Why are troons and drag queens obessed with push gender ideology on kids

Why are troons and drag queens obessed with push gender ideology on kids

I understand you replace religion with gender ideology, lgbt parades and protests alongside boycots and public sex but leave the kids alone

You chose the path of chemical castration, hormones, experimental tranny drugs sold by big pharma, sexual hedonism and materialism

big pharma, sexual hedonism and materialism

how is that any different from the dominant culture in the west

Hubris and impatience

ESL thread
Sage and report

Queer children suffer in the hands of conservatives like you. They will experience years of grooming and indoctrination inside churches, where they will learn to hate themselves and those like them. Many times they have no one to ask for help.
We must protect them to the best of our capabilities under the law

Self hate is fine

saying that lgbt adults were once lgbt kids is against their ideology. according to them we just one day for no reason decided to become hated by everybody because of Jews pushing porn, not because we had these feelings growing up

I think porn can affect people’s attraction
If I never found porn I wouldn’t be a futa addict

Because this is AMERICA.
My ancestors fought and died so I could force people to do and see things. Home of the free.

the irony that you learned that mantra inside church.
If self hatred was fine, you wouldn't be so pressed about queer children having a choice not to hate themselves. Clearly you want them to suffer as you have suffered. But hatred spreads like wildfire. Hating yourself is never enough. You must project that self hate outwards, aiming others.
Self acceptance is a better lifestyle, and that's all we need to teach the kids.

That's just how you cope. Porn can't turn gays into straights, but somehow the opposite is viable? It isn't, actually.
Porn just made you realize something that was already inside of you

lgbt adults were once lgbt kids

That is the truth.
Conservatives will never admit it because it would humanize our experience and legitimize it.
It's very important to their ideology that queer people are seen as normal people who were led astray by corrupting forces, and not people who were spontaneously brought upon existence as queers from the get go. This way they can blame us with one hand, and hold a pitchfork with the other.

Queer children suffer in the hands of conservatives like you.

Society disagrees.
Society is also annoyed and out of empathy because the were browbeaten for a decade into pretending they didn't disagree.

Trans women are drag queens who take the performance too seriously.

trannies are the most trustworthy and responsible people to be around kids. the world would be better if all childcare was in the hands of mtfs.

Society disagrees

That's a fallacy called Argumentum ad populum. If your viewpoint has any merit, certainly you can defend it without relying on the opinion of the majority? At some point, the majority of people agreed that slavery was morally justified and necessary. This is a poor attempt at a reasonable argument.
Queer people and their allies are part of society after all. So obviously not all of society agrees.
The fact remains that queer children will suffer in the hands of people like you, who have just said "self hatred is good". Clearly you don't have their wellbeing at your heart. Your ideology comes first. It is more important to you that a queer child is pushed into repression rather than having them pursue their happiness and authenticity.

Self acceptance leads to accepting inadequacy. Self hatred leads to self improvement. Not that anon btw

You see queerness as "inadequacy" and that's the source of the problem. Being queer is just being different. There's nothing inadequate about it, since you say inadequate when you mean "wrong" and "bad".

Self hatred leads to self improvement

A lie. Self hatred leads to depression, anxiety and mental distress.
You cannot "improve" your sexuality or your gender identity because those are things you can't change, like your many other innate characteristics.
You can however change your self hatred and your lack of self acceptance. Those two are the real inadequacies to be improved. Not your same sex attraction/transgender identity.

If your viewpoint has any merit, certainly you can defend it without relying on the opinion of the majority?

Sure I can.
My point isn't to convince you.
My point is to point out that I don't need to. The preference cascade is so immense that the direction for the next decade or two is clear.

muh slavery

You can cling to that analogue if you like, but slavery was an elite institution with a clear contemporary downward trend line in support over decades.
The trend line for rejecting trans ideology is rising.

thats legit what christianity and abrahamics are about.

No I see being a walking stereotype inadequacy. Get a real job not become a sex worker. Stop prancing around like an idiot. Take dick up your ass like an adult. Easy

Sure I can.

Still hasn't

Your point is to harvest online the attention that you lack in real life, using your queerphobic sentiments as a means to an end.

The direction of the next decade

Try the next century. We, queer people, have been through a lot. It's not the first time we face persecution, and it won't be the last. Still from a historical standpoint, in the west the last 70 years have been the best for our people in all recorded history. You think we are going back to some Justinian epoch of queer persecution, but the future in a greater scale is pointing at a different direction.
You can't fight the tides of time.

The "trend" line for queer acceptance and queer identification is on the rise actually.
You can pin this on trannies as much as you like, but it's way bigger than them. It has always been.

