THIS IS CNN: Establishment Media Declared Trans Sports NEW MLK

Trans women in female sports has been declared the new civil right movement by CNN and ESPN!
All of the government, banks, establishment and Hollywood is pushing trans
80% of Americans don’t support the trans movement? >“They’re wrong,” declared CNN experts.

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stop picking this as the hill to die on holy shit

This shit is a distraction, I'm worried about having my healthcare taken away not whether lilith can play varsity volleyball

literally even trannies dont support this bullshit who tf does?

seethe. trans women literally have no advantage post hrt. If anything they’re at a huge disadvantage. You’re just bowing to the mob

maybe if trannies werent being hondosed by retarded doctors to the point their endocrine system is identical to any other guy

yes, if they actually take a non-hondose for many years. And that's very hard to check, not only would you have to constantly monitor the girl for all these years, but hormone blood tests are notoriously easy to cheat. It would be far too easy for someone to claim they have cis female muscle mass and strength because of hrt, when in reality they basically didn't take hrt at all

Easy
1. Tests every 3 months
2. Force to use longer lasting injections monitored at doctor's office
Atp anybody trying to cheat that is probably already a repper and will break/adhere after half a year

why would I ever want to be part of the military lmao this is a good thing

declared CNN experts

okay this is retarded misinformation.
the show is literally a table of people with different political backgrounds debating issues. you're just quoting the liberal extremist saying "cnn said" or "cnn thinks"

and who exactly is going to pay for all the tests and the additional organization needed?

what about the trans people who do? i want to join the noaa corps one day :(

Tests are cheap as dirt, and for "monitoring" of the injections you need basic cctv check + the injection being performed at the doctor's office

why tho? why fight and risk your life for a country that doesn't give a damn about you?

Wow, did a Xitter grifter tell you CNN said that? It must be true then... it's not like it's owned by a hyper-partisan Republican freak rigging the algorithms to spread lies.

liberal support for trans people in women's sports is actually just a sneaky way for them to not support the actual main pressing issue for trans people which is access to healthcare because it's still a bridge too far for most of them when you push them on it, and they don't really care that much about sport, let alone women's sport, in the first place.

bc maybe one day they will... like i was always told growing up. ig it might be a false hope though

cis men athletes are not going to chemically castrate themselves in order to win a less prestigious competition and make a bunch of people mad at them
trans women athletes don't actually want to hondose themselves
this is not an actual problem if you're enforcing literally any standard at all. the problem you want to stop is high school boys designating themselves as female while taking zero actual actions to transition so they can bully girls. enforcing hrt literally at all completely stops that problem.

one test done in a lab is more than $100. And you also need to pay for these weekly visits to the doctor where they'll inject you. And you need to pay for the additional organization to keep track of a player's hormones and monitored injections. Again, who's going to pay for this?

It is backed by research studies.

the problem is men don't need to chemically castrate themselves. They can just cheat on hormone tests, like they do with steroids. Did you even read my comment?

100$?? That's fucking ridiculous, where are they doing these tests

They can just cheat on hormone tests, like they do with steroids.

i don't actually think this is a threat model worth worrying about. to be clear, you are worried about elite male athletes publicly identifying as women, refusing to take hormones except when they expect to be tested, and then dominating the competition with the male performance they retain?
have you not noticed that this person's life would suck ass? there's a reason nobody has tried this approach in elite sports that have allowed trans women.

Well if both allies and transphobes are set to makes this the decisive civil rights issue of our time I may as well support the sporthons

how do you know nobody has tried it? If i was a tranny with an unhealthy ambition to be the best i wouldn't mind lowering my dose and cheating on a few tests

Her results did heavily drop after the start of hormone therapy so i doubt she was cheating, at worst was being hondosed which isnt really her fault imo

why does it have to destroy trans optics
someone must be paying it

based
this is not "the wrong hill to die on," this is fighting back against the constant barrage of attempts to erode our ability to exist in public life at all by people who have openly and repeatedly stated that is their intent

hrt does not change your skeleton, the only way it could be fair for trans women to compete against cis women would be if the trans women never went through male puberty. but no one under 18 should have access to hrt anyways so thats a moot point

