Having tranny friends as a passoid is so exhausting

talk about being happy about my body and face finally

greeted with 10 minutes of mental breakdown because Im apparently bragging and trying to make them feel bad

complain about anything trans related

10 minute lecture about my privilege and how they have it worse

EVERY TIME. I FUCKING HATE THIS DHIT

sorry that was me

Your first mistake was having non passers as friends. They will always resent you and make problems where there aren't any. Just distance yourself and get new friends on your level

trvth nvke, but at the same time, just hangout with other passoids..
its way more fun and they r normal usually

one of the people who does this IS A PASSOID. she just doesn't like that I'm intersex.

GIGATRVKE

that person isn’t ur friend, friends listen to eachother and support eachother

jeez thts insufferble sry

Idk I think it depends a lot on how you do this. I had a cisf friend once who constantly talked about how "conventionally attractive" she is and how literally everyone who is attracted to women wants to fuck her, so if that's what you're doing I can definitely understand why your friends would be annoyed. But if it's just saying you like your body and face then they're clearly overreacting and you should get better friends

omg i love being rich teehee i used to be sooo poor but now look at all my money

WHY AREN'T MY POORFAG FRIENDS BEING SUPPORTIVE OF MY NEW YACHT REEE

I'm so sorry for you but that's just how it goes with mentally ill people
just try to not talk about it.... keep in my that being like u is prob their deepest desire and the fact that they can't makes them sad and resentful

Tell them that you don't experience less pain just because others feel worse or have less resources. And tell them that millionaires and beautiful kill themselves because privilege can make you weak stop becoming a strength. So they don't get to monopolize suffering, as much as they want to be the undisputed kings of suffering. And tell them it's ugly to make suffering your entire personality.

true. I can maybe vent but ill never get to share that im happy with my progress

most empathetic passoid

say you are happy

YOU ARE EVIL. I AM SAD

say you are sad

YOU ARE EVIL. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPY. I AM SAD

empathy 100

I can never vent, ever. They just ignore it or tell me I have privilege.
I thought trans people could get it which is why I started hanging with them more but no.

that beautiful people kill themselves and privilege can make you weak so it stops becoming a strength*

maybe you should hang out with fellow passoids

Cool humblebrag.

I hang out with both. the problem then becomes I'm intersex so my trans experience is less valid than theirs. it's exhausting.

complain on anonymous message board

UR UHM LE BRAGGING

you should genuinely neck yourself

Brag to someone's face about something they'll never achieve

wow i'm the victim in this situation

Complains about mundane things that literally won't affect you long term in your life because you're treated like every other cis women (who don't have any problems)

wow i'm the victim in this situation feel bad for me please

ahaha gotem

if I was rich I wouldn't talk about how much I love having money around poor people

the problem then becomes I'm intersex so my trans experience is less valid than theirs

ok sounds like your friends are just assholess
yeah exactly. You dont feel empathy. Its okay. People are allowed to complain about their issues. Real friends hear them out and comfort them despite their own problems

it is less valid
intersex passoid btfo

it's more about overcoming my self hatred I struggled with my entire life because I'm finally comfortable in my body which is something anyone should go wow I'm very happy for you about

If you are a post-op passoid you literally have nothing to complain about genuinely, you're living life on easy mode at this point if you stealth and can't even feel 1% of the pain the average hon feels on a daily basis, quit being bitch

it is less valid

I still have to take HRT and grew up male just like everyone else.

post-op

OH NO GET THIS. ONE OF THE THINGS I COMPLAINED ABOUT AND GOT TOLD I WAS BRAGGING IS THAT I CANT GET SRS COVERED BECAUSE I CANT DO PENILE INVERVERSION BECAUSE I HAVE A MICROPENIS

There is no life before you transition

and I'm not stealth, I'm very very openly trans because I think it's important to be to show solidarity with other trans people

There is no life before you transition

lmao bitch is living as a woman and still mad they called her gay in middle school, maybe get therapy.