Report this retatds

Not that anon but the problem is you think it's all or nothing. Justinian epoch? No. 1990s? Yes. People are saying retard again in public. People will say tranny again soon. Next cycle hopefully there is less push for trans kids and men in sports, normies were NOT ready for that

Your point is to harvest online the attention that you lack in real life, using your queerphobic sentiments as a means to an end.

projection, the post

My point is to state reality to you because you need to hear it.

You can't fight the tides of time.

This is simplistic "right side of history" reasoning. I'm sure you think the good guys always won over time in the long historical arc, too.

See
Explains who you're arguing against

Compared to 1900? Sure.
Compared to 1980? Not so much.

Never snitch
I’ve not snitched in 20 years using this site.

Eh. Even if the words don't get received, someone's gotta say it to them.

True. The argument is for the audience I guess, not for the person you are arguing against

I heckin love arguing with llms and thirdworlders

I see being a walking stereotype

Who's a walking stereotype? The pictures saved on your computer? Maybe let go of the permanent online lifestyle and go out there, where queer people are living and thriving in multiple ways.
Our merits and accomplishments will always be invisible to you. You only have eyes for the ones who falter and fail, because those are the ones that reinforce your biases. Hate speech relies on fallacies, and it doesn't survive serious scrutiny

So don’t argue. Talk about Pokémon typematching or something. Reddit is thataway

The people I see at the clubs I go to. I live in SF. You can't hide behind "it's the media" when I see this every weekend

Compared to 1980?

When homosexuality was still illegal in USA and there was no marriage equality?
The number of queer identifying people grow with each passing day.
What's more important about this conversation is not necessarily where the world is headed towards, but where do you want it to go
And you clearly don't want a future with more queer liberation.

to state reality to you

Reality is that you are living in the worst moment of recorded history to be a homophobe.
You may make many speculations and assumptions about the future, but the real deal is just like that: you live to witness queer people get more freedom than our queer ancestors ever hoped for, and you obviously ain't liking it.

When homosexuality was still illegal in USA and there was no marriage equality?

We're living in a world today where I could see SCOTUS overthrowing obergefell topopular support (as measured by actual polling, not media sperging) without blinking an eye.
I don't want that to happen, btw.
The trans movement, at least as it has chosen to exist in the public eye, has single habdedly put back LGBT rights and LGBT public perception by probably 40+ years.

This is simplistic "right side of history" reasoning

It's not, really, it's an actual historical trend that is observable across the globe. There is still slavery, there is still female and queer oppression, there is still draconian dictatorships, all prevalent problems in Africa, middle east and other poor countries.
But even so, from our earliest historical records to now, you see a clear arch development of technology, knowledge and human rights. This tendency is undeniable to anyone who argues honestly, and I'm not sure that is your case.

I'm sure you think the good guys always won over time

There are huge setbacks at times, like hitler. Over time, freedom has won against oppression time and time again.

go to queer clubs filled with trannies during the day

Shitpost as a chuddie incel during the night

I wonder what could be behind such a discrepancy in lived experiences.
Your anecdotal evidence is once more, another fallacy. You simply close your eyes to every queer person that doesn't reinforce your negative opinion of us.

Reality is that you are living in the worst moment of recorded history to be a homophobe.

I'm pretty sure it's the best time alive, culturally and through policy, to be anti-gay and anti-trans since probably 1990.
Then I guess you have nothing to worry about.

We're living in a world today where I could see SCOTUS overthrowing obergefell

If SCOTUS did that today, we would see a reaction from a divided nation. Liberal progressive media would speak out in our favor. Queer people would be on the streets. Celebrities, politicians and public figures would comment on it, many of those on our side.
If SCOTUS made a homophobic ruling in 1980, we would have no one on our side. Media would be silent or compliant. Our voices wouldn't be heard. Protestors would be oppressed and their flames would be snuffled quickly. Would would be powerless to even speak up. No one in the public sphere would dare come forward in our support.
Clearly there is a shift in paradigm that happened in the last 70 years. You pretend things are going back to what they were, but they're so far from it.
Most importantly to this discussion, you want things to go back. That's the whole point.

incel

I have a partner. The only fallacy here is you assuming everything and changing your argument when told your assumptions are wrong.

why are right wingers talking about trannies more often than trannies themselves?

Liberal progressive media would speak out in our favor. Queer people would be on the streets. Celebrities, politicians and public figures would comment on it, many of those on our side.

And as the last several major lever-pulls have shown, those things have no real power. They're noise and lights. They exist to give the impression of consensus where it doesn't exist. Imagine living through 2024 and thinking celebrities speaking out on your behalf is a strong indicator of strength for your movement.

