So, this is the only board I'm allowed to ask this besides Anon Babble, but I'm curious

Who’s saying being trans is significantly worse than being disabled or having a lot of chronic pain? Aside from the discrimination from society

We take hrt at the end of the day for the same reason youd take medicine that fixes your joint, we are suffering without it

I don't actually have medicine that fixes my joints. They tend to just give antidepressants for this stuff past a certain point.

And I don't know, it just seems like it's a much bigger deal if someone has the gender variant of this, everyone tries to just kind of brush any other variant under the rug.

no duh. it has to do with the gender the brain perceives itself as. see

Person A suffers due to problem Z

Person B suffers due to problem Y

therefore, Y = Z

Your argument is shit. Y and Z are different causes. I want a girlfriend. Do I have girlfriend dysphoria now? Am I trans for wanting a girlfriend? fuck off bro.

Yeah, but that doesn't seem to affect your capacities as a person at all. Like, what gender specific tasks exist, in your day to day, besides excretion?

Who’s brushing your suffering under the rug? Being disabled is horrible and I’m glad you can cope with it despite there being no fix for you. Trans people *could* cope without transitioning, but we don’t have to

I think by the standards set in this thread you'd just have girlfriend dissatisfaction, as you don't have significant changes to your abilities from not having a gir

Being male or female has almost no effect on your general capacities as a person

did you even read my post? gender dysphoria relates is an intense distress related to sex characteristics. having body hair doesn’t effect ones capacity to do something in a meaningful way, but for someone with gender dysphoria it might make them unable to shower or bath cause seeing their body hair causes them distress

it doesnt impact gender specific tasks, it just makes it difficult to exist

I dunno, it just doesn't seem like that big a deal. And the goal is always to be able to act like I'm not disabled at all. The moment you start trying to make things easier for yourself, that's when the condition gets worse and you lose even more functionality.

dysmorphia might be underdiagnosed but it’s simply not something the average person has. it’s a form of ocb not just dissatisfaction, it’s obsessing about that perceived flaw on a daily basis to the point of avoiding people, skipping work/school and suicidal ideation.

Hmm.
This sounds much more like a traditional obsessive disorder than what I understand dysmorphia to be.
What are the treatments for those? I wonder if they've got a success rate.

It is a big deal though? Its fucking horrible to have the wrong hormones and gender attached to your body. Emotionally rending. You just seem to be callous and disbelieving of what people say.

Oh, no, I meant the bones don't seem like a big deal. As long as I live with great pain, the pain won't get worse.
But if I start taking painkillers regularly, or start moving less, or anything like that, I'll reduce my natural resistances, and reduce my range of motion.

i hate this le natural part of life argument. after this logic u shouldnt use anything invented by society cause its not le natural

Okay, and you're telling me that if there was a medicine to fix your joints, you wouldn't take it to get your body to be how you'd like it to be? The whole point of this is that there is something that can be done about it. The reason it seems like a much bigger deal is because this issue has been politicized such that people have constant disagreements about it and bring it up all the time. Other issues are just seen as no brainers where there is a very obvious course of action. There are also undoubtedly tons of would-be trans people who just cope and live unhappy lives for one reason or another.

if it were an obsessive disorder it would be curable with conversion therapy, but it is brain variance, not an obsessive disorder

It is a big deal though, disability and pain spikes suicidal ideation in people drastically. And transitioning isn’t like painkillers it’s permanently reducing the pain and increasing mobility in this analogy (to various extents)

body dysmorphia? ssri and cognitive behavioural therapy like fucking everything lol. the mean thing is that actually getting cosmetic surgery isn’t helping because it’s kinda delusional by nature. gender dysphoria of course has different treatments even tho there can be some overlap, same with for example anorexia

It's not that natural is good, it's just that it's something everyone has to deal with.

I mean, maybe? If I have to take it my whole life or the condition returns, probably not. I don't need the additional kidney and liver load. And yeah, I imagine there's a load who just cope with it. I think it's like the others say, when you combine this with obsession is when it's a problem.

Looking it up, unfortunately, the treatment rates for obsession aren't much better than what you've got going on right now.

Obsessive disorders are also brain variances, anon.
I thought it was a like, lifelong regiment of pills?
Turns out that shit doesn't actually work very good, which is unfortunate.

ok but we can prevent and change it? should ppl endure cancer just cause its natural and ppl have to deal with it?