Nigger esl thinking

cool wine aunts and dog fathers

things that the person being responding to did not say or imply for $50

retard

lmao kys retard

no u

not even sure what this means. english as a second language? what did i say that was unclear?
lmfao i dont hate trannies. i am a tranny. im just not going to capitulate my morals to appeal to the tranny hivemind cultivated in queer spaces.

male bodied persons will never be able to compete fairly against female bodied. persons. children cannot meaningfully consent to transition and restricting HRT to only be accessible to adults is a well-reasoned and sensible position.

children cannot meaningfully consent to transition

If you can drive a motor vehicle you can take hrt.

children cannot meaningfully consent to transition and restricting HRT to only be accessible to adults is a well-reasoned and sensible position.

kill yourself, pickme

restricting HRT to only be accessible to adults is a well-reasoned and sensible position.

It is, if you know literally nothing about the field except right-wing propaganda.

1.8% of minors who start on puberty blockers desist, the rest go on to take hrt and transition.
And those that do desist blockers will have normal bone density after some time has passed.

The WPATH and dutch model require support from a guardian, a sign off from a specialist doctor, AND the kid's informed consent, if not also requiring an eval.

Any endo that gave hrt to minors and didn't do all that violated standards.

There's no reason to throw 98.2% of trans youth under the bus because of a 1.8% that desist from BLOCKERS.

Not to mention, it's unreasonable to make it so that adults don't have access to informed consent.
The combination of outright OUTLAWING instead of regulating doctors to follow EXISTING standards for <18 transgender healthcare, PREVENTS people from meeting gatekeeping and safety checks that would have dissuaded them from transitioning.

Most detransitioner testimonies I've seen online have involved people who started taking hrt in their late teen's/early 20's, and had they entered the system as teenagers and been screened, they would, I believe, have been less likely to have made this mistake with informed consent.

sports are not inherently unfair. anyone can play sports if they want to, any gender, any age. barring some physical disability. its a matter of playing sports /competitively/ which is unfair, and only the most athletically and genetically gifted people will be able to do so at a competitive level. if youre a troon and you wanna sport, go ahead, join an intramural sports team. dont try to deprive a person born female of a spot on a team when you trained with male advantages for a couple decades
this is nonsense. people like Jazz Jennings with her micropeen due to not going thru puberty and the fact that she had srs complications due to it is a great example. i transitioned in my 20s, im not permanently miserable or living a marginal life. i think on your last point, if they have had persistent well documented gender dysphoria for 5 years or more and are at least 16, it should be considered with parental approval. that's the furthest extent id ever support

NOT EVEN MENTIONING THAT NOT EVERYONE WHO DETRANS/DESISTS REGRETS THEIR EXPERIENCE.

dont worry, i cover that in my response here:

lol shut up you're not accomplishing anything here

don't bother, evidence against their positions literally makes them dig in harder and commit to their expression of faith

this is nonsense. people like Jazz Jennings with her micropeen due to not going thru puberty and the fact that she had srs complications due to it is a great example.

Has Jazz Jennings ever said that she wished she started transitioning later because of this or are you using this one example to speak for her?
Also, applying topical t-gel to a micropeen causes it to grow so you can get SRS and avoid this issue.
This isn't an issue of the technology or methodology being present, it's an issue about access and transgender medicine not being taken seriously from the patient's point of view.

i transitioned in my 20s, im not permanently miserable or living a marginal life.

This is literally survivorship bias and you know it.
Maybe YOU are living a normal life, but if all youngshits were able to start hrt, then ONE HUNDERED PERCENT of trannies would be able to live normal lives.
I don't even get how you can make this point seriously unless you're just feeling defensive.

i think on your last point, if they have had persistent well documented gender dysphoria for 5 years or more and are at least 16, it should be considered with parental approval.

Add in an exception such that owning a gun, driving a car, working a job, or emancipating yourself also qualifies you as competent enough to start hrt, and allow the history of gender dysphoria to be documented as *having had* been occurring for at least 5 years and you have a deal.