No one in the public sphere would dare come forward in our support.

Not true. In 1980, you'd still have people and groups speaking out. I guess you've identified a distinction that in 1980, those groups would be low-power, and in 2025, those groups would be low-power but give off the impression of being powerful.

Most importantly to this discussion, you want things to go back.

Not really. I want the trans movement to learn and course correct and curb its excesses.

Why are you talking about right wingers more than right wingers themselves? Are you secretly a right winger?

Then I guess you have nothing to worry about

Of course we do. The struggle of oppressed minorities is never ending. If we stop fighting for our rightful place under the sun, vultures like you will be emboldened by our silence, and try to cast shadows upon us.
We must keep fighting, towards success, always. Like life, it's an unending fight between the will to survive and death.
But we are not fighting in an empty battle field, disarmed and hopeless. We fight on the shoulders of our queer ancestors who treaded this battle for centuries before us. We carry on their legacy. Their former victories resonate within our hearts. Their trees of their conquest are fruitful and plenty. We carry on the banner of freedom that is not brand new, but has been woven for centuries. It's a torch we must pass to the next generation, alight and bright, while you try to extinguish it.

The trans movement, at least as it has chosen to exist in the public eye, has single habdedly put back LGBT rights and LGBT public perception by probably 40+ years

Untrue.
Notice how this post sows division in the community. The oldest trick in the book: divide to conquer.
The trans movement is the queer movement. We are one and the same. We are the different, the non conforming, the excluded and banned from the mold of traditional families.
Trannies are just the new scapegoat, the new target, the new punching bag. As merely gay people became too ordinary, conservatives moved on to the next line, you amongst them.
What is being done to trannies is the same thing done to gays decades ago. And we survived.
Your greatest mistake is thinking that if it wasn't for the trannies, then conservatives would like you. That's the usual pick me mentality.
Little do you know, you will never be good enough for conservatives. There will always be another excuse, another set back, another hinge to exclude you. If it wasn't for trannies, they would chase the flamers, and if it wasn't flamers, they'd go after the gays who want to marry, and if wasn't them, they'd target the sluts, and if it wasn't the sluts, they'd go after the coloured gays, so on so forth.
Only a perfect specimen completely devoid of any flaws, would be a gay good enough for conservatives. There is no human being on earth who could live up to their standards for us.

yeah

curb its excesses

Consider that this thread opened with several people defending the idea that they should be taught to hate themselves when young and spend years being abused by organizations that demonize them growing up. Is avoiding that treatment an 'excess' to you? Certainly, I'm old enough to remember when simple gays were treated that way. You've implied throughout that you are gay or a lesbian 'drop the T' type, but I would assume you do not agree with the idea that you should've been abused as a teen for your preference. Why shouldn't that extend to the T? Why do you imagine them different in that respect?

obsessed with push gender ideology on kids

ESLpedoniggeroid kys immediately

(((libs of tiktok)))

I'm pretty sure it's the best time alive, culturally and through policy, to be anti-gay and anti-trans since probably 1990

This how we know how ignorant and uneducated you are. This is why your points can't stand serious scrutiny. You speak not from a place of knowledge and research, but pure ignorance.

They're not ready on this board to acknowledge the face of the true enemy, anon.

the best time alive, culturally and through policy, to be anti-gay

You know being gay was punishable by death, right?

These are a lot of words to avoid acknowledging that your tactics and meta goals were and are unpopular and that you should course correct.

Note the typical brainworms on display.

if you think the group is doing something wrong or deserving criticism you're conservative

any attempt to impose group accountability is division

corollary, all group actions, even the most extreme must be supported and defended or else it's divisive

criticism must be labeled and othered, e.g. pickme, so it can be defused

And so on and so forth.
The public notices these neurotic and auto-consuming traits, btw.

since probably 1990

NTA

Is that image from a time period between 1990 and now?

Oh? Wow, I didn't realize you could legally execute gay people for being gay in 1990

inb4 some fringe percentile case like trans panic defense

those things have no real power.

You are missing the point entirely so I'll explain it once more in hopes of you not being intellectually dishonest

Governing powers do something homophobic today

We have some support

Versus

Government does something homophobic back in the day

We have no support

There is a clear trend of growing support for our cause, and you have to be intellectually dishonest to not see it.

You refused to reply to my post why? You sound so self-assured, surely you can answer.

