do you actually read any feminism or are you just another useless idiot being used for their motte and bailey
feminine traits as less than
lol see, you know. it's because of that core idea that feminism always ends up as misandrist garbage even at its best. it thinks anything men suffer is a result of misogyny. the fact you don't see that as a problem is why i hate you people so much. narcissism.
oh well in that case patriarchy clearly doesn't exist in modern society
it partially exists but is withering away. even western societies retain a lot of vestigial norms that made sense as part of it but don't in isolation (for instance, a man asking a woman's father for his permission to marry her is still common where i grew up, even though no one involved thinks he actually needs that permission).
there's also a kind of fake feminism, tightly correlated with TE"RF"ism, that wants to keep the part where women get special protection because they're reproductive assets and keep absolute power over their children while not having any of the restrictions, not understanding the ways in which those things are all tied together.
i've often said that if you look at what TERFs actually want, it's not feminist liberation but to be a genderswapped version of the roman paterfamilias.
why are you so mad about people acknowledging that the root of the social problems men face is misogyny?
men can't express emotions, men are told to be stoic, isolated and self-reliant to their own detriment, men arent allowed to express themselves with sensitivity, men aren't allowed close friendships.
why?
because it's girly, faggy, weak, gay sissy shit.
what the fuck else do you call that if not misogyny?
do you think that by acknowledging that the root of these issues is misogyny we're taking the focus off of men? because no, that's not how that works, misogyny also affects men evidently.
why isn't it misandry when women are punished for not being conventionally feminine?
Because it's misogyny. Don't you get it? Misogyny is all that exists so whenever anything I don't like happens it's because people hate women (I am a woman btw)
it's not misandry because women being punished for being masculine is not born of a hatred of men, it's born of a hatred of women trying to embody men, because it's a position "above them" and they should stay in their place. the idea is women should be passive and pretty, any woman that tries to be strong is seen as gross, unnatural, annoying, tarnished.
it's not something that really stands out too much nowadays but pay a little more attention and you'll see it here and there.
the way people talk about women who are *actually* masculine, the way people talk about FtMs as though they're silly little girls trying to reach a position too far above them, the way people talk about women who get breast reductions, women who try to be funny, women who sleep around, women who tell crude jokes.
these are all things most people think it's fine for men to do but when a woman does it it's met with disgust and annoyance.
it's the same reason why men being punished for feminity isn't misandry, it's not a hatred of men, it's a hatred of men trying to embody women because thats a position that is beneath them.
nobody who calls men with long hair faggots because they hate women. Hating gay men is not downstream from hating women. Just like nobody who calls a woman a dyke for having short hair is doing so out of hatred for men
this is why it's so hard to take things like patriarchy seriously, because it comes from people who blame literally everything on men or misogyny.
the only post itt i understand
it's not misandry because women being punished for being masculine is not born of a hatred of men, it's born of a hatred of women trying to embody men, because it's a position "beneath them" and they should stay in their place. the idea is women should be passive and pretty, any woman that tries to be strong is seen as gross, unnatural, annoying, tarnished.
it's the same reason why men being punished for feminity isn't misandry, it's not a hatred of men, it's a hatred of men trying to embody women because thats a position that is above them.
because it comes from people who blame literally everything on men
why do you guys cling so hard to this idea of feminism just being a vessel to shit on men? why is there never any nuance or seemingly no attempt whatsoever to actually understand and engage?
I've probably said in this thread alone about half a dozen times, men are also hurt by the patriarchy, the patriarchy is propped up by EVERYONE, men do not necessarily benefit from the patriarchy.
why then is this idea of this being some covert "misandry" thread so fucking embedded in your head?
w-what if I gweentexted the post but den instead uv just weaving it I switched duh words awound so dat it was actuwully saying duh opposite!! hehe, that'll show doze friggin miss andrizstz! im so smart!