Do you literally, actually believe you're a girl in your heart of hearts...

Do you literally, actually believe you're a girl in your heart of hearts? Or do you just think calling yourself a woman describes you better in a relative sense? I feel like it's almost impossible that most trannies literally think they are girls. A lot of you are smart

transition means pretend
hope that helps

i believe you're a girl, op

Do you literally, actually believe you're a girl in your heart of hearts?

Yes. Like, it's not even something I have to think about because it's just obvious to me. It's just like you're asking me if I believe that grass is green.

Do you think you are a girl?

I don’t think of myself as male or female desu, I feel more like an alien that isn’t suited to earthling categories

I'm a guy with tits who takes estrogen to reduce the frequency of my suicidal thoughts

What do you mean "literally, actually" believe? what would make me a "literal, actual girl" ? It's all just words and bullshit I'm trying to look hot before I die

Do you call yourself nonbinary?

Is it not weird that you cant give birth and have to make consistent effort your entire life to maintain your female appearance?
There are thousand other things too.

No

This seems honest
Pretend to be a girl?

Those things are depressing to me, but don't really make me question who/what I am. I see my situation as being born with an unfortunate birth defect. Transition is just treatment for it.

im a man and i think looking less like one would make me happier, im not even remotely a girl

both of these things women do?

t. poon

conflating going without makeup to cold turkeying estrogen

Brainworms. NTA btw.

You feel like the defect is being a man? And not your fear of it?

I believe in the soul

look up menopause

do you literally, actually believe anyone cares what you think?

you are lucky to see things this way.

being born with an unfortunate birth defect.

But why are you born as a perfect male though? If birth defect was really the issue.

A broken cup is an object with defects.
But is an unscathed mug an object with defects?

Assuming you are born as a male with defects, how can you be sure it's a physical issue and not a mental one?

Oh you mean that thing they invented estradiol for?

comparing menopause to needing lifelong daily doses of estrogen

To repeat, brainworms.

Being a man isn't a defect. I just see myself as a woman that was born with issues where I have the wrong organs. All I can do is treat the issues as much as possible so I can increase my quality of life.

It's not some woman > men thing, it's just perception. Is it a mental issue? Maybe, but that doesn't matter to me as long as I'm happier and living a more fulfilling life.

Yes
Your issue is that you are a woman who happens to be 100% composed of male cells and possession of totally male organs and body? What is it exactly that makes you a woman?

unless you want to deteriorate into an androgynous weak boned thing, yes, you need estrogen post menopause

you probably has the best mentality for a trans.
I hope you dont mind the other guy. He doesnt understand your answer.

May I ask your opinions on trans entering female only spaces?

A plurality of women do not need nor take estrogen supplementation during menopause. There is no such plurality for trans women.
The health complications in the absence of estrogen in those cases are also disjoint.
You'd be better off arguing this strawman through the case of an oppohorectomy, but that has holes as well.

every cell is heckin MALLEE XYXYXYXY MALE

xe fell for the meme

i mean, post-srs many mtfs just went off estrogen back then. It gives you menopausal hormone levels and has all the negative effects of menopause but it was doable.
Do you fucking think menopause is just "teehee my estrogen fell by 5pg/ml i feel so bad tehee"?

The meme? Gendered reproduction exists in 99.9% of eukaryotes and is integral to most life on the planet. The idea that there is some kind of emotional state linked to which zygote you produce that magically makes you a woman in humans is laughable. Are there transgender elm trees? Transgender amoeba?

Do you fucking think menopause is just "teehee my estrogen fell by 5pg/ml i feel so bad tehee"?

No? Nonetheless, menopause is not a 100%-treatment-required (or even a 50%-trearment-required) condition.
Post-SRS is a hilarious example for a category argument because the primary determinant isn't "orthogonal menopause therefore womanhood", it's having chosen toremove your male gonads surgically. Hence oophorectomy being the better yet flawed comparison.