Yeah or jamaal got killed by tyrone over drug money but jamaal wore panties sometimes so she's a trans icon SAY HER NAME

since probably 1990

You weren't alive in the 1990s, you have no idea how bad it was for gay kids in the 1990s. It was pretty bad.
The problem is, you didn't do any research. You are just speaking from a place of prejudice and ignorance alone

To put it simply, because the cost of being wrong as a child about being gay vs the cost of being wrong as a child about being trans are orders of magnitude apart.
Acknowledgment of that doesn't compel religious pray the gay away sessions, that's a particular TRA brainworm as well.

Tunnel vision through history

The ultimate ignorance. This is why you have so many wrong opinions and misguided prejudices.
You need to broaden your horizons with the power of knowledge
But I fear that you just butcher your brain with the power of propaganda

Not really, since social transition, the only type of transition that a child needs, is completely reversible. It's just hair, names and clothes.
Notice how you are more worried about tbe children who are "wrong" about being queer, rather than worrying about the children who are legitimately queer.

You weren't alive in the 1990s, you have no idea how bad it was for gay kids in the 1990s. It was pretty bad.

Yes, I was. We're returning to a cultural point similar to that. If you disagree, I'd suggest observing live videos from inner city schools, as an example.

Acknowledgment of that doesn't compel religious pray the gay away sessions

It does, unfortunately. You are siding with people who think like that.

Your argument then is that it's different, and thus transgender teens should be abused and taught to hate themselves, because you think there is a significant risk of them being 'wrong' about being transgender? First of all, do you have any proof that there is a high risk of such a thing? You cannot merely make such an assumption. Where is your data?

doesn't compel religious pray the gay away sessions

The state of Texas is already trying to legislatively mandate conversion therapy. Certainly, you remember conversion therapy for gays? The abuse, the indoctrination, outright camps to separate you from support. Why do you think them monstrous but the same thing applied to transgenders to be no problem at all?

Watch out he's going to call your answer an anecdote now because he can't argue for shit

Per all the systemic 4eviews, mere social transition isn't what happens in 95+% of cases, so that argument is moot.

Which isn't the point, either. The public has been fed this sort of argumentation for 15 years now. It's failed. Even to the point that Chase Strangio had to deny suicidality its improvement stats in front of SCOTUS last month.

the only type of transition that a child needs

Well, let's be fair. If you're someone who had GD as a teen, you'll realize fast that going through the 'wrong' puberty pretty much ruined your body in a way no amount of drugs and surgery as an adult can fix. That's an ugly truth that's uncomfortable for people to acknowledge: you're damning us to look like ugly freaks, which they WILL use against us, for the rest of our lives.

No, it doesn't. This is a particular fallacy called black and white thinking, is just as dogmatic as fundies, and it's illustrative and noticeable to the public at large.

The public

Are you reverting to argumentum ad populum again after being asked about your personal view? That is cowardly, you refuse to acknowledge what your actual views are because you know it invites scrutiny, and hide behind what the other thinks.

1990

Closing your eyes to human history is the only way you can defend such an ignorant, shortsighted viewpoint.
You are desperately trying to funnel this conversation into the last 3 decades. But I am refusing to let you tread the path of intellectual dishonesty and sheer ignorance.
Queerphobia did not start in 1990. It is still the worst time period of all history to be hating gays. The only time history where queer haters can get a modicum of consequences, and queer people, a semblance of protection

I dont care if you think it's cowardly. I've already told you my point isnt to convince you from argument. My point is to describe to you the realpolitik of your situation as it stands today.

all these words

If you consider it a win to be 40 years backeard in terms of your cultural acceptance instead of 140 years backward, have at it.

I wish I had saved screenshots of that Texas conversion therapy bill from the other day, the sort of thing you pretend isn't happening.

avoid acknowledging that your tactics and meta goals were and are unpopular

Everything about liberation of minorities have always been unpopular.
The abolishment of slavery was unpopular. The suffrage of women was unpopular. The end of apartheid was unpopular.
You don't fight power structures without making people in power angry. These people will use their money to propagandize their hateful views. That's how they got you.
You say it's unpopular, but if you zoom out and look at history before you were born, you will see that despite unpopular, our struggle is fruitful. We have more rights today than ever.
It's a going trend, with setbacks. The unstoppable force of the future will take care of each one of these setbacks, one by one. You can't fight the tides of time forever, and time is marching towards freedom.

I've already told you my point isnt to convince you from argument.

Yet you are replying to posts asking for YOUR opinion, not the opinion of 'the public'. You are a coward in the context of this conversation because you are an argumentative weasel who keeps fleeing from any hard point or difficult question to seek refuge behind a dummy doll with the word "Average Joe" stitched to the front. Now, answer this post

First of all, do you have any proof that there is a high risk of such a thing?