What the heck is happening in this thread?

I'm taking out my stress of my fucky tranny life on Anon Babble.org

because every trans woman athlete in elite competition has had her performance drop significantly from when she was competing with the men. it's not just lia, it's all of them.

hrt does not change your skeleton, the only way it could be fair for trans women to compete against cis women would be if the trans women never went through male puberty.

this seemed reasonable to me in advance of any evidence but we've seen what trans women's actual capabilities look like now, and retaining the masculinized skeleton doesn't look like it actually matters at all. maybe in certain specific sports it does, but i've seen no evidence of that. current/recent testosterone level (and stuff downstream of it, like muscle mass) appears to account for all of the male athletic advantage.

oh yeah im the most pickme bitch on this site. shit like this is why people hate us btw. yall cant just be reasonable people and try to consider things from an outside perspective. you have to try to transition kids and have male sexed people in sports. im not even a conservative or anything. i just realize that asking too much from the 99.5% cis population is completely unreasonable and reasonableness is what is needed to get social acceptance right now.
right wing propaganda? i voted for Kamala ffs. and at no point did i suggest adults shouldnt be able to informed consent. its not about desistance rates at all. idc if 100% of them go on to take hrt. i dont think a child has the ability to decide if that is right for them, even if their parents and a doctor say it is. and it is disingenuous to ignore that hrt is not risk-free

it's a literal, unironic psyop

not a coincidence that they are talking about this shit at the same time that Israeli government officials are blatantly talking about extermination camps for Palestinians

people like Jazz Jennings with her micropeen due to not going thru puberty and the fact that she had srs complications due to it is a great example.

jazz jennings had srs complications because marci bowers is a butcher. competent surgeons have no issue working with youngshits.

yeah i realize that. im done with this thread. yall keep up with this and we will be in camps before 2030

detransitioner testimonies I've seen online

they would, I believe,

Hahahahahha

our enemies are currently associating transphobia with being a retard who crashes the economy for no reason
now is not the time to be a pickme

I feel so bad for Epstein. Nobody sticks up for him.

if I just keep doing what is making me lose, I win

She's kind of right. Normies won't recognize your minority as full human being until it can be on sports field. Only once youre in le sports are you approved for full human rights. Sports = god.

stop transitioning the kids!!!1

you do not have gender dysphoria and you do not understand it

my enemy currently has a shotgun shoved in his own mouth, i better surrender now

Neither do the kids.

idc if 100% of them go on to take hrt.

So even if we were able to guarantee that every single minor who received trans healthcare was GUARANTEED to have been trans for the rest of their lifetime, meaning that literally 0 of them would ever want to detransition, and 100% of them would have transitioned as adults anyways, they still shouldn't be allowed hrt?

What the fuck is wrong with you? Children, and I mean actual children, not teenagers as is the case with this issue, get cleft palate and other surgeries done on them JUST because their parents decide it's best for the kids future. Not even mentioning circumcision.

Do you think children can't decide that chemo is right for them if they have cancer so they shouldn't get it?

hrt is not risk-free

Getting a blood transplant when you're about to bleed out isn't "risk-free." All the evidence says that the risks of NOT transitioning are worse by factors of a hundred.

Also, fuck you.

even if their parents and a doctor say it is

So after being evaluated by a doctor, therapist, social worker, having a go ahead by the parents, and having the teenager agree that this is in their best interest, YOU get to decide no?

And what, you're trans yourself?
How did you go through the experience of being trans and not know FOR SURE what you were by the time you were 12-16?
Did you just disconnect from your own lived experience to regurgitate lowest common denominator talking points of "protect da kids" for the sake of appealing to uneducated randos?