You're not very good at this.

god this guy is a pedantic faggot

NTA but you're just saying he made you feel retarded

Your issue is that you are a woman who happens to be 100% composed of male cells and possession of totally male organs and body?

Yes :^)

May I ask your opinions on trans entering female only spaces

I don't think we should be in male spaces, it's legitimately dangerous. When it comes to female spaces I don't know if I will have a satisfying answer for you because it has nothing to do with legislation or anything. I avoided them until I was sure I wouldn't make anyone uncomfortable, and I'd recommend the same to others like me. Its definitely "looks-ism", but we live in a cis society, so we kind of have to work around that as best we can.

What intrinsic trait do you possess that you believe makes you a woman?

no to both questions. i'm a fem gay face twink failed male who will never skin walk real women evn if they themselves tell me i was meant to be a girl. because i dont believe it, even if i wish it were true. i know there are many others exactly like me on this board too, so i think its a common enough phenotype that should be a 3rd gender instead of forcing us to either troon or butch.

for me its a hard question, which is maybe the only answer you need, but i would say im a woman who has been so thoroughly tainted by manhood and pressurized into male socialization that im significantly less of a woman than almost all cis women, and probably even a decent chunk of trans women. theres still a lot of woman in there though, and i feel better letting that part dictate my thoughts and actions

and if you wanted to talk about biology, you shouldve said female. i am not a female, unfortunately. not really a male, either, by any common definition

god this guy is a pedantic faggot

Lol. Rich coming from the group and perspective that is compelled to twist or erode every definition to make themselves appear right.

I have a girl soul

I unironically believe this, but I'm not exactly sure what I believe a soul is..

you started all this by saying you can't be a woman if you have to take estrogen now you're going back and qualifying it like well only SOME cis women need it so it doesn't count
stupid. what's even the difference between "I'm a woman" and "woman describes me". splitting hairs. probably a trans woman posting this as an elaborate self hating thing

you can't be a woman if you have to take estrogen

Wow, you really are retarded.
Let's rewind the tape.

conflating going without makeup with cold turkeying etrogen

Where in that statement does it day that taking estrogen makes you not a woman?
The only thing that's there is the converse - that taking estrogen doesn't by itself make you a woman.

Let me repeat - you aren't very good at this.

What you are saying makes no sense. Estrogen dominance in humans is a secondary sexual trait of women. It's not something intrinsically related to being female. Male horses have more estrogen than female horses.

you have to maintain your femininity so it's not real

so do cis women

no they don't have to dose estrogen they only have to wear makeup

yes they do

no only SOME of them

Women don't need to take estrogen to maintain their femininity because their femininity derives from being women lol. They are objectively and always will be feminine. Truly how do you idiots not understand this? I feel like you basically play word games with yourself to trick yourself into thinking youre a girl

what do you mean? I agree. if gender all comes down to hormones then what does that make menopausal women who don't take hrt and grow out their mustaches? men? nonbinary or something? that would be silly

i’m just a girl

circular reasoning

women are women because they're women

whatever. sure. not sure why this doesn't apply to trans women but whatever you have to tell yourself to stay miserable

Gender doesn't all come down to hormones, retard. Hormones are a secondary characteristic of gender. Do you know what secondary means?

Circular reasoning? What? Women are the large zygote carriers in the human species. That's it. A woman can have issues with this or be post menopause et cetera but it doesn't change the clearly obvious fact that the purpose of and reason for their existence on a species level is to carry babies (again, this does not mean that infertile women arent women) Your purpose is to shoot loads in said women

you are sooooo stupid. I'm literally agreeing with you that gender doesn't come down to hormones. go take remedial high school level english

genuinely the most fembrained definition, im afraid

No. I'm right, and you're wrong. Tranny.