Yes, the cass review and the systemic European reviews that have caused Norway, Finland,, Sweden, Denmark, France and the UK to reverse their childhood GAC treatment regimens. Coupled with the data by those same reviews thst suicidal its doesn't actually improve with childhood GAC. Add onto that detransitioners, and you have a recipe for what is happening - total reversal as a trend on child GAC.

but detransitioners are such a small percentage

Doesn't matter.

but that means society values cis kids more than they do trans kids

They do.

if you think the group is doing something wrong or deserving criticism

You haven't just criticized the group in any concrete way. You have just slandered the trannies.
You are not aiming at constructive criticism. Your aim is sowing division. Your op picture is of a hate speech account. That's where you stand.

any criticism must be relabel something other and defused

this isnt real criticism, its slander and pure hate

QED

group accountability

We have all the accountability the law gives us, just like any other citizens.
You're just doing exactly what queerphobic conservatives do all the time:

Blaming the whole for the sins of the few

Slandering an already persecuted minority but turning a complete blind eye to the "accountability" of conservative groups who oppose us

You're taking things straight from their rule book. You can't be mad if people call you a dog when you keep barking

opinion, not the opinion of 'the public'. You are a coward in the context of this conversation

Oh well. Doesn't change your situation.

Now, answer this post

Here you go

the cass review

You're citing this? Which every expert in the field has come out to publicly decry? You're seriously arguing based on the study that says "We have no proof of significant negative outcomes but we also have no proof conversion therapy doesn't work so we should force everyone to try conversion therapy instead"?

the systemic European reviews

Name them.

The detransitioners

Provide data on their percentage. How many people end up detransitioning?

Doesn't matter

It does. We give people flu vaccines despite it killing a small percentage of people. Why? Because treatment is beneficial to such a large percentage that it's considered worth the cost.

Society

Didn't ask you about society. I DID ask you if you think transgender teens should be taught to hate themselves and be abused and you refused to answer. Answer it.

all group actions, even the most extreme must be supported and defended

Never said that.
But notice how you didn't bring a single concrete, objective criticism to this conversation other than

Trannies were a mistake

And that particular criticism, on top of useless, is very prejudiced, hate filled and is the typical talking point of pick mes, which is what you are ..

This 'concerned gay person who goes to night clubs all the time' just cited the fucking CASS study, I think it's pretty clear we're dealing with someone pretending to be part of the community to do the equivalent of concern trolling. Because screeching about Jesus didn't work.

Your only criticism seems to be "trannism is bad" without any attempt to substantiate or expand your opinion beyond the most obvious immediate prejudice.
You are not here for the betterment of the queer community. You are not here aiming for a better future for us. You simply think that if you hate trannies hard enough, you will get a pass in the conservative club. But you won't.
Once more, you speak from a place of ignorance

It's very clear to me from the first post. Libs of TikTok? Tranny hate? "I go to clubs in sf and all trannies are stereotypes"?
Come on now. That's concern trolling if we have ever seen one.
It's divide and conquer, as usual.

You're citing this? Which every expert in the field has come out to publicly decry?

See, you say this, and yet those experts in their fields have to just watch as all those aforementioned countries halt childhood GAC. Between the 3xpwrts and the cass review, which has had more weight in the field?

Name them

Germany and France both commissioned one post-Cass, had the same findings, and is in line with their post-Cass actions of halting PB's and GAC as defined by the Dutch protocol.

It does

Clearly not to those governments.

Didn't ask you about society

Doesn't change that society is shaping your reality right now counter to your beliefs and actions.

I DID ask you if you think transgender teens should be taught to hate themselves and be abused and you refused to answer. Answer it.

I already answered that denying kids GAC is fine and doesn't compel self hatred or some pray the gay away dichotomy.
You just got mad about that and engaged in cult like thinking, IIRC.

Trannies were a mistake

trannism is bad

You won't find a single post by me ITT with that claim, BTW

We're returning to a cultural point similar to that

Only to those who are permanently online or blinded by hateful propaganda.
I can walk around the city holding my boyfriend's hand. Back in 1990, I would have been killed for less than that.
You weren't around back then, you haven't done your research beyond homophobic propaganda. You are speaking from ignorance, not from reason

the city

Is the city in question SF or a cultural equivalent? Safe hotspots existed in the 90s too.

That's why hormones should start with puberty, which is exactly when a child stops being a child and starts becoming a teenager running towards adulthood.
It's just contrary to the typical chud belief that children are getting hormones, which they aren't. Teens should get them though.

Quotes 1, 3, and 4 all say the same thing. "But society." I, once again, did not ask about society. You keep taking refuge in 'society' when this quote chain is about you. I asked you for your views. Stop being a weasel, already.

