I support drag queens existing, performing, and even visiting schools. Anyone who has a problem with drag queens has an issue with gay men overall.
I support drag queens existing, performing, and even visiting schools...
not all drag queens are gay you fucking bigot. kill yourself
if only people who hated drag queens knew that i'm sure that would fix the problem
you better shut the fuck up retard
why so mad though
You should try estrogen.
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they're weird THOUGH
I hate drag queens because:
1. They're fucking weird
2. Normgroids always assume they're trannies when most of them are just flaming gay dudes
Its ok to be weird.
I support drag queens existing, performing, and even visiting schools.
The drag queens I've paid to see performed adult themed shows that were entertaining, attractive and funny. They happened in licensed establishments and no one under 18 was there, obviating the risk of any needing any awkward conversations with a five year old explaining some of the contradictory aspects of sex, gender, and sexuality that would likely be causing some confusion in the minds of small children.
I've trained in lethal force, disparity of force and escalation/de-escalation. I would not want to have to explain these concepts to a 5 year old, there are just some things that children lack sufficient world experience to fit into their conceptual framework. There is a real risk of that information causing problems, yet not being of any practical value.
If you can explain to me precisely what benefits to a 5 year old that a drag queen live performance might offer, I might reconsider.
For the record, I've attended drag shows several times and enjoyed them very much.
I will never understand why drag queen story time is a thing that exists
Because kids otherwise don’t interact with gay adults bearing an affirming message for gay kids.
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I too don't the benefits of it for kids. It's okay to be weird, but every thing has a time and place.
ngl seeing a drag queen as a 5yo isn't probably any different than seeing a, f.e. a clown. what the heck do kids understand about this shit
So kids can know they aren’t alone or doing something wrong if they are gay. You don’t think gay kids exist.
Ok fair but hear me out:
They're fuckin asking for it
ngl seeing a drag queen as a 5yo isn't probably any different than seeing a, f.e. a clown. what the heck do kids understand about this shit
The difference is that drag derives much of it's power and entertainment value by delightfully blending male and female. Drag is in essence, a parody of feminine/masculine stereotypes. A light hearted, humorous and sometimes titillating caricature of females, and often specific female celebrities. A lot of the delightful aspects of drag involve risque dance moves, and a dialogue heavy with innuendo.
A clown has schtick, like the endless handkerchief, the big shoes, the horn, the water squirting lapel flower, etc. Drag is much more cerebral, sexual and sensual in a teasing, humor. If the drag show is good, you can expect to be put through a wide range of emotions ranging from tears of sadness to tears from laughing so hard.
Think of the movie Cabaret.
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So kids can know they aren’t alone or doing something wrong if they are gay. You don’t think gay kids exist.
Gay/trans are real biological phenomena. Kids who are, know what they are, and know they are different. (same as autist/asperger) In the past (70s-80s) they used to hide books in the library and the precocious little nippers would find them. Sometimes with the help of a kind librarian.
In any event, Drag is several logical levels separate from gay/trans so how can it be of much help, especially to the very young ones. (<10) A pole dancer would be less confusing and more entertaining to young children.
Was gonna post pretty much exactly this I'm a gay man, I don't really "get" the drag thing, personally, but I've been to drag shows with friends before and they're a great time. No problem with drag queens as a general thing
I cannot for the life of me understand this recent thing of drag queens doing events at schools. I just can't see any perceived benefit to it. It seems designed to piss people off, it's accomplishing exactly that, and what exactly is the payoff, even in a best-case scenario?
This is one area where I can't help but agree with the republicans, I just don't see how this is a good thing or why anybody even wants this
drag queen live performance
They don't do the dance numbers and performances with child audiences, they just put on the costume and read, hence "drag story hour"
The point is for parents to entertain their kids while giving them an opportunity to learn that gender roles do not need to be so strict and suffocating. If you think that's a bad thing you're kinda just a shitty person
gender roles need to be strict and suffocating
This is wild to say why not living cisheterosexuality
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entertain their kids while giving them an opportunity to learn that gender roles do not need to be so strict and suffocating
Do you not remember being a kid? Do you not have any idea how kids actually think or talk or socialize? This is the problem I have with a lot of leftist ideas, you're just totally oblivious to human nature and you try to smug your way through it saying "w-well anyone who doesn't conform to my little fantasy is just shitty, shitty, mean mean bad bad!"
Spoiler alert - the BEST case scenario is total indifference, the kids just see this as some other boring thing their parents or school forced them to attend. If they actually do engage and latch on in any type of way, it'll be to make fun of the drag queen and make jokes about it amongst themselves for WEEKS. Especially given that kids are all terminally online now. If there's one lone kid in the class who actually does think they're gay or trans or whatever, this will push them deeper into the closet
Just let people figure out their own shit at their own time and stop trying to force your ideas on them, your good intentions don't mean shit if your implementation is this fucking stupid
The point is for parents to entertain their kids while giving them an opportunity to learn that gender roles do not need to be so strict and suffocating.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PREPUBESCENT CHILDREN HERE. Keep your filthy grooming hands of the little kids.
Gay youth KNOW they are different, and begin searching. Trans youth the same.