And I'm not stealth

Then stop fucking complaining. It's like a lactose intolerant person drinking a gallon of milk and complaining about how drinking milk affects them so much. Actual narcissist behavior lol

you are so obnoxious even setting aside being an ungrateful passoid you are the a activist type who thinks being trans is a political statement so any negative attention you get is a choice

it's le bad to try to support other trans people any way you can in a time when it's most needed

I am le supporting other trans people by shitting on them

with allies like these...

so true. venting about an exhausting social situation on Anon Babble is the same as shitting on all trannies ever and being an anti trans activist.

holy self absorption

It's not close to 99%, there are quite a few people. 99% on discord absolutely. 99% of trans girls probably. But people? No I'd drop that to maybe 70-80, who can handle the people they are around being better than them in any aspect.

I do not appreciate people who are extremely jealous especially telling OP that jealousy and jealous outbursts, should be accepted. It is a character FLAW. It is weakness, necessarily. It doesn't matter if OP brags or not or is suffering or not. Anyone who cares out of jealousy is insecure and you don't have the pass to make your problems other's problems.

this is stupid, it's like saying you shouldn't care about accidentally making a kid cry because they are flawed and cry easily. Any good person, (rare), would just try to not make the kid cry

Sorry I mean 20-30% can handle it. 70-80 cant.

im a dumb boymoder and i wish i had a doll passoid friend ;-;

I disagree because people need to take responsibility for their emotions amd actions if they want to be free of them. I'm proposing a healthy mindset with better outcomes for everyone. The same way a child cries about eating greens. He needs to eat greens, the things the child (jealous person) cries about is invalid and crrates more issues to leave alone, for everyone.

why do you not care how isolating it is? cis people will never be able to understand this stuff and the only people who could get it treat me like shit when I try to talk about it. Why is it always me me me. I listen to them, I support them and celebrate their wins, but when I need support or just someone to relate to I'm just not allowed that.

I have a really curvy body and people wrote "I want to kill myself" when I showed it. When I make internet friends I don't need anyone to know how I'm content with my body and appearance or how I just live as a woman. It at worst breeds envy which doesn't help me, at best it gives me a fleeting ego boost and I don't gain anything out of a 5 second compliment of someone thinking I'm pretty.

From experience growing up in a broken home it kind of pissed me off when people would go into detail about having a normal holiday with their normal family and then go "my mom was being kind of cringe ugg she was virtue signaling". My thought was always "you should automatically assume I don't want to hear about this because you have something I never will and you're rubbing it in my face". It pissed me off so much that they would know this about me and dangle it in my face anyway. Why couldn't they just be happy with what they have and not seek my input on it? I was truly resentful about it like in the Nietzschean sense of resentment. But in recent years I just kind of let all that go and don't mind if people have those things.

Basically your friends need to either work towards achieving their will to pass or they need to master their own will so that they genuinely no longer desire passing and can make peace with their circumstances.

cis people will never understand being happy with how you look? are you joking?

ok, but this is a moot point because 99.99% of people just don't have the cognitive capacity for that

I also come from a broken home and got abused like crazy, the insane thing is most of these people didnt go through ANY OF THAT and I still get happy for them and listen to them complain about stuff with their family.
yes anon cis people dont understand dysphoria and the trans experience, shocker.

Wow, that is some next level copium lol.

It's not like burying your feelings of inadequacy would make you pass more, though.

This is what I'm saying but people here can't tell the difference between you trying to help them be self confident and self aware (to stop being jealous) and you being mean. You can tell them jealousy is bad all day long but at the end of the day they would rather be jealous than not, because jealousy is a coping mechanism and without that they truly have nothing, just reality which is terrifying and painful. That is, unless you give them something to replace what they lose when you tell them jealousy is bad. But that transition is too scary for them.

They do it's just a matter of your patience with them. They aren't stupid infact I catch them lying to me and they also lie to themselves more often than you think about how appropriate their behavior is and how appropriate the behavior is of those they lash out at. Which means they aren't mentally retarded or sociopathic. They just have stupid ideas and selfish coping mechanisms.

Because you don't really get how they feel either. You can achieve your goals, they can't. Should they take this out on you? Absolutely not, but you just will never get what it's like to be literally incapable of making it.