Germany and France...

Name them.

I already answered that denying kids GAC is fine

That isn't what I asked you. I asked a very direct question that you refuse to answer.

doesn't compel self hatred or some pray the gay away dichotomy.

Once again, Texas is already legislating conversion therapy. You will, like you have before, ignore what conversion therapy was like when it was targeted towards gay and lesbian teens and what the result was.

I think it's fair to make that distinction. I just assumed you were using 'child' to mean '17 year olds' like some do, and not vs. teens.

mere social transition isn't what happens in 95+% of cases

Source?
And how many of those kids were not true trans?
The point is not moot, but you are: you constantly bring up trans regrets, and the public opinion. These are dead giveaways that you're not truly an ally looking for the wellbeing of queer children. You just want to make the lives of queer children as hard and suffering as yours.

That isn't what I asked you. I asked a very direct question that you refuse to answer.

No, you want me to fuel your black and white preformed dichotomy and are puckered over it being called out, your

muh Texas

anecdote notwithstanding.

Name them.

Did already, Germany and France post-cass systemic reviews. Chartered by both their govs.
This is going to turn into some deep rabbit-hole "you didn't provide me a precise DOI link so I'm just going to ignore it". If you're lucky I'll go find that DOI later when I'm not phoneposting, but you're likely to just sperg out at it if I did, not very compelling.

It's not. Your tirade against transition invites the question: what to do with queer children?
You are completely blinding yourself to the reality of queer children who are born into conservative households and I can't stop thinking that you were once one of them, now determined to impose your own suffering on others

Yes because I was always totally attracted to girls with dicks

No, you want me

To define your positions, not 'society's' position. Yours. To have a productive discussion, each side must be honest. You aren't. So you must answer, or else you keep sabotaging any credibility you have.

Anecdote

Legislative proceedings are not 'anecdotes.'

Did already

You didn't name any studies. You named countries. Name the studies.

Source

Already described in thread. Cass review. Post-cass European systemic reviews. Admitted in verbal arvument by ACLU in SCOTUS pretrial in the TN GAC ban case.
It's difficult to even justify offering these things either because predictably someone says

lol thus church cites the cass review

As if that doesn't completely encapsulate the point - the cass review singlehandedly drove 7+ European countries to suspend the Dutch protocol over the objections of the experts trans people so dearly cling to.>These are dead giveaways that you're not truly an ally looking for the wellbeing of queer children.

if you confront me with uncomfortable reality you must hate trans kids and are my enemy

Your point is clearly to sow division in the most disingenuous, intellectually dishonest way. You won't even share your own opinions, but hide behind the "public opinion"
The same "public opinion" that once defended the right to own human beings as property. That's very fallible.
The reality of our politics is still the one you ignore:
This is the best time to be queer in the last 2 thousand years. We are certainly doing something right.

I’m not religious
No reason to be proud and not hate yourself for what you are. I’m sure you will be the same if you lived my own life

Then we're back to "I guess you have nothing to worry about. Keep doing what you're doing"

No, but you were always a gay in denial, up to this day

Because you are being intellectually dishonest. You haven't made any claims directly, but all you have given to us so far is intolerance against trannies and queer children

You see why I’m the way i am? You fuckers are the least understanding lmao I bet a church pastor wouldn’t just called me a closeted homo they would think I’m something unique

It's actually a third world city in the country with very high rates of anti LGBT crimes. I'm still safer here than any gay alive in the past 2000 years.
You will never admit that our political fight was a huge success, but it really was. When I was born, a gay could only dream of having the freedom that I have now.

I'm unironically happy for you and wish I believed it as a trend.

We're back at just one of the many posts you didn't bother to respond to because you had no arguments Our fight is unending. There will be setbacks, there will be challenges, hardships and obstacles (you're one of them)
In the face of these, we keep marching on. We keep the pressure up. We keep the flame of freedom burning bright, blazing like a beacon.

You didn't name any studies.

Here's one. econtent.hogrefe.com/doi/10.1024/1422-4917/a000972

inb4 sperging out on all the ways you disagree with it rather than understanding the point that governments in 2025 don't care about your preferred experts and are acting on these reviews

You're not happy, you're a snake arguing against our rights, a wolf in sheep's clothing.
You don't have to believe in anything, but you desperately need to open a history book

The same "public opinion" that once defended the right to own human beings as property

That was never really true. Most people were against owning humans they only favored owning Africans

I don't care if you believe me or not, tbhon.
If I were a chud, the doubling down in this thread would be the best political present I could ever ask for.