Do NOT mess with small children minds about "suffocating" gender roles. If 5 year old doesn't even know about basic morality like lying and stealing and hurting animals at that age. If you want to get LGBT people lynched, grooming 5 year olds with "an opportunity to learn that gender roles do not need to be so strict and suffocating." is how you will get LGBT people lynched.
What's next? Explicit sex education for 5 year olds complete with lesbian, gay and beastiality components? Add a component about consent and then the 5 year olds can consent to sex with adults.
No matter how far you get away with going, there's always another hurdle to overcome. I can see the normies didn't fight back hard enough on gay marriage when they had the chance.
Passing straight trans live cishet normative lives.
Explicit sex education for 5 year olds complete with lesbian, gay and beastiality components? Add a component about consent and then the 5 year olds can consent to sex with adults.
Apparently, in the UK it's already too late. You can groom and rape 5 year old British girls if you're brown.
the girls enjoyed it
I don't really understand American culture. Why do they want their children to be entertained by dolled up hideous looking men?
The only ideas being "forced" is it's okay to not be stereotypically masculine and sometimes relationships are not just men and women
Kids absolutely can understand this and this makes no one turn gay or trans
Which is wild that you think being gay and trans is a bad thing while either gay or trans (otherwise get your stinky polcel shittybooty off this board)
Passing straight trans live cishet normative lives.
Jordan Peterson (rancid cuck) was right about one thing, the issue was the unlimited number of pronouns they were pushing, not the trans people who by and large, just wanted to be addressed and treated as the OTHER gender, not some weird Xe/Xir nonbinary nonsense.
Lynn Conway, whose microcode may still be running in our cpus, was fired from IBM for being transgender.
I didn't say being gay or trans is a bad thing. I said importing drag queens to read stories to little kids is a stupid fucking idea, and at best it means absolutely nothing to the kids
Like do you honestly think a single kid is walking away from that thinking "wow that was so moving I really empathized with that facepainted demon clown, that just made me so much less likely to bully the gay kid"
You clearly think being gay is a bad thing.
No I clearly think you're an idiot, and you're trying to make me out to be a bigot to avoid facing your own stupidity. I am gay and I think it's great, and I managed to figure it out without a clown reading me a book when I was 5
No, people in general are more subtle than that, not even just children
It's like a kid who grew up in a rich white suburban bubble and never had any exposure to any other types or classes of people and ends up unempathetic thinking fucked up morals are just jokes
A lot of them move on to gain more experience in the world and develop empathy and reform how they thought of people being different
This is small moments of exposure to different types of people, they get an experience and end up internalizing little by little that not conforming to the stereotypes is okay, this person they met entertained them and was fun and read them a story and were nice, that's an experience that will inform other experiences going forward.
As they said you're obviously just homophobic as shit, I doubt you're actually gay and just here larping but if you are it's really sad
I didn’t experience anyone talking about being gay or meeting gay adults as a child. It was isolating and alienating.
the girls enjoyed it
Many women involuntarily orgasm during rape. Does that make it legal or moral? If an infant can orgasm during molestation, does that make it legal or moral?
Presuming you have some male genitalia, if I forcibly confine you, and subject your anus to electric shocks triggering an involuntary orgasm, does that non consentual relationship become legal and moral?
Watch while they fuck this goat in the ass with an electrically charged dildo in order to milk semen.
Might want to nip that in the bud if you want to win an election in 4 years. How important is this issue to you really? Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Kids will be fine without drag.
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The goat's scream during orgasm sounds just like me.
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How important is this issue to you really? Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Kids will be fine without drag.
I honestly wonder why this is the hill they want to die on, especially when some of these drag queens doing the storytime schtick turned out to be convicted child sex predators.
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They're doing this to me at work tomorrow.
I don't understand how a single thing I'm saying is homophobic. I just remember being a kid and this wouldn't have meant jack shit to me, and I'm pretty sure everyone in my class would've been making fun of it for weeks
Here's the thing you're not getting - kids aren't stupid, and they have a pretty good nose for the artificial and the performative. The reason this whole stunt is stupid is because it's clearly a stunt. It's "some lame thing (parents or teachers) are making us sit through that's supposed to teach us some lame lesson." They're not being entertained or having fun, they're a captive audience, and they're resistant to it specifically because they're being forced to be there. Not even because of the message itself, not because they're intrinsically homophobic, not even because of anything wrong with the drag queen - simply because it's a stupid, preachy spectacle, and kids will spot that immediately, and either check out or reflexively mock it
Kids learn tolerance by interacting with REAL PEOPLE in a real context. It's not "drag queen story hour" that imparts the lessons you're talking about, it's not anything forced or fake, it's their gay classmate, or family member, or teacher, or someone they admire, that shows them that gay people are just normal people. This does the opposite. It casts a weird, unnecessary spotlight on the issue in a weird, forced way
And that's divorcing it entirely from the backlash and anger over this particular stunt, which the kids are not unaware of. Stuff like this is provoking a greater degree of homophobia, not reducing it. I think this is doing more harm than good to gay kids, the initial intention was patently stupid, the payoff has been negative, you STILL refuse to accept that it's a bad idea when it's blatantly failing, you just double down and say ANY disagreement with your method must be homophobia, and this is what's irritating me. As if you're incapable of having a bad idea with a good intention