Even assuming we are in your world, being stupid and acting stupid have no material difference and interacting with either is insufferable, equally as insufferable as it would be to interact with someone like OP

passing is bragging

shut up retard

Yes some issues do no have solutions that is one things I know very intimately. Which means nothing can replace the bad coping mechanism sometime and their options are depression or to have negative coping mechanisms. Some people are beyond help. Most aren't.

this basically, the reason you don't want to talk to cissoids is the exact same you just aren't self aware in the slightest. You will never understand the experience of a hon, you will never understand the "full" trans experience. simple as

yet they rely on me for support and come to me when they're happy about their transition, yeah okay dude.

bragging is bragging inbred

Then stop fucking hanging around those idiots? Instead of this dumbass self pity party? you're no different to them

me personally I dont invalidate my friends no matter what they do when they talk to me actually. also if you get so bothered by someone complaining on Anon Babble you can simply hide post retard

All I said was that you won't understand their problem. You can understand their general condition, but just not the feeling of never passing. I'm not trying to claim it's right for them to take it out on you or that it's fair, but it is what it is. To them, hearing you is a big shovel hitting them over the head with how impossible their dreams are. They shouldn't see you that way, but they do, and that isn't a feeling you're familiar with so you just won't get it. You can't.

it’s not bragging to just look like a girl. bragging is when u keep talking about how well u pass to someone who doesn’t, not passing itself

Ur just a self righteous virtue signaling prick who is also just wallowing in self pity. You sound genuinely like an insufferable person to exist near

talk about being happy about my body and face finally

Are you perchance illiterate?

I am making moral statements on whether or not people who can change should change. If you remember our conversation started with what is best for everyone. What is best is that liars change, I do not care who is suffering for any other reason. Not all suffering is valid, if you think it is it's not because you have OPs interest at heart or the interests of those who are jealous. I have their interests at heart because what I suggest brings more happiness for everyone. If you think I'm wrong say why if not we're thru.

REAL
I also hate how hanging out with non passers you can feel you losing your soul as they think that if they wear what you wear and like what you like they can end up like you when like no, you can't pass because you're 6 foot five and when you shave in the morning you have stubble by lunchtime
and what happens is what makes you, you is now associated with half a dozen hons

don't laugh at their unfunny videos they send and boom you now have to interrupt what you're doing to talk them down from killing themselves

you trying to help them be self confident

Can't be self-confident if you don't look like a woman, anon. Nobody WANTS to be anything else; anything short of it is a failure. Nobody can be confident in failure.

Well if we're talking about passing, then it really is a beyond help issue.

again this is dumb. what's best for everyone is they all be happy all the time and nice and ladeedadeeda. That's not reality and never will be

This is the type of inbred OP is, she's just brave enough or mentally ill enough, to outright say it

The thing is jealous people rarely explore other options, jealousy isnt something you engage in because you were thorough about your self reflection and options as far as changing your body, enviornment etc. This is rarely the case. That is also why I promote changing yourself if you are jealous, there is a good chance you can stop being jealous, I don't write it off as unfixable because one gear of the machine will not move.

And sidenote dysphoria isn't curable outside of transitions psychiatrists say, and I am well aware. Jealousy and dysphoria aren't the same issue which is apart of why there is room to explore.

other options

Anon, I don't think you get the context of this conversation. We're not just talking about jealousy in vague, like this conversation could equally apply to complaining that your friend has blonde hair. We're talking about trying to pass a an mtf. There IS no alternative, you do or you do not. There's no alternative, if you don't pass you either have to accept being and being treated as a freak until you die or you don't.

you're retarded and annoying

you're actually talking about envy :3

k

You're both in the wrong
alternatively, neither of you is in the wrong

but mostly:
just another shit day in trannyland, where nobody wins
hrt for youngshits, NOW

There's no alternative, if you don't pass you either have to accept being and being treated as a freak until you die or you don't.

This is interesting be ause just within this statement alone you've missed the fact people can have dysphoria for a plethora of reasons. For example what is passing, is it being acceptable to others or being acceptable to yourself. If someone stops caring about being acceptable to others and instead to themselves, suddenly being a "freak" takes on a whole new meaning and you find yourself no longer being jealous of someone revieve compliments for instance.

There are many complexes that can lead one to feeling jealous regardless of if it's all about passing and it's irresponsible to handwave them without proper context.