You were gay before you ever touched pornography.
Self hate makes you cling to any shred of excuse to make you believe that you're not actually gay, that it was something else entirely that happened to you.

I'm tired of playing whack-a-mole. Respond to my entire post.

what to do with queer children?

Restrict them to social transition until 18 or possibly 16.
Make a case to support involving CPS nationwide if you're strongly concerned over parents saying no to social transition.

A church pastor would tell you to double down on the self hatred while calling you possessed by demons.
Inadvertently, you would like hearing that because you'd rather hear that satan is playing with your soul, rather than believing the obvious but painful truth that you are simply gay and you don't belong in the churches your parents forced you to attend for so long.
Faced with such unbearable cognitive dissonance, you'd rather die than admit that you were wrong about gay people now that you're one of them. You just can't let go of your ego yet, and forsake the moral grandstanding that religion affords you.

Im tired of playing whack-a-mole

See, now you've been given the study and have to deflect and ignore it. I guess that's the cheaper option than reading it and schizo posting over all the ways it's wrong that France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Denmark et al don't care about.

Respond to my entire post.

I've given you my opinion. You just don't ike it.

You are a chud. We don't care about your opinion too. As you said it yourself, convincing you is not the point. This argument is for the audience. The queer audience that is struggling to deal with the queerphobia you've came here to spew, from the altar of your ignorance

Queer children suffer in the hands of conservatives like you. They will experience years of grooming and indoctrination inside churches, where they will learn to hate themselves and those like them. Many times they have no one to ask for help.

this
you are projecting. we want people to be able to be themselves. you want to bully and beat kids into submission, so we can pretend hesus died for us and fags dont exist. theres no reasoning with people like you.

why dont -you- try leaving the kids alone to be themselves, so we dont have to raise them for you??

Restrict them to social transition until 18

You mean ruin the chances of any trans girl passing, and ensure they will live a life as an easily identifiable target of your hate and discrimination?
Yeah, we all knew you were in this to ruin trannies lives.

You are a chud

Nope, but believe what you like.

We don't care about your opinion too.

That's a path to an ever shrinking group consumed by purity tests and inability to handle dissent. Very on brand for trans activism in 2025.

That's not me

Unoronically if I hated trans people maximally and wanted to maximize the long term odds of them being exterminated, I'd tell you to immutably unwaveringly double and triple down on giving cross sex hormones to 12 year olds.

The anti trans concern troll chud is also a racist

You should have said that sooner, it would have spared us all from engaging in this with honesty and sobriety, when you only deserve mockery

I cannot argue with an opponent who refuses to define their positions. You know this, which is why you never define them. You don't get to demand I reply to you after you refuse to reply to me. What did you say before, that you don't need to convince anyone here? Why then would I bother to try to convince you of anything if you don't show me the courtesy of honesty?

I'm giving you my opinion

You aren't answering any questions.

passing

trans girl but no mention of trans men

This is literally it isn't it? That's all the worry is about? How fuckable they are? Coomer pedo confirmed

That's a path to an ever shrinking group consumed by purity tests and inability to handle dissent

You just defined abrahamic religions in one post. That's probably why they shrink in newer generations as queer self identification grows

That would just make your worst nightmare come true: a generation of happy passoids who had the opportunity to live their best authentic self like you never did. A generation of trans women immune to discrimination because they pass

people looking like the average of the gender theyre presenting as is a good thing. it has nothing to do with fuckablity.
why even bring that up? why do you immediately equate transitioning to sexuality.

Yeah, people like him want you to be a hon, then blame you when you are one for having bad optics. "It's your fault for being an ugly brick!" But when you ask why you weren't allowed to transition as a teen then "But that's immoral!" They don't want you to have a reasonable out, they won't accept you for being physically masculine, and they won't accept you trying to avoid it. The point is to box you in then eliminate you while blaming you. Shouldn't have been male then, loser.

The time window for transition is different for trans men who can afford to transition later in life and go through the wrong puberty but still pass. It's the irreversible power of testosterone

You aren't answering any questions.

Fine, let's play this out in small, disctete steps for you.

>I DID ask you if you think transgender teens should be taught to hate themselves and be abused and you refused to answer. Answer it.

No.

but denying childhood transition necessitates that!

Nope. Black and white thinking, not even in evidence as a statistical outcome on the national or OECD stage

but muh Texas

A singular law that hasn't even passed yet and should it pass will affect maybe 6% of kids nationwide is not the compelling evidence you need to demonstrate the false dichotomy you claim.

You aren't answering any questions.

Becausw they're retarded and transparently attempting to lead.

I'm not a chud

Africans are not humans

Wolf in sheep's clothing sowing division.

