What do we do about TDS?

So it seems to have gotten out of hand and it this point it feels like a Jew in 1935 Germany arguing that blood libel isn't real but like... idk is there any effective argument tactic we could do that hasn't been tried?
Why do they hate us so much? Is it ignorance? Do we symbolize some darker fears they have? Is it just fun for them to bully someone?

Idk things have gotten pretty dark. I'm tempted to just be pretty and passing and deep stealth but it does feel like there's more we could do.
Like I look at picrel and idk it's beautiful to me. I know transition isn't that easy in practice, but what's so wrong with it conceptually?

fuck i wish picrel was me

what's so wrong with it conceptually

Nothing, we just don't have the technology

I mean at least a minority of lucky trannies do look like that after years of transition. So it's a slower and more luck based process but it does happen.

Why are those cases bad? You say nothing but there's a reason the normies hate it.

A minority isn't enough, failure is more visible than success

We think you're sickening perverted freaks. I know all the gender identity shit is fake because I'm AGP. I have the good nature to suppress my aberrant sexuality. So when I see trooners I'm even more disgusted than normal people because I know how true it is that you're all perverts.

But why hate the successes because of the failures?
This type of rhetoric suggests a type of puritanism. Do you think all sexuality is decadent? How do you feel about cis agps or like cis bimbo prostitutes?

My feelings aren't that strong, but yeah, I see where you are coming from. It's like being autistic dedicated to masking and passing as neurotypical and seeing someone sperging out.

It's like drug addicts. When you say that, people don't imagine the succesful rich man with cocaine addiction. They imagine poor and ugly methead trying to steal something from them for the next hit. Get it?

So would an optical solution work then?
Force people to boy or manmode until they're at least decently passing?

I'm torn on that though because it would make people more or less unaware of trans people which may lower rather than increase acceptance.

Trannies are forcing everyone to see them live out their fetish. It is disgusting and demeaning to see someone live out their sexual fantasy as a caricature of the opposite sex. Sexuality is just the thing that tries to make you reproduce so its unnerving to see people who clearly have a damaged sexuality that makes them crossdress instead of pursue the opposite sex.

So in the OP picrel, the person the right. They look like a normal bimbo type girl.
How is that wrong? Sure it may be fetishistic but why would the average normie care? Especially if it's an actual gigapassoid?

Let's say hypothetically. Ignore modern trannies. Let's say there's magic future tech that makes transition easy and possible and reversible within a short period of time.

Let's say there's magic future tech that makes transition easy and possible and reversible within a short period of time

Then obviously the perception would be different. It wouldn't be men invading women's spaces if those men had fully female bodies.

People hate us because of late transitioners/nonpassers. It brings our wider aesthetics down, and that's all that matters for most people. If every tranny got HRT early, then people would think we're more normal, because nonpassers would be an aberration to them rather than the norm like it is now.

Then obviously the perception would be different. It wouldn't be men invading women's spaces if those men had fully female bodies.

Hmm so there's a point of passing where you think it would be fine.
Would you admit some gigapassoids that exist today, say Emma Ellingsen, cross that threshold? If not why not/ what more would they need?

Idk. I get that argument but so much of the focus is on shit like youngshits in sports that I don't buy that.

Well, what women have that Emma doesn't?

tranny haters are repressing trannies

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The ability to bear children I'd say is one but women with Hysterectomies are still women so idk

Always have been.

True passing would also mean behaving like the opposite sex. If someone looked and acted convincingly like the opposite sex then there would be no problem because people wouldn't even be able to tell.

Yeah, it's biological traits like that. So even when passing aesthetically, there are differences.

Well there is a problem currently in terms of legal stuff.
Like as it seems now it appears gigapassoids may be put on lists and publically outed and harassed/etc. They'll also be denied hrt and the like.

because people wouldn't even be able to tell.

Part of the problem with this is that they then have no idea they're dealing with a tranny. In the far future with perfect transitions that's probably how things should be as if people can go back and forth easily at will then all you are now is all that matters.

However, in current society that means that gigapassoids are ignored and unknown in public. People may deal with them and like them without realizing they're trans, thus onyl seeing bad trannies, thus ruining opticis. There must be a way to use gigapassoids to improve optics.

Grow up having what everyone easily recognized as a "TG fetish."

Stories and art revolve around guys being embarrassed, and confused, and dealing with the whole struggles of the situation, leading to inevitable acceptance

Mid 2010s roll around

Suddenly stories and art are flooded with characters and situations where the person already WANTED to be a girl, and it often boiled down to pages of art, and novels of stories that amount to nothing but narcissistic wish fulfillment

I'd never seen a total "vibe shift" like that when it came to fetish content, and it's pure shit. Look at stuff like The Transformistress and half of whatever's on TGStorytime's front page.

What do you think caused this difference? I always liked the first type more.

Tumblr era growing up, and the site popping like a cyst out onto the rest of the internet. Damn shame. Right as the fictionmania sissy boomers started to fade, we entered into another era of trash.