Often times, yes? Like, there are a number of cancers where we have no non-lethal treatment, and it's why the deaths from cancer are so high.
Like, I'd take ambrosia to fix everything as soon as the next guy, but practically medicine can only do so much, and we've got to consider realistically whether you want a 5% survival rate or another 6 months to do things with.

In the same way that someone with a broken body part is unable to accomplish things the way they would prefer, I am not able to fully or appropriately be me without the presumption that I'm a woman. This is external and social of course, but there are internal components as well. I never liked the way I felt with testosterone in me, and that led to let's call it detrimental performance. In this sense, transition worked as well as say a compression belt would for someone who suffers from sciatica. Speaking from experience here as someone with a slipped disc lol.

basically his entire argument is "i have something that has no cure/treatment and i have to simply deal with, therefore trannies should be denied their remedy/treatment and just have to suck it up too, cause im an egoist"

a like, lifelong regiment of pills?

So? Would you be surprised if someone took a pill every day for permanent mobility gains without serious side effects? You can deal with pain and disability but not with putting a needle in your butt once a week?

Oh, so it doesn't work very well. Shit, I'm sorry. I wish you had some better treatment.
I don't think I came in here with an argument, and still haven't formed one.

i have dysphoria & psoriatic arthritis in about all my joints
dysphoria is much much worse

Yes, actually, I can deal with pain much easier than I can deal with kidney or liver failure.
Now, I'm not sure whether human hormones cause the same problems, but it's super important to watch how many pills and shit you take.

Reread my post. Without serious side effects. You’re pulling a motte and bailey for no reason.

i take 1 injection of bioidentical estrogen per week

One thing I'd add about hrt is that only the oral form involves actual load on the liver and whatnot. The other methods of administration are more direct, such as injections ranging from weekly to monthly, or even transdermally. A lot of trans people are pretty mentally unwell, and hrt actually works to reduce their issues, so taking the medication isn't some massive burden. In the current day, hrt regiments consist of bio-identical hormone replacements and do not come with an increased risk of anything.

Oh, so it doesn't work very well.

I'm one of the older posters on the board, having transitioned 17 years ago. And at least for me, transition allowed me to move past my problems and become productive. The treatment and social and legal changes we undergo are described as palliative for a reason. It can be very helpful, but it's not magic.

Oh yeah, totally then. Though, like I say, I don't know of many medical procedures without serious side effects.
And this helps?
Yeah, that sucks, I'm sorry. At least it's something.

Well, good luck with your conversion therapy or drug regiment I suppose, not much to be done about the arthritis but moving a lot.

That's fuckin' wild. You'd think injections would always be more harsh than the pills.

hrt is cheaper and pretty simple
biologics are more expensive
hrt is such a non-issue

Anyway, it seems that the conclusion I've come to from these posts and a bit of research is that body dysmorphia is entirely livable, but when you combine that with an obsessive disorder, shit's not livable. But, you can treat this type of obsessive disorder slightly better with drugs than therapy, which is an interesting exception.

And this helps?

yep. no load on liver. safe and cheap.
and you're comparing a bum joint to dysphoria when its more like being a quadriplegic.

I am not sure why you're exaggerating so, the symptoms and non-pharmaceutical treatment both seem consistent with obsessive disorders. There just happens to be a pharmaceutical out here, where normally there isn't one.

It's cool that the injection bypasses the liver problem somehow.

quadriplegic

I wouldn't go that far. Though, one of the crazy things is there are cute girls who post on this board whose transitions, at least on the surface, seem successful, yet they rot in their bedrooms and their skull is filled more worm than brain tissue. I don't think that's the gender dysphoria so much as other unresolved issues. Maybe there's overlap but damn.

It really seems like it's actually a greater psychological issue, but this specific version of it has a treatment option that normally isn't available.
Seems to work like, 5, maybe 10% better, but that's something.

Yeah, for me personally transition was immediately helpful, and led to my being able to function and enjoy life.

It's upsetting how sometimes a dumb hack can fix much greater problems in complex systems.
It reminds me of a computer I had that was in a fire and fucked, but worked when upside down.

As they say, if it's stupid but it works, maybe its not so stupid

It's still stupid, goddamnit it.