Yes, that is a matching definition. Doesnt that embarass you?

That would just make your worst nightmare come true: a generation of happy passoids who had the opportunity to live their best authentic self like you never did

Except the evidence available describes the exact opposite - a sharp erosion of trans and gay support correlating strongly with trans activists refusing to budge on GAC. If you don't see that, then GLHF, 4real.

Africans are not humans

Huh? I'm not even following you on how you reached on that one.
Nvm that the majority of tranners on this board probably would echo that sentiment lol.

Yes that's true. They want transwomen to suffer, one way another. They only accept passoids, while actively making it harder for any passoid to exist. They want trans extermination, nothing less nothing more.
Having hons walking around is useful for their campaign because not only they are 'bad optics" but they're also easily identifiable and can be a target of hate forever.
Their goal is to make sure you don't exist. They don't care if you kill yourself, they just want trannies gone

No.

Then you must oppose conversion therapy and the authority of parents and churches in suppressing their transgender teens' identities.

Nope

Not an argument. "You're not allowed to identify as transgender as a teen." Well, what do you do when they do anyway? You can't stop them, unless you beat them.

A singular law that hasn't passed yet

A singular law that's in line with your beloved CASS review's recommendation. The point is to show what the people you are supporting want for us instead.

Only effect 6%

Far cry from the 'nobody' you insisted on earlier, isn't it?

Doesnt that embarass you

No because that definition doesn't fit us, hence why a chud like you used it.
Religiousness is dwindling with each generation, even in islam.
Queer identification is growing.
We clearly see the marching of time before our very eyes, towards freedom

A singular law that's in line with your beloved CASS review's recommendation.

The cass review doesn't recommend conversion therapy. Nor has the NHS switched to conversion therapy. This is the sort of schizoposting that leads to me not bothering to address the rest of your posts, because if you respond like this, why even bother?

No because that definition doesn't fit us

rejection of evidence or criticism that is uncomfortable

othering dissent as an outside voice to be discarded

denying that any actual outside voices need to be considered or weighed

Seems to fit just fine. Perhaps you'd like "cult" instead, less spiritual that way.

the evidence available describes the exact opposite

Earlier transition is linked with better mental health for trannies, though. Faulty reports can't compete with unbiased scientific trials.

Once again pretending to be "worried" about public opinion shifting against trannies

But you have nothing but silence to respond to the growing numbers of queer people themselves. Clearly you are too worried about what straight people are thinking to see the actual historical trend taking place before your eyes.

The cass review doesn't recommend conversion therapy.

Yes it does, it suggests that experts should try the equivalent of conversion therapy instead. No, it doesn't call it 'conversion therapy', but counseling to accept their biological sex is the same thing.

>rejection of evidence

That's you whenever the evidence shows that transition is better for trannies than repression
As usual with conservatives, your accusations are confessions in disguise

I said that one. my only post in the thread :3

Still not answering my entire post, huh?

Earlier transition is linked with better mental health for trannies, though

The current systemic reviews disagree, and governments are listening to them.
The evidence I was referring to isn't the study evidence, though. It's the evidence that being uncompromising and cult-like on childhood GAC has correlated strongly with the current blowback.

The out voice that wants queer children to suffer more can be safely disregarded just like your racism can be disregarded as anti intellectualism and prejudice

Self acceptance leads to accepting inadequacy

Self hatred leads to self improvement

Quite literally the opposite of reality.

I have never seen someone who genuinely hates themselves "improve" in a single way. I have only seen them languish further and further into depravity and desperation until they either learn to love themselves and recover or die in misery.

If only you could claim anything anonymously

Except it doesn't compel them to accept their current biological sex. It seeks to rule out psychological comorbidities as a precursor cause and to verify their dysphoria isn't transient. You may not like that as compared to the dutch protocols, but suggesting that's conversion therapy is retarded and another data point that the public at large pays attention to.

The explanation why is self-contained and self-referred desu

Whatevs :P

Just like the government listened to faulty research about vaccines correlating to autism? Time will fix this by revealing the faulty premises of biased studies. More and more data available will make the benefit of transition even clearer than it already is.

The weight of evidence currently doesn't support your own claim, and governments are acting on that fact. So which is it?

I only follow evidence when its evidence I like

their evidence is wrong abd nad abd I'm totally not engaging in cult like thinking btw

DQSH started from a (((usual suspect))) because Republican man bad and this would piss off Republicans

well, it succeeded

Time will fix this by revealing the faulty premises of biased studies.

That's certainly possible in the long ta. But it's also a bit rich to say given that the company line 10 years ago was that the science was settled despite zero longitudinal studies backing it up.