrt out of a worry for their child's well-being, that is CLEARLY NOT abuse. it's a mistake, a huge one, it deserves an apology later, but it's not an act of abuse.
the internet has stretched the idea of what constitutes abuse to such a breaking point. everybody has a victim complex about everything that's ever happened to them now

wowwww! the TERF moves on to victim-blaming AND defending the abusers! classic

can't explain what you mean by that

It isn’t factual because a self reported survery of 7000 people is not representative of a global population of transgendered people
Can’t we just agree that a lot of trannies are suicidal and HRT prevents that and is good? why do you have to be “right”?

The ratio you’re fixating on is irrelevant without the context of other factors, which were entirely omitted from the chart.

do you have actual brain damage?

33,kindacuteandrogynousfaggotthing,MN usa.

a small man with male ratios is still a man. is that impossible for you to conceive?

please please please stop, slow down, and READ and actually THINK before you reply

Every time i make a point you just call me dumb or insult me- either explain why what i said is incorrect or get the fuck out of my dms bitch

youre literally being so obtuse you dont understand how statistics work and you refuse to look it up and just say ridiculous things how do you expect her to respond

dude i'm not a terf if you paid any attention to this chain of replies i thought it was clear that i'm an mtf on hrt.
but look, it is not abuse not to know. it is not abuse not to go do extensive research after

kid brings thing up once

conversation seems to change their mind

they don't bring it up again

especially not if they don't realize how serious and important this stuff can be (which if they don't know much about trannies, they won't)
abuse isn't anything that doesn't work out perfectly for you (and everyone involved was the abuser), and in fact that mentality is one actual abusers often hold and cudgel their victims with. more importantly tho it's just baby asf.
if you had actual abuse in your own life relating to parents denying hrt then i'm sorry that happened, but that's also not the same as what i'm talking about. your experience isn't universal.
and if you don't and this just struck too close to home, then lowkey you're being a baby and should grow up and take a little responsibility :p

bitch this is a public forum
I don't have to "be right" because it wasn't MY claim, I was getting into it with you over challenging well-established facts and going off on unrelated tangents that both have nothing to do with even defining let alone supporting the basis for your challenge and echo the exact same rhetorical schoolyard bully illogic being used by anti-trans activists and pushed in real courtrooms to pass real laws that make the lives of real people worse - all while displaying a fundamental lack of understanding of medicine, science, and statistics or their applications and use in the real world

in short, you fucking suck and are so DESPERATE to be a contrarian that you are behaving like a subhuman tourist including by repeating (verbatim) or defending the most common anti-trans talking points

abuse isn't anything that doesn't work out perfectly for you

nobody claimed that but definitionally, even if you just didn't know better, denying your kid treatment for a problem that could cost them their livfe and reduces their quality of life is abuse - honestly not sure why that's controversial in any way whatosever unless you're specifically making the argument that kids shouldn't be put on hormones using some very bad faith "logic"

sex with post ffs manmoders

sex with your putrefying corpse still covered in grave dirt

giwtwm

I looked it up! i mostly understand how statistics work, is why i understand that they can be inaccurate. what about what i said was ridiculous or incorrect? i’d like to know

pls help me
why are you ignoring me

Life-saving is kind of a reach, lol. Hrt for sure enhances quality of life similar to SSRI’s or OCD meds. but i don’t think anyone has died from not taking HRT- if i am wrong please let me know

it's like you can't even remember what you yourself said

i'll soon have enough for cheap ffs :3

as if that would save you, you fucking ork

bogged durian arc

I’m stuck here in the looney bin with all the freaks!!!

bonk

I'll be so fucking hot when I get ffs. Like seriously, it's over for these bitches at that point. I'll never be able to afford it though.
Good shit. I debate shit ffs sometimes. Could definitely get a loan for that I think. But I want one of the good ones.