Yea theres never a good time to be happy about being lucky and effort paying off, but what hurts more is on bad days you can't talk to anyone that could get it.

personally:

pass well enough to not be able to to talk about it with non-passing trans women

not pretty/cute enough fully feel comfortable opening up to passing trans women

come across as etherial androgynous alienface 'hot' more than cute architype so I can't talk to cis women about it without effecting their body image (since they idolize that more than being cute[inmyexperience])

revive

receiving

Chill it's fine.

that’s called just being happy, not bragging. like if i win the lottery am i supposed to not tell ppl cuz they might get jealous?

yes retard don't go around to homeless people telling them you won the lottery holy shit you are evil

who says i’m telling them? i’m just telling my friends, is that not allowed?

I really don't think you get to say that without finishing our little online debate-o, you know the one. Lying about how destructive your jealousy is is more evil than people making you jealous. You cause more longterm damage to yourself than any one comment can possible do to you.

So you're basically saying you're the homeless of sexuality and you never ever want to hear of anyone's passing success? You must be a delight to be around...

If your friends are homeless that's even more reason to not tell them, again you are just evil dude

You're like those incels on Anon Babble that freak out when anyone mentions they had sex ever, just a more demented tranny version

I'm not a hon dumbass I'm just not a retard. yes, hons are the homeless to the passoid's wealth. I don't wanna hear about peoples passing bc I don't give a shit about it. Nice try at manipulation though, roach

And you are like a cockroach, i love le random comparisons

I wasn't sold until you added dude. Dude goes way too hard. I think I need to get that on a t-shirt.

they’re not homeless retard they just didn’t win it, and they’d still be happy cuz friends r happy for eachother. u sound like such a bitterhon rn, do u get angry if ur tranny friend gets ffs?

What if you just like up and decided that being a creepy weirdo in public was totally fine!?

Are you even human

I'm not a hon

said the tripfag

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

she just doesn't like that I'm intersex.

Oh my fucking god another intersex trans woman who gets it
I think the ABSOLUTE WORST is when trannies be like "I wish I was intersex" NO YOU FUCKING DON'T

Would you be happy for your friend if they became a hand model on the same day a bear mangled your hands and you were told you'd never be able to wipe our own ass again?

holy shit go get some dick or something already

Yes because there aren't people who no one bothers about being a tranny who are still act like bitter children or are depressed. It's not like the control you have over your enviornment or your reactions is a spectrum at all. You have NO CHOICE but to be and insecure raging trannycel because you can't handle running naked through the streets. Self confidence is the same as running naked through the streets. We shouldn't even question ourselves.

Being a hon is not "not winning" retard, that's like a semipassoid. Being a hon is being homeless. Again you fucking retards are illiterate and I'm not saying the jealous trannies are justified. Both parties here are insufferable idiots
you serve no purpose in life
this basically
not possible

intersex trans woman

How does that work? Born herm or something, made into a male after birth, then transition to female later?

what even is this scenario? come up with something sensible, this is ur friend wins the lottery and u don’t, ur friend passes and u don’t, ur not having anything bad happen to u. its not an extreme scenario u retard

While we are naked literally just run at full speed to the next person who looks you in the eyes. People looking you in the eyes actually means they want to eat you you have to eat them before they eat you.

there aren't people who no one bothers about being a tranny who are still act like bitter children or are depressed

You're moving the goalpost. We're not talking about some vague "insecure trannies who pass but don't think they do" group. We're talking about ones who straight out don't. They can't just be 'not bothered' when people are talking behind their backs at best and giving them verbal shit at worst. You could maybe move to some Californian city full of other weirdos and nobody would care, but other than being impossibly expensive that means investing yourself in those fetish subcommunities that populate such places.

Nah, because the point of comparison is that you have something your friend never can have. It's not "you have something better than what your friend also has" like you both have nice cars but yours is a convertible. It's much more like you have that wonderful convertible and your friend has to ride a rusty unicycle to work in 100 degree weather.