As a trans woman yourself, I can understand the reason for siding with the anti-trans right on literally any other trans issue for some reason or another, except this one.
At what point are you just kowtowing towards accepting everything that the majority of people think, wrong or right?

literally such a false equivalency you made me a liar when i said i was done with this thread. what about gender dysphoria is a pre requisite for having an opinion on transitioning kids? i mean i obviously do, because i transitioned myself, but. what braindead sort of take is that?

lmfao that was the best possible reply to that and i love you for it nona.

also, cant make this shit up, my captcha had rogd in it. shout out to my rapid onset gender dysphoria people

If you have gender dysphoria then why would you want others to suffer it when they do not have to just because it appeases people who don't have it?

honcope

As clockwork

lmaoooo you're not joking are you

Faketroon rapehon, I bet you're also a 6'5 sissy arent you

transitioning kids

teenagers
teenagers are transitioning, kids are not

Saying "transitioning KIDS" over and over again is giving "I only read right-wing sources on this issue." HARD
You sound like Joe Rogan.

Brick behavior go be a faggot in a dress somewhere else

lol i mog tf out of each and every one of my trans friends even the ones who started in their teens. may be a twinkhon, at worst.

AND THAT'S A GOOD THING!

im dead ass serious. i will not ever be convinced that anyone, ever, should be given lupron or cross-sex hormones to treat gender dysphoria if they are under the age of 16

lol

why is that funny

fortunately, they do not have to ask you for permission

thats right! they need to governments permission, which thankfully, in most places, is revoking it.

Keep being confident lilth, it looks good on you
Unsee or you're a rapehon who wants more rapehons

im in my mid 30s, teenagers are kids. and its not like calling teens kids isnt commonplace, people say shit like "oh a bunch of high school kids were vaping in the bathroom" or whatever high schoolers are teens, but theyre often referred to as kids anyway

fuck no. this is the only place i can be honest about my opinions because of the anonymity. you know equally as well as i do that saying this shit in any other place gets you ostracized for wrongthink (not like it doesnt here, but there is no social fallout from it here, i can just leave this thread and comment elsewhere and no one would be any the wiser that they are talking to a rightwing pickme grifter hon tranny (did i miss any of the insults ITT?)

I will not be reasoned out of this position by any means

I was not reasoned into this position

Rapehon sissyhon boomer man in panties ass

lol, when the core of the argument for transitioning minors is so they pass better, why would i be convinced that this is morally right?

Actually the core of the argument is that if you're trans you have dysphoria because you have a mismatch between your body and what your brain expects your body to be which creates mental distress, and that by aligning these two things, the mental stress is ameliorated.

But thanks for using another right wing talking point, as you've been doing this whole thread, confirming once again, that you only learned about this issue through the anti-trans right.

the argument for letting trans minors transition is that
1. they want to
plus
2. outcomes seem to be better overall if we let them
for adults 1 is sufficient (plus a lack of catastrophic externalities), since they're minors we do in fact also care about condition 2, but it's obviously satisfied so we should let them.

paintball dirtbike and horse chads stay winning

immune

so if i had a kid who wanted to get an arm amputated i should let them? you know there’s such a thing as body integrity identity disorder, right? so if they feel like they shouldn’t have a left arm, why not?

kids want a lot of things, but they’re kids. they don’t know what’s best for them. if they decide as an adult to troon, that’s their prerogative

nta but im a 100% individualists so its his body to do with what he pleases, all he needs is dy ice and then no more limb, if he wans to kill himself he should be able to by an exit bag at walmart

So if I had a kid who wanted to get a tonsillectomy I should let them?
Well no, you'd have them get it if a doctor advises that it's best for them.
So if a doctor said it's best for a child to lose their arm you'd let it happen?
What do they have gangrene or something? If so, then yes, actually.

There is NO informed consent for minors.

hot take no one can ever give informed consent bc no one can see the future

that's what condition 2 is for, which applies only to minors. my position on HRT is adults can get it via pure informed consent, minors need a diagnosis.
i'm totally fine with adults doing elective amputation modulo some concerns about government funding and disability law.
skill issue

I legit think people like you who first got their tranny ideation in their late teens/early 20's are actually incapable of understanding those of us who had this shit haunting them pre-puberty. We are entirely separate species.

ill never understand giving af about what other people do to their bodies i just really dont care