Omg
By “life saving” i meant like a physical condition where you can die just by not being on medication
Like cancer or diabetes or a tetanus shot

post hole
why are you so mean?
also fucking use your name you coward

abhor the namefag

denying your kid treatment for a problem that could cost them their livfe and reduces their quality of life is abuse

my point is that parents don't always know what a big deal it is, and if the kid doesn't make that clear enough (especially if they only bring it up once and take a no as a defeat until 18 like i did) then the parent also has no reason to go do research about it.
abuse also comes out of ignorance, but an ignorant reaction is not always an abusive one.
cases like my mom are rarer now -- like i said, in 2024 if i was 14 again she'd get me on the hormones -- but even with trannies everywhere in the zeitgeist i would put money down that it does still happen. people, especially older people, aren't always paying attention. some of my relatives who barely tune into the news or use the internet probably wouldn't even know trans people exist if they didn't know me

victim blaming continues

you're fucking disgusting

digits and durian gets murdered by immigrants/hatecrimed/ropes

Don’t worry, you are being rational- you are definitely not wrong. thank you for being objective, it is nice to see in this thread

sex with post ffs durian

he's being purely subjective and WORD FOR WORD repeating terf rhetoric, don't defend that shit lol

dubs and durian will be a passoid after ffs

denying hrt isnt abuse because uhhh when i went through it i didnt think it was abusive. also here’s my 10000 word essay on why YOU didnt experience abuse and should just get over it or stop complaining

murder suicide with post ffs chudette

dubs and durian will rope after ffs

You in the St. Paul area or what?

This thread sucks! I didn't actually think it'd be the last mmg when I made it:(

same shit when he was defending blanchoid logic and telling us to stop worrying about minorities and trans peopel under trump, liek I'm telling you it's the same shit as "libertarians" with their I-got-mine attitude, it's not even just callous or indifferent it's actually cruel because it's built on assuming others are lying or inferior based purely on your own experience (but he won't ever challenge himself to consider that and instead defaults to whatever affirms his biases, which is very typical of this kind of person)

honestly shocked I haven't seen him throw out a "pull yourself up by your bootstraps"

okay i will also say, abuse did still play a role.
if my dad had reacted the way my mom did it might have encouraged me to push again with both of them. but i was afraid of my dad and never even told him, so without my mom's help i gave up and tried to get it covertly through my therapist (who was no help)
but like, if i had been single parented by my mom or something, and a little less willful, i can see a scenario where her reaction might still have stopped me from getting on hrt, which makes me see the likelihood of that scenario playing out.
the blame goes more on circumstances. missing information, miscommunication, misaligned timing. not necessarily the kid's fault or the parent's in such cases, sometimes just an unfortunate occurrence. you can't blame a parent for literally just lacking a piece of crucial knowledge they never had a chance to acquire.
although sometimes, yk, people don't try hard enough. my later transition was a bit my fault, i could have pushed my mom harder. i own that and so should anyone else who had a similar circumstance. it's not victim-blaming to tell people to take ownership of the role they played in their own lives, or the role circumstances played, without leaping to blame a villain at every opportunity
and again i am not denying REAL abuse. it's just not always abuse

More near Minneapolis. But yes:) are you here too?

You just said you have a feminine torso, and you mentioned nothing about the ratio of your biacromial breadth to your hip breadth, so no I don’t really believe you when you say you you’re doomed based on having a flat ass, sorry.

rolling
dubs and i'll rope before ffs and haunt larry

why are you all being so hostile and uncharitably misreading everything i say
is this just one bitter person or are you all this fucked in the head from manmode self-trauma that you can't see anything outside the lens of abuser-victim dynamics??

Isn’t this basically just butch lesbian sex?

leaping to blame a villain

right well I don't think anyone was doing that
defining child abuse, even if it's out of ignorance, is not leaping to blame a villain - getting defensive about calling it out as child abuse, however, is what someone who specifically wanted to instead blame the child for not communicating or knowing their needs better and insist the parent has no fault or responsibility does (ie, victim blaming)

you have the shittiest takes bro shut the fuck up terf racist blanchoid anti-scientist whatever hyperbolic label makes you angriest

so abused you were too scared to ask twice for something you desperately needed

the end result is you post insane shit to troll sad girlfailures on Anon Babble

you were abused and your life sucks as a result and no amount of denial will cover the very obvious fact that youre a victim of intense manipulation and gaslighting (+ all the physical abuse) even down to the way you think

Are you friends with a girl named Kim by any chance?

fuck I don't know maybe I should be less harsh if that's what this is rooted in, he's obviously projecting his copes onto others - that's like a therapy breakthrough moment right here

Nigga that anon is NOT ME, you are fighting with multiple people you idiot
Why are you obsessed with me jesus

is it just one person

Yes and he is probably drunk and or high and he does this every single day- just made bee cry yesterday i think

when he was defending blanchoid logic and telling us to stop worrying about minorities and trans peopel under trump

wait hang on i didn't fully read this before replying but what
i think you're thinking i am someone else
i am a tranny i come here occasionally because i am a tomboy who presents masc-ish and kind of curious to the idea of well-adjusted manmode
whoever you're referring to saying these things isn't me i don't like trump or blanch dressing
see above

biacromial breadth to your hip breadth

impossible to measure accurately without calipers. have a shoulder circumference buttock circumference chart instead