Born herm or something

OP here all I got was a micropenis and bitch tits it's not even like a huge difference I just had a weak puberty and some gyno basically which is why it makes it all the more absurd it's used to invalidate my struggles

ur not having anything bad happen to u

As a transsexual not passing is literally the worst thing that can happen to you related to your condition outside of someone flipping out and beating you in the street (which not passing makes more likely.)

no it’s like ur friend is clocky and ur not, ur friend could pass with ffs and effort. but instead they’re crying about u bragging and refuse to put in any effort

ur not having anything bad happen to u

being hon is not bad guys!!! wait so why is OP happy she passes? idiota

incels and trannies are so desperate for human affection that they compare it to having your hands mauled by a bear

I will never understand this. Sex is NOT that important, you just need more of it and shut the fuck up

I am not moving goalposts I literally just said consider the spectrum of behavior that jealousy over not passing encompasses. Not passing is vague which is why I said it's a spectrum and you shouldn't hand that with vague generalizations. OPs post doesn't actually describe any of her tranny friends, so ypu can craft the most incurable mentally ill tranny you want and say I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS TRANNY. DARTH TRANNY. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HER, SHE HAS NO LIMBS YOU CANT FIX THIS. It doesn't change the fact that you keep making excuses for jealousy without context. Stop doing that. It is lying.

Sex is NOT that important, you just need more of it

this shit legitimately made me drop a few IQ points. How can you say something so oxymoronic with such confidence

this just isn't a fair thing to say, I got abused as a kid, my friend never did, I don't complain when they talk about their happy family, I get happy for them, even when they have some issues with their family I'm super empathetic about it. you can't be like "no they have it worse so it's okay"

not possible

stop being a tripfag and maybe you will

i’m not saying being a hon isn’t bad, it just not comparable to an accident that makes u deformed

ur friend could pass with ffs and effort

This isn't true of everyone, anon.
I'd say the difference is that you can leave your family behind, but nobody can ever leave their own body behind.

I'm just more based than you. Simple as.

yeah and I did, i don't have a dad at all now, yet I don't complain when my friend talks about their dad and their happy memories with him or some issues they have with him

OP did say she has non-passing friends. She also said she has a passing friend who still complains, and nobody has really defended that one.

their friend is a clocky twinkhon at worst, gigahons tend to become honfident

I'd say the difference is that you can leave your family behind

also you realize child abuse permanently effects your thinking and perception of the world right? this is an insane thing to say to victim of child abuse to try to make it seem like not passing is worse

Let's just there's someone with a terrible family AND who doesn't pass. Do you think empathizing with the bad family would help that person with the fact that they don't pass? It generally won't, because empathy or having something nice doesn't really 'make up' for other problems. Because they are separate issues. It's like how having lots of friends doesn't make up for being romantically lonely.

I was a herbivore before tripfagging, they aren't related
It quite literally is
Impossible

I said in this thread passing can mean anything.

This is interesting be ause just within this statement alone you've missed the fact people can have dysphoria for a plethora of reasons. For example what is passing, is it being acceptable to others or being acceptable to yourself.

again with the fucking virtue signaling and self pity jesus christ

Passing literally cannot mean anything. It means one thing, which is "people in public assume you are your desired sex." Anything else, like "They thought I was a woman over the phone" or "It was midnight on a new moon and they assumed I was a woman" is a cope.

no that's not what I'm saying at all, I'm using myself as an example of someone who handles situations even where someone objectively has it better in a normal way because they're my friend.

Why did that post upset you so much?

im a none passer, who lives in seettle, any transbians?
im used to passoids

It can mean anything because people's definitions of pass and immediate perceptions differ. I've seen peoole I'd never imagine would get clocked get clocked and the opposite.

Don't try to guilt trip someone whose mother tried to scratch their face off. I'm just saying they're different kinds of issues. Yes, abuse leads to permanent damage. But you can leave the abusers behind. You can move on, even if you have scars. You can't move away from your body though, you are stuck with it.
I'm glad you can handle your issues, and again, it's not fair for people to hold their biology against you, but all I'm trying to make you understand why it makes them unhappy to hear about your happiness.

I think it's just that they don't pass so my thread made them really upset, and they're trying to find something to morally impugn me for that's why I stopped engaging with them because they don't seem very well

Yeah anon I'm sure you did, and that's why everyone should be okay with being treated like a freak in public.

