Do trans girls think that 29 year old straight cis kissless dateless virgin men are pathetic?

No
I'm khhv so its kind of a relief that I'm not the only person dealing with it
Although I do believe you're gonna make it since I believe I'm gonna make it. so maybe that's why

I'm khhv so its kind of a relief that I'm not the only person dealing with it

But it's extremely different for women.

Women are the passive partners in relationships, whereas men are supposed to be aggressive and assertive.

That's not how I want things to be, but it's how things are.

maybe things used to work that way but it doesn't anymore in my experience. I only kinda get pursued when I'm being super extroverted and even then I've had guys wait for me to make the first move.

As a man, I don't get pursued ever because all the expectation is on me to make a move.

I have even had women who were clearly interested in me but refused to do anything because they wanted me to make the first move instead.

yeah there was that dating app where the girls had to message first for female empowerment and it failed cause they straight up wouldn't even when it was the only way to get a guy. I'm pretty assertive when I want something and my idea of pursuing a guy is being increasingly obvious until he does something. I know men aren't pursuing as much, but I'm assuming whatever happened to you guys hit us too and just made it all worse.

I'm pretty assertive when I want something and my idea of pursuing a guy is being increasingly obvious until he does something.

Well that's not being assertive.

Being assertive is actually coming out and saying "I think you're attractive" or asking the guy on a date.

Hints are not assertive. Hints can be interpreted as simply a girl being nice.

that's what I'm saying. I can't imagine saying that even to guys I was into and were into me and who I could talk about anything else with

genuinely we used to live as men who couldn't do masculine things like pick up women
I've dated a load of incels and tbdesu you seem like the ideal partner for a straight tgirl
bitch I own the misaki shirt
I wanna fix a bf so bad

You only exist for me to not kill myself
Because what you just said makes me want to live
I’m not OP btw

A lot of guys think approaching a woman is just asking for trouble, they may go their whole life never doing it and I'm not exaggerating. You're the one who can safely approach people so if you're actually interested in clear terms ask him out if you want it to go somewhere.

genuinely we used to live as men who couldn't do masculine things like pick up women

I've dated a load of incels and tbdesu you seem like the ideal partner for a straight tgirl

Then why don't trans women pay any attention to me?

You all see straight through me, or just treat me like shit.

fucking npcs
are you not real people? do you not want things too? am I the only one with autonomy? you're not gonna get tackled by the rape police because a girl rejected you

For me it's not so much that it would be "trouble", it's that I think women would view me as embarrassing, pathetic and disgusting if I ever approached them.

No, but if a girl rejects me then I will have to live for the rest of my life knowing that she once looked at me and thought:

ewwwww, he's so pathetic and ugly and disgusting, i can't EVER imagine myself being with him...

It's just too humiliating and I can't cope with it.

people will look down on you sometimes. it sucks. but you're being cringe and weak willed about it. like I get it, I've been there, but that's not a good way to look at the world or yourself

It’s a lot worse than just being looked down upon

The feeling of being negatively judged by a woman is the worst feeling in the world. There is nothing else that feels so destructive to my self-worth, and so humiliating

I don’t ever, ever want to experience that feeling again.

why

You can take it however you want, Ms Assertive. Life is all about priorities and some things you want will be outweighed by other priorities in which case a want may as well not exist in practice. You're not any different from these guys so if you get off your high horse maybe you can exercise your supposed autonomy in these opportune times a bit more if you have any. There's no prince charming born to snatch you up. You've made a lot of assumptions about me, but I've actually taken an advantage of this to approach guys I was interested in with a 100% success rate.

i think all cis men are pathetic, so yes purely by technicality

Yes. Ive literally stumbled into sexual encounters completely on accident with cis women, and Im not even interested in them. Only had sex with 3 women because of that but my point still stands. Like how the fuck can you fail for that long?

Some people just have cards stacked against them
Why can’t you see?

oh that changes things if you're a girl saying that. I thought you were op trying to get out of the responsibility of social interaction. I don't need a prince charming but I don't find passive men attractive either. but I see what you're saying.

nothing op said implied failure, you however had sex with 3 women you weren't even interested in, wonder how many failures you had to stumble through for that. gross

What even is a passive man?

Oh no Im just not interested in women at large. Im saying the only reason Ive ever had sex with women is because they came on to me first and I just didn't want to be rude lmao.

No offense, but I think if you haven't had any kind of contact with someone by that age, either you're a recluse who doesn't go outside, or there's something *really* wrong with your personality or mentality. Maybe a mixture of both. Judging from what you said in this thread, you probably got rejected at a really early age, probably middle school to early high school, and never really recovered from that emotional scar because you started refusing to face that feeling again.
It takes a sort of quiet strength to be able to admit those things to others, but to wear it like balls and chains around yourself is what's making you look pathetic to me. There's a sort of "kicked puppy" mentality and demeanor on display here that is incredibly unattractive to women in general – we want someone who can protect us, can provide, can be strong in the face of adversity.
How could you ever provide that whwn you're too afraid to talk to us?

t. 31 year old tranny

lives his life on autopilot, is too anxious and neurotic to do anything, needs to be told what to do or saved from himself, or outsources his sense of self to the opinions of other people. also what said.

And the reason Im saying failure is because like. If you're interested in cis women. Like how can you go 30 years on this earth and not have sex with one, when like every single encounter I've had with women has been entirely on accident and Im apathetic at best about women.
Like cheap sex is very very easy to find, even if its not very fulfilling. How can you possibly go 30 years on this earth without having a single shitty hookup with your preferred sex?
Like all those encounters were just stumbled into completely on accident and didnt exactly want. How could you want it and not get it?

Like you state everything that is wrong yet never give a way out. And you wonder why they are men like this

It really doesn't change anything, you were just being really judgemental for no reason, like sincerely the messenger doesn't matter with most things. If people in general were to make the kinds of leaps you made when a guy approaches them I'm going to be harsh and say it's perfectly warranted to not feel safe approaching as a guy.

I don’t think they’re pathetic

Oh no we're two different people lol. Old lady has the right idea tho. Girls dont like people who are just sad sacks simple as, but my point still stands that like. As long as you're in the general vicinity of enough women itll probably happen eventually. Idk though maybe it's just because I spend too much of my time hanging out with bi and queer women lol, but like yeah. If you hang out with girls and actually listen to them theyre not exactly quiet about what they want (and no its not big cock or whatever men are the ones that say that I mean actually listening to women)
T. 21yo tranny.

I think op has a thing for trans woman specifically so yeah I think that changes a lot