>is it just one person

Yes and he is probably drunk and or high and he does this every single day- just made bee cry yesterday i think

o dang okay. well i hope he has a better day tomorrow then.
good to know tho thanks, i feel less dogpiled knowing that lol

I don’t support trump or ray blanchards work either- but he thinks i do so therefore it must be factual

No I'm not. Really just starting recently trying to make trans friends. But who knows, maybe I've talked with them on grindr before.

kek
somehow every gen has that guy it's like a universal constant

ok then my bad, same tier of shitty take and the namefag won't namefag consistently so I mistook the two veins of discussion for the same poster - child abuse is still abuse even if you don't know it at the time (because that isn't attributing malevolence or not)

it's literally not just me lol I'm just tilted at this retard because he's going hard on the "sort by controversial" type posts lately

how do i stop looking like joey ramone

How do i stop looking hot sexy and fly

and all the moders say im pretty fly for a white guy

I don’t support trump or ray blanchards work either

unironically no, of course you don't! you just tell people off for asking or suggesting that things got worse under trump for trans people and other minorities and will or already are again, and parrot the same logic blanchard used in gatekeeping trans people and defending his pre-defined conclusions by fraud

but it's a lot funnier to run with that since you're so shitty about your lukewarm takes, trump-supporting blanchardist :)

rolling

Rolling for big hot muscle chick who loves to makeout naked.

rolling

things got worse for trans people under trump

I’d argue the social climate has gotten much worse for trans people since 2020

parrot the same logic

Nigga i don’t believe in the hsts or agp dichotomy and never have

defending his pre-definded conclusions

Which? i dont remember ever doing this

rolling for anybody who will accept me as i am

molesting fakemoders (consensually)

i don't wanna be buried
in a man sematary
i don't want to 'mode my life againnn

yay!
i'll rope before ffs but would've pass if i got it instead of being dead

Rolling
I do except you;)

you're doing the thing where you don't read or address what sommeone else said, again

yea you except me. as in anybody except me is acceptable. GOD PLEASE LET ME GET MARRIED IM BEGGING PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEEEEEE

you will still haunt me it seems

Bud this is kind of frustrating… how!? I responded to every single point that you made. which sentance did i not read or addresss? wtf you are so frustrating D;

Lmao I'm dumb sorry. I accept you!<3

child abuse is still abuse even if you don't know it at the time (because that isn't attributing malevolence or not)

by now i feel like you are willfully misconstruing my point but i'll try to re-explain one more time because you're still responding to something i didn't say.
yes, abuse is abuse whether it's recognized immediately or later.
yes, neglect is abuse.
but no, it is not abuse by neglect to be uninformed about something that could potentially better your child's life. just like it wouldn't be abuse for a parent with no knowledge of dental care to buy their kid charcoal toothpaste instead of fluoridated, or how it isn't abuse for parents in remote uncontacted tribes not to get modern medicine for their kids. or heck, just by statistics there are trannies born in those tribes sometimes. trannies who will never know of or access hrt, whose parents will never know it could be offered to them, who will miss an opportunity in their lives because of that. very similar. but also very obviously not parental abuse.
if those examples don't make you get it idk what else to say

it is not abuse by neglect to be uninformed about something that could potentially better your child's life

even when that thing can potentially kill them? you're being disingenuous and making false comparisons, not cool

lol
literally no u, >bud

you communicate like a rightoid and it fucking sucks

I don’t have a political party i affiliate myself with, they all suck

and you just did it again... lol... let me guess you're a registered "Independent" and think that's the same as Unafilliated

can i ask why you chose to bring this up when somebody vented about being abused and denied hrt access? and why do you keep continuing

even when that thing can potentially kill them?

yes. it's not like the parent knows that. if i turn left instead of right on my drive home but on the right side there was someone bleeding out a couple blocks down whose life i would have saved, did i murder them by turning left not knowing that?
or back to uncontacted tribes and modern medicine. the stakes are life and death there. do those parents commit abuse by letting their children die of treatable illnesses, when they don't know cures exist?

you're being disingenuous and making false comparisons

how are these false comparisons? the situational layout is the same

parent could save or help child if they knew X, but they don't know X so they don't

seems you just don't have a real response to it

right? isn't that... I mean, idk, at least kinda sus? like literally the same "just asking questions" style of challenge to anything in support of trans people that you see detroon grifters and christian "scientists" go on record repeating in court