'm glad you can handle your issues, and again, it's not fair for people to hold their biology against you, but all I'm trying to make you understand why it makes them unhappy to hear about your happiness

it's just no excusable to expect me to have empathy for you in every capacity then freak out when I want the same, sorry. it's exhausting and isolating to be around and no one deserves to be treated like that by people who claim to be their friend

Maybe, but my goal isn't tell you who you should hang out with or to tell you what's expected of you. I'm trying to express to you why they feel the way they do.

im a lateshit who usually hangs with youngshits or midshits, lateshits are annoying

That's because lateshits are the least likely to pass.

I'm just trying to vent in here about an experience I've had you really don't have to play defense for these people

Don't put words in my mouth I've already told you my claim is dysphoria induced jealousy can be cured and those that can cure it should. No more no less. And you gave up on combating that mild af stance because it hurts you deeply to give an inch on this issue lol. I could never.

You won't combat it or admit I'm right so you're pretty done.

I'm not upset I just use expletives liberally

go put salt in a garden simewhere

Oh you aren't discordia. Well same thing, either address my actual argument or idc.

Public venting leads to public comment. I'm defending them, even if only a little, because I can empathize with them. I'm not attacking you, because I agree that taking their feelings out on you is unfair to you. Nobody involved in this is a monster, but there's reasons behind why these people are being unfair.

It's not what goes into a mans mouth which defiles him, it's what comes out of it

I've already told you my claim is dysphoria induced jealousy can be cured and those that can cure it should.

And my point is that not everyone can cure it because non-passers don't have any options. Ugly passers can, yes, passers who need makeup can, passers who had to get surgery can. But there are some people, anon, who will never pass no matter what. Those people can't be helped to stop being jealous, because by the condition of dysphoria, they are desiring something they can't have, or even affect.

that's deep, but a dick going in a mans mouth is definitley defiling

For me, yeah. I have scars on my dick from the penile reconstruction surgeries
Its awful knowing I could've been flat down there and now I've got a pseudopeen with one testicle and a repurposed ovary in my ball sack
They fucked me up and the urologist said he can't fix it so I either get a horrible srs or just suffer as a dickgirl

AHAHAHA
THAT WAS A BIBLE QUOTE AND YOU SAID IT WAS DEEP
CHECKMATE ATHEIST

just hang out with women, dudes, and animals.
problem solve

cut through "people" like a magma blade through i cant believe its not daddy butter.

And my point is that not everyone can cure it because non-passers don't have any options

Then don't generalize jealousy in hons as okay when it isn't. Are you capable of that? Because if you don't do that there is nothing to disagree on but the second you do that we have issues. What you seem like you're going to do is just say this is a hon, they have a right to be jealous and you can't tell them to change. Even though you don't know if they can get over their jealously or not. It seems like your only standard for justifying childish behavior is someone you percieve as worse off needs to vent at someone else's expense.

Also OP if you want a microlabel to separate yourself from your clocky hon friends, look up "ultergender" and start using it
We're a minority inside a minority (trans intersex women) so of course we're gonna have intersectional problems, despite the fact all of these catty bitches ITT want to erase our lived experience

these botches are gon arm up and kill U cause jelly Wow KEK, stay away from them

persecution complex

Jealousy is something you can't help feeling. It's okay to feel jealous, just like it's okay to feel angry or sad. What can not be okay is how you express that jealousy, like taking it out on your friend as happened to OP.

complain to unlucky downtrodden people about your life that is 10 times better than theirs

they're upset about it

wow really???

I hate the west, I hate living in a world filed with xoloureds and muds

Only an insane person thinks jealousy is okay and that's not the kind of person Im trying to address. For non insane people who want to stop feeling jealousy instead of winning an internet arguement its a bad thing. And that's a lie that you cant help it, many people who used to be jealous over things stop being jealous over those things. Stop making excuses for jealousy.

Yes, genuine friendship can only happen between people of the same status.

Good, move to Russia. They'll treat you real nice in whitopia over there

Explains dog people

Explains dog people

real

no one is saying that. the point is that you shouldn't complain or brag about your life to people who have it worse than you unless they give you permission or prompt you to do so.

Realistically I think this is true in most cases