And why are infertile women women?

yeah yeah and being gay isn't real because everybody's purpose is to be straight and reproduce..... whatever take your breeding fetish back to church where it belongs

not going to argue with somebody who can't read

...Because they still belong to the gender who's purpose is to carry babies? A malfunctioning woman is still a woman... The same way you are still a man even if you take estrogen
You literally pretend to be a girl because it gives you a boner, me explaining basic biology isnt a fetish
Troon

>you have to maintain your femininity so it's not real

so do cis women

Never claimed maintaining femininity makes you not a woman. The claim was that having to take lifelong estrogen pre-menopause isn't the same category as doing your makeup. Or in other words, maintenance doesn't make you a woman.

>no they don't have to dose estrogen they only have to wear makeup

yes they do

Also not claimed by me, you have to strawman because you can't argue lol.

My claim is simple. Taking estrogen for life as a MtF isn't orthogonal or equivalent to menopause or feminine maintenance or womanhood, and claiming it is is ridiculous.

...Because they still belong to the gender who's purpose is to carry babies?

not according to your definition, because they don't have large gametes

I don't have to get pregnant just because some creep thinks it's my purpose. Gross

Show me the part where I said active carrying of eggs is required to be female. Its like saying a drink carrier is only a drink carrier if there are drinks in it. I know you are copy and pasting the same retarded counterargument I have seen trannies use 1000x but seriously lol. Do you think you're gonna word game the english language into making you a real woman?
Youre a tranny

I don't consider myself a woman, but I have nothing in common with men (lacking the desire to penetrate). I wish I were a woman or even a normal guy, but I'm not.

Nta. This is a fun category blurring, in which birth defects are held up as a new sex.
Identifiable gametal tissue exists even in the case of infertility.

you basically said being pregnant makes you a woman. But then you said women are women even if they don't get pregnant, because other women can
seems like your definition of a woman isn't actually "large zygote carrier" if you don't actually have to carry a large zygote

perhaps the problem here is that the categories are inherently blurred, and you would be better off not trying to create strict definitions

No, I didn't "basically say being pregnant makes you a woman". I said women are humans who's biological purpose for existing is to carry zygotes. That is to say on an evolutionary level, the only reason there is any distinction between men and women is because one of them has to carry babies and the other doesn't. Even if they fail to do this, or something happens that damages their ability to do so, they are still women. Claiming a nonreproducing woman isn't a woman is like saying a drink carrier isn't a drink carrier because it's empty, or because it got wet. Or a dog is no longer a dog because it has 3 legs and it can't run and catch things anymore. An iphone is no longer an iphone because the screen is broken. Etc. Your argument is inherently flawed

In my heart of hearts and in my soul I am a girl, yes. Just one that lives in a male body and is a tranny freak that can never really call themselves a woman in this life time.

I don't care if you don't get it or don't believe me, the voices in my head don't either. What is reality can simply not be changed, even if 99% of people don't see it, and would fight against it.
It just simply is the case, among other things, it's not that deep.

One day I hope to die and be reincarnated.

And here we are, the genderqueer ethos in a nutshell.

I'm unable to argue my point with categories, guess I'd better burn them all down

You can tell you don't believe this really, btw, because you attempt to argue categorically until it's apparent you can't.

>I'm unable to argue my point with categories

actually that's what you're doing, and then stomping your feet and insisting that your categories are real

no u

Also you, btw:

perhaps the problem here is that the categories are inherently blurred, and you would be better off not trying to create strict definitions

women are humans who's biological purpose for existing is to carry zygotes

Even if they fail to do this, or something happens that damages their ability to do so, they are still women.

this is quite contradictory, or at best not a real definition
"women carry zygotes, except when they don't" actually does not exclude trans women

I don't really care about gender. everyone calls me a woman though and I'm okay with that

a defect is a third category

ignore that it can't replicate

What specifically is contradictory about the fact that females as a biological role literally only exist for the purpose of carrying eggs. You are seriously just trying to word game yourself into being a woman and you are too stupid to do it lol

I'm a fully transitioned biological woman.
My body used to be biological male but my brain said this is wrong, so I brought my body in line.
If there was a one time use pill to fix my brain I would have used this, but reality only allows us to change the sex of the body and not of the mind.
My only regret is my lack of fertility

Wow! Did you get your prostate removed

This is bait.

something doesnt exist when it doesnt fullfill its purpose

i am very smart

trans women arent women because they infertile

infertile women exist

but they have or had le gametes

what if they didnt

uh uh i was ackshually arguing that females are only for carrying eggs but dont point out that by what i said earlier i also consider ones that dont women because.. because reasons

Many trans women actually are fertile! They are biological males who are capable of reproducing by fucking a woman. Some of them aren't fertile, though. They're still males! Just males that don't have functioning genitalia. This could not be explained to you any simpler lol

why would it be bait
no I did not, it's simply a small remnant of the past.