I know I assume the worst and lash out based on those presumptions given even a shred of indicative evidence here in a really over the top way as my default behavior but you at least see where I'm coming from

so you're only interested in semantics and word games? I see
well good news: you can go look up to see if medical and childcare experts, citing studies and clinical experience, agree that it's a form of child abuse in all the ways that matter and contribute to defining label

can i ask why you chose to bring this up when somebody vented about being abused and denied hrt access?

i started replying in the middle of an ongoing conversation. i was just replying to "denying your kid hrt is always abuse"

and why do you keep continuing

because somebody jumped down my throat claiming i was saying a bunch of stuff i wasn't and being really ornery at me, and it got on my nerves lol

you continue to not read the words or ideas i put in front of you and argue at a straw man
i give up, you're hopeless

"sort by controversial" type posts

i let this slide before but now you've earned it
go back

I am canadian, i am not registered as anything. in the next election i am thinking of voting green (canada has four or five major parties i believe)

i appreciate you
maybe learn how to shut up?

I feel like chuddy and Murphy fight posts should be labeled at this point.

go back

sorry, no, you don't get to no u me calling you reddit without me literally just going

no u

faggot

Yeah sorry i am going to try and stop engaging. its just that literally every thing i say he criticizes or spergs out about
The obsession is real …. hard not to respond to slander but i will try for the sake of the thread

please vote strategically for whoever will beat the conservative in your district even if it means voting for your garbage liberal party. poilievre is going to finish the hit job on the canadian healthcare system i fear

hello girl what are we doing tonight

maybe stop spouting your shitty takes about how HRT isn't actually life-saving and you just "disagree" with the standards for evidence in medicine and science and I'll stop insulting you, you racist blanchist terfist retard :)

will anything happen if i go to the gym as a manmoder

blasting cigs with >30 yo manmoders

maybe learn how to shut up?

wow wow wow abuse much
but no sorry i lost that ability when i transitioned from shy boy to insufferable bitch

>go back

sorry, no, you don't get to no u me calling you reddit without me literally just going

>no u

faggot

sorry, no, you don't get to no u me calling me faggot calling me no u calling you reddit without me literally just going

no u

faggot

im stupid is that younger or older than
i assume older but i never actually learned how that works

Oh he is going to win for sure just due to all the country-wide hate for trudeau. if the libs wanted a chance at winning they would appoint a new leader (idk how this process works)
..
My strategy is that if more people start voting green (especially young ppl) it will show up in the statistics, and people will start taking the green party more seriously

do i look better with a shaved head?
i am the only true manmoder btw

I honestly have no idea how it works up there, but here in the good ol' US of A our third parties won't ever amount to shit until we dump the winner-takes-all two-party shit for universal ranked choice voting at every level of government

unironically yes

the bigger number goes on the open side
the smaller number goes on the pointy side

I gotta work, but I just got this girls number and disc that's also looking for friends, so gonna see how the conversation is tonight.

wow wow wow abuse much

that’s actually not funny and i’d like you to stop even if you have fun antagonizing chudette

You'll get into shape and be hotter than you are now. Go to the gym!
Cigs are gross. But we can hang out if you promise to smoke outside.

that was my strategy with greens and libs in the US but i have grown jaded about third party survivability in first-past-the-post voting systems. i've come to feel like third party and independent advocates need to clump together and call as a unit for ranked voting systems, then go back to niche-ing once it's made viable
then again i know it's a bit different in canada and the uk with how competitive your ridings and their MP constituencies are, the fact that people show up for third parties keeps them influential. so idk maybe you should vote green to keep it from turning into how it is here :')
i just don't want to see the conservatives back in office wrecking shit and probably being all buddy buddy with trump and his oil agenda too

actually ur wrong its funny because i have been shut up abusively many times
it's daaaaark humor ooOOOoooOo you just lacked the context
now it's so funny, because i explained it, which always makes jokes funnier

taking a fat estroshit rn

..so, older than 30 right?