Passing is a myth.
NTA but I think the push for trans stuff started on tumblr. It became a popular personality substitute and then got boosted by people like pritzker.

So you don't like trannies because they changed the narrative of your force fem fetish. Fair enough.

Passing is a myth.

Then assume the theoretical future tech scenario.

the push for trans stuff started on tumblr.

As a tranny from the pre tumblr era idk. For instance one of the first websites I remember is tsroadmap from like 2004 which predates tumblr.

trans shit has been around for decades, but the hockey stick point was around 2013 when it was becoming a thing on tumblr. It took some time to spread, but in 2016 it was possible to meet people who didn't know what transgender meant. By 2018 that was impossible.

Or it's about someone taking out what you enjoy in privacy and secrecy (for a good reason) to the public and all the inevitable negative shitstorm around it.

So pre tumblr was better because less people knew?
Then one goal would be for less visibility so less people know

Idk not sure if the same anon but earlier an anon said it was fine if done by a gigapassoid.
In which case the issue isn’t doing the fetish in public but rather doing it in an aesthetically unpleasing way. Like doing it while also looking bad

But here’s where things get a bit confusing for me.
Some of the biggest pushback to trannies comes from guys who like dressing reallt optically badly like women in public. For instance a prominent early anti trans voice in the UK was the Monty python guy who didn’t like that trannies were upset when he looked bad dressing up like a woman.
Don’t cis guys have a right to look goofy in public? Why should we be upset with how bad they look?

Yeah, and most will look bad doing it. The 1% can't compensate for 99%. And no, earlier transitions wouldn't help. The male brain is still there.

Trans people transitioning don't harm anyone or interfere with anyone's life. The whole thing about oh my god some tranny at work might force me to use their pronouns!! Is so overblown. Trannies are like 10x more likely to man moder forever than come out

How about just requiring boymoding until gigapassing then?

Until it does. Many such cases.

Stop fucking conceding so much intellectual space to this insane admitted AGP repressing freak who is just going to autistically demand thay you go into le gas chambers. Grow a spine.

Gigapassing isn't on tthe table. And you can't require shit from people.

I do not demand anything?

transphobe says anything to me

MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS, CREEP

I’d say Emma Ellingsen is a gigapasser

Emma Ellingsen is a vapid bimbo and essentially a thirst trap. My identity is a woman is more than just heinf a sex object whose life is based on normie Instagram trends. And yes I am hot and pass but this is still true. I have a brain and a career and just want to be left alone.

Inb4 you're obviously a hon because your argument is AGP!

Most people lose the lottery rather than win it.

are those fucking breast milk stains????

Hot if true

Once all of your legal information has been changed, move to a different country, and only provide their bureaucracy with your UPDATED documents.
This way your new country doesn't have your old name and AGAB on record, and obfuscates any future legal decisions meant to identify and affect trans people.

I think its actually about the white birth rate. It goes hand in hand with the abortion and immigration issues.

Works on a personal level but doesn’t change things in the big picture.
Like thinking 50 years out if there’s anything to be done.
I guess maybe like with the Jews something bad enough could happen that would garner sympathy

white birth rates

I believe that that’s driving it on a base level rather than a thought out logical one.
Like the libsoftiktok girl spews transphobia but she’s also Hasidic which is a culture designed for maximizing birth rates. It’s clear why in such a culture trannies, infertile, would be bad.
Gets into issues of fertility and gender roles for maximizing birth rates(though not survivability due to welfare states) rather than all the other topics in this thread like aesthetics or mentally being a woman or w/e

we;re coming for you. they're coming for you. double digit % of americans voted SOLELY on the troon question. you ARE a jew living in 1935, except no one will save you. everyone is cheering for your death.

Suit yourself.
In my opinion, we need to organize and act collectively.

tranny jonestown when??

troons are only a few years away from being openly assaulted in every major american city, and that's a good thing

Assume what? If there was magically tech that made it impossible to tell if someone was a tranny then that would solve the issue. People would get bored with it and not care.

If you want something you could do to make trannies less hated, you would need to have more voices of reason. Be magnanimous, and not agro autists when people say they don't like trannies. Admit that the current rate of child trooning is higher than whatever the rate of "true" trans should probably be, and that there are doctors who are just rubber stamping transitions. But all these suggestions are pointless. Even if you try to put forward a good face for trannies you cannot prevent the millions who are anti-social autistic nerds who are eager to fight and argue till the end of the universe.

So that's the answer. There is no solution where people actually like and genuinely accept trannies. Mainstreaming trans shit was only possible through top down force. So either you need to go full steam ahead with libtard fascism, or accept that the high water mark of trans acceptance has already been reached.

child rate of transitioning is too high

Idk I think if we talk about a future tech, especially a reversible one, that gave an easy quick transition it would be pretty commonly used. At least for fun by a high chunk of the population.

And I do agree with you but I also think this future tech is possivle or at least that transition technology can be improved. Perhaps it’s the solution even if far future.

Hair doesn't grow like that in 9 weeks, is the artist retarded? Well he's pushing transgender ideology, clear indicator