I must be confused. I thought only men had prostates...

interestingly enough, you can have both a prostate and male genitalia as well as fully female internal genitalia.
Thanks for making me curious anon.

>something doesnt exist when it doesnt fullfill its purpose

You give away the game by acknowledging the purpose.
Sex classification is a function of sexual reproduction, and classifying a third sex out of nonreproducible defects is nonsensical.
Never mind the fact that nonreproducible defects are still easily classifiable due to gametal tissue.

females are females because uh they just are okay

males are males because they are and the mtf HAS TO BE A MALE IT HAS TO BE AN XY XY XY PENIS BALLS MALE ITS MALE OKAYYYY!!!

its insanely easy to rile faggots like you up kek kek

explain the biological difference between a prostate and skene's gland

...you do know gametes can be undiffrentiated? It often happens in Swyers and Perrault's, as well as in some cases of CAIS

No problem! You're now on to the next step of tranny delusion: Pretending that hermaphrodites existing somehow means you can transform into a girl. After this you will need to find a hermaphroditic disorder to pretend you suffer from
No, as I explained here, a thing does not need to fulfill it's basic purpose to remain as that thing. I used to use a stool to sit my drinks on in my first apartment. Does that make my stool magically a table and no longer a stool? Just because nobody is standing on it?
Females are female because it is how mammals have evolved to reproduce. That's really it. You simultaneously caps lock spamming while trying to umadbro me tells me im beginning to damage your fragile conception of yourself as a woman which makes me happy
The prostate makes the majority of what becomes semen. The skene's gland produces vaginal fluid for women that shares small similarities with said pre semen fluid. In essence, one is a male sexual organ, and the other is a female sexual organ. Kind of like the difference between a dick and a pussy.

Well, it might be as simple as.. gasp.. not thinking of sex by two boxes but by a set of characteristics that can be either mixed male or female (or absent)
*gonades i apologize

On a biological level this is not how sex works in all mammals. Hermaphroditism as an intended function of DNA occurs in a lot of plants, though.

everything develops from the same place, therefore, there is no difference between anything ever for the rest of development!

I am very smart!

anon can you stop dodging the question? so much text with 0 content, are you retarded?
Either answer the question or admit that you don't understand basic biology
Here I will write it down for you again:

explain the biological difference between a prostate and skene's gland

god, you're so autistic, I love you. yes, i'm a heckin strong big (5'5 is still big if you have balls btw) man. You should start tripping.

Trannies literally cannot admit that sex exists, cannot admit that this means they are part of a pseudo-scientific, pseudo-intellectual movement, and then wonder why the public doesn't trust them.

I've already explained this lmao what
I love that the only thing you have left now is to try to call me autistic over and over because XY chromosomes existing is basically mind raping you

so you are too retarded to answer a simple question. OK then don't waste everyone's time here by pretending to have at least high school lvl knowledge of biology

YOUR RETARDED

This is coming from the guy who actually told me he thinks prostate doesn't have any involvement in production of semen btw

Unable to answer a simple question and distorting the actual content of the conversation, embarassing

I guess this is your daily reminder that the movement from trans rights is distinguished from movements for racial equality, equality for women, gay rights, etc. by the fact that trans people are mentally ill, and if you let trans people off their leash, they're going to come up with insane reasons why they're not mentally ill that only make sense to other crazy people instead of effective ways of advocating for their rights. We should continue not to learn this since it's going very well for us.