You very clearly know more about how politics work than i do, idk how any of this shit works haha
A conservative leadership will make things harder for people living on social assistance which sucks
Idk
I feel like the addiction / homelessness problem has soared under the liberals and i am curious how a different party would handle it

third party and independent advocates need to clump together and call as a unit for ranked voting systems

agreed, and this starts at the local level, usually by working together with people in your community who are disproportionately at risk or undeserserved by the two-party establishment to create more spaces in which the idea is being pushed up the chain in parallel to state reps who can be swayed to introduce and vote on larger-scale overhaul to voting systems

if I had more motivation and wasn't such a cringelord hehimhon I'd be considering running or directing some kind of platform to facilitate that and guarantee sanctuary state rights for trannies in the event the night of long rope comes (or to prevent it)

Go to the gym!

but i dont want to im retarded and scared of people and dont even know what to do there

I get scared going in too. I've actually not been going the past couple days cause I'm too scared with my new hair. But after the first time it gets significantly easier to go each time. Just start off simple with some treadmill. Then when you get more comfortable you can look up a couple exercises that go with what body part you wanna go for.

vampy dear why do you keep cheating on me

i dont know what body i want
whatever lol ill always be ugly so who cares

just do cardio, squats, hip thrusts, and machines for the rest of your lower body if you want to be more feminine

ah well i bet you know more than average and plenty i don't too, i just follow international politics and have an interest in electoral reform. the consequences of being an american, to invest at all in politics here i had to dig down to the root with broken voting systems and corruption. also a personal interest as my mom lives in canada!

I feel like the addiction / homelessness problem has soared under the liberals and i am curious how a different party would handle it

that's reasonable, from what i've seen of your greens and ndp even increasing their coalition share could lead to better solutions there. honestly i wish singh could just be PM i think he would do well leading a coalition with libs and greens.
also your greens are pronuclear right? ours are anti and i have to oppose them for it, it drives me crazy .-.

starts at the local level

100% agreed. this works especially well in the US too, because we have pretty robust local and state democracies, and levers the cities can pull on their states, and a big lever the states can pull on the constitution or at least threaten to pull to wake the feds up. grassroots is the way to go generally too i think, mass movement is needed for electoral and corruption reform since the legislators have a vested interest in the status quo

if I had more motivation and wasn't such a cringelord hehimhon I'd be considering running or directing some kind of platform

if you're also american keep your eyes open, i have some plans that will need some recruits amd i'm hoping for a viral splash. can't say more but i have ideas on how we can pull the right levers. if you're canadian or elsewhere i suggest looking for the key levers in your country and building something similar, every western democroligarchy is a gordian knot waiting to be cut rn
except switzerland switzerland is kino

if you're also american keep your eyes open, i have some plans that will need some recruits amd i'm hoping for a viral splash. can't say more but i have ideas on how we can pull the right levers.

lol, lmao even

oop second part of was to (you), from

>starts at the local level

it'll be nice :) just imagine me scaring you to jump from a cliff so we can be ghost pals
sure
always wanted to try smoking

yeah yeah yuk it up. and when it comes i'm sure you'll have no idea it was some 4troon you interacted with once who was responsible, i won't even be one of the public faces. but you have no idea what irons i have in the fire my friend ;p

what if you could be not ugly though have you considered this
maybe you arent ugly in the first place

god bless the manmoder military god bless our troops

o7

el rata alada...

i want a pussy so much
don't even want to use it but still

Because you don't live near me and I want attention and affection. Come to me though and we'll makeout.
Listen to That's all I've done this year and it's improved my body a lot.

no i couldnt
yes i am

You look sexier than u did before, could choice brother =D

crazy mofo
get a wig and get on hrt

i'm 20x more manmoder than you btw

could choice is crazy im sorry

Sex with moapchan

i think i should get ffs with qassemyar
ok-ish with jaw, pretty good rhino, and brow a blind monkey with a scalpel can do a reasonable job
still need more money :(

You've masculinized a bit these past couple months. Only getting harder.

Ew do you want to look like cheese

ofc i would?
dumb question

she the kinda of autistic cutiei fw and give tons of love but shes german (racist) so better avoid

thanks
as you can see my skull is mega male so it is over

Wow… choices haha

you realize how i look now, right?
besides cheese is a qt

post ffs

never

she's a pole living in germany tho

pole

thats worse

i wish i would live in germany and not romania

i wish you lived in sweden so i could force feminize you
don't worry i'll release you into the wild after 5 years

i wish i was brown so they would let me stay in sweden for free and even pay me to cause trouble there

im west of you

I don't want to be a tranny anymore

tough shit none of us do

I actually am fine with being a tranny. Just dont wanna be a clocky unpassing one.

you should come visit sometime
same :(

detransition and rep healthily is probably the smart choice

understandable but you are one even if you're repressing it, sorry, shit sucks

not me though the only people i can relate to are other trans women

repping just doesn t work and you can't definitely repp healthy, something is gotta give

I'm not ever repressing again

based desu

what country in west europe is the best?

Does spain count

i think i succeeded in grinding a not too scratchy xxxf fountain pen nib
still needs testing and adjustments ofc
hungary

spain

yea, why is spain so good?
hell no

according to statistics it
s really accepting

Spain because of the architecture and culture, good climate, sexy people
Portugal is apparently very lgbt friendly too and has a nice live music scene

i look ugly

i am ugly
and tired
gn <3

hungary

is on its way back to oldschool soviet fascism and not a very friendly place for trannies

desu, i wanted to go to spain when i was on hrt, spanish is also latin like romanian, italian is the closest to romanian though but italy sucks

Samesies sis. It's not good for me mentally. I need to be pretty, hot, cute, anything but ugly.

same worstie but I'm leaning into it and being ugly and weird in ways that make me more "me"

some days when i look masculine in just the right way i love it more than anything

i want to look female

italy sucks

Are you RETARDED woah
I guess it is subjective but still…. it is absolutley gorgeous and i want to go so badly for the food and beaches and fabric shopping
I want to vacation in tortoli in a few years

uglyness and femaleness are not opposites

what would i do in sveden

italy is not a rich enough country

also italian is not an international useful language like spanish or yea

Vietnam is beautiful and those niggas are broke asf, same goes with italy i think

but vietnam is cheap and italy is expensive

i am not attractive and i don't look female
cc/album#CbKxmGrCc11O

Money doesn’t buy beautiful scenery just nice hotels and security
Between italy and greece idk which is more beautiful but i want to go to both for sure

honestly if you got born in a country with an international language that is not english, you are very lucky
you will know two international useful languages by default, french spanish and even german are very useful, there were jobs here in tech with german only..
me knowing romanian is completely worhtless..

You know english, come to north america buddy

greece is the most beautiful country in the world

okay well I didn't say anything about whether you were either, I am suggesting you learn to separate those concepts

Pls fly me out to mykonos mommy i will do whatever you want =D

romania is very beautiful also, the tourism just really sucks here and basically non existent so no hard promotion like in other places
everyone knows english, if you don t know english you are seen as uneducated and lower class, even here in romania but basically most know english here even more than in more educated countries like germany it seems..
knowing german french or spanish and english also is what makes you cool, i had to learn english in school so i got a debuff but like an american or from uk didn t so they could learn another nice international language also..
also north america sucks ass, both canada and murica

Canada is beautiful if you stay away from the border and america is beautiful if you stay away from anything urban
Yup i am an absolute loser desu for only speaking one language… i should know spanish but my dad wasnt around much as a kid welp

mykonos is ugly and expensive and owned by the mafia

ugly

Really? from pictures it looks beautiful

owned by mafia

Who cares

being loved by another man would fix me

spanish is the second most spoken language after english if you ignore the ching chong languages and is double what french is, pretty good to learn desu

Who cares

it's expensive

I wanna learn the cool languages like nipponese and kraut and vodkaspeak

Oh. well thats part of why i want to go
Idk i just want to vacation on islands around the mediterranean
Where else do u recommend then

they will do very good ai translation irl anyway at some point, even google translate is decent thus you will be able to speak anything so learning languages and moving somewhere just bc the language is useful is eh

I think almost every woman is one of those 3 descriptors. So yes, I want to look female:)

i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man i am not a woman i am a gay man i am not a woman i am happy i am a gay man

Getting to work and realizing I forgot my weed at home

Imma need a delivery nice and quick so I can grab that..

can someone adopt me to western country
i will be your slave

Are you cute? How is your ass? How well can you take a 5 inch dick?

why am I so afraid to do anything to help myself

i think i found a manmoder in my area probably chuddette but idk what to say to her since im too schizo to talk to

Is he on grindr? haha based

found where?

fuck no, I'm not

okay guys what do i say to her
worried
should i offer her weed?

wau checked, also pls weed is $40 an ounce for decent quality with how much everyone has been growing since it went legal

Gay is okay pal. i take it you've found the bbc filter already?

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with grindr but I literally do not have it in me to make a profile on any kind of dating app, I think the only thing I had up like that still might have been my tagmap for the discord I used in mmg servers

You'd get theyfab pussy so quickly bro.. just try it for a weekend

fresh bread

I'm Working On Myself Right Now™

why