Are AFAB only spaces transphobic?

Are AFAB only spaces transphobic?

Since most mtfs look more male than drag queens no

Yes. I don't know why those people don't say "cis women only" considering "afab" trans men don't trust them for this either

Afab and amab organically became woman/man because gender was always just a synonym for sex and people got tired of doing linguistic kabuki theatre

"Transphobia" is systemic oppression against trans people. It is not individual cases of behaviour.
People are not "transphobic", but their individual actions contribute to the larger, systemic problem of "transphobia."
A woman wanting AFAB-only roommates is, thus, not transphobic. But when a vast-majority of women all want AFAB-only roommates, then that woman's action is contributing to the systemic problem of transphobia.
People should feel a collective responsibility for addressing systemic problems in society, including transphobia, and want to take individual actions that help to correct for it.
People should not feel an individual responsibility to chase an unachievable goal of being "free from any-and-all biases against trans people." Our minds are stochastic, emergent phenomena in response to stimulus in our environment. You simply don't have the level of control over it.
But taking collective action to address systemic problems will gradually chip away at them, and ensure that future generations live in a world that is less fucked up, and perhaps even free from the biases we are living with today.

Fair?

AFAB only is just woke speak for

you're still a man

I'm not gonna say people can't have AFAB only apartments or w/e the fuck they wanna do, but if they've the nerve to then say

OOoooh I support all trans women, if you identify as a woman you are one

they're just virtue signaling cunts who see trannies as something akin to pets

if the dog bites someone it shouldn't have, put it down

holy shit how nauseating no wonder noboday wants to associate with the worst letters of lgbt

I agree
Total theyfab/theymab and pol lesbian death

Afabs indentify as afab before anything else

You need to understand that trans women are women. They're just another type of women like lesbian women or black women or Jewish women. It just happens to be the case that while we can talk about the difference between lesbian and straight, black and white, or Jewish and Atheist women all day, it's unacceptably bigoted to suggest that there are any consequences to the difference between cis and trans women. If this doesn't make sense to you, maybe you just haven't done as much work as you think you have sweet tea

they're just virtue signaling cunts who see trannies as something akin to pets

That’s toxic as hell, you wouldn’t understand until you’ve been in an uncomfortable living situation yourself

obviously yeah. either commit to the idea that transwomen are women or don't. "afab only" is just away to exclude transwomen when you don't feel like pretending to be an ally.

it would make sense for her to feel safer and more comfortable, would it not?

sure- if you think trans women are men lmao

you have some rationale for restricting a space from "men and women" to just "women". you then reuse this rationale when you restrict the space further from "women" to "afab". what then must the rationale be *but* the implicitly transphobic one above? not that i care, i can afford to live alone- but yeah i can understand why dirt poor trans women who have to go homeless because of shit like this would be pretty friggin pissed about it

Trans women with rape stick belong in trash..srs girls belong with women

No, and ftms seem to like them as well, so no again.

Rapehons exist and women are right when they are scared of them. Being amab comes with the possibility that you are there to rape and murder little girls with your male genitalia

? Mostly if you try to "talk sbout the difference between cis and trans" you're likely some guy trying to argue trans women aren't women.

Anyway, no one really discuss any of what you talked about. What do anyone have to say about differences between an atheist and a jew ? "Oh, well, atheists are not religious, while Jews are." Nothing to fucking talk about unless you're a racism suscriber. Same for straight and lesbian.

ftms are almost exclusively female brained and female acting.

read up
yeah, if someone is in a hard place in their lives, they can work on themselves and get protected and safe, but they can still make time to do the

even if you have a beard you're a woman

then no, it's not toxic, it's true, people who project love but are unable to treat others with actual love are gross and two faced, even if they're doing it with the best intentions

We hate "afab only" spaces lol half of theyfabs think we are traitors for wanting to be masculine men

Being the only poonah in an afab only space...uwaaahh it's okay to sleep in our underwear and to take baths together if I'm just a little fakeboi girl ><

Trans women are women. They're literally AMAB women. They're male women. That's what they are. That's what makes them trans. The worst part of the pro-trans movement is that many people basically outwardly only talk about gender and how it's socially constructed, and they make these reasonable points about gender. But the end goal for lots of them really isn't about gender; it's about sex. It's about creating an ideology in which trans people don't have to deal with being born as a sex they don't want to be by making pseudo-intellectual arguments about how sex is so irreducibly complex you can't reliably categorize it or be fairly accurate at guessing it based on how people look or how sex can change by taking HRT, all kinds of whacko shit. The idea that differentiating between AFAB and AMAB men is necessarily transphobic comes from this radical line of thought that lots of pro-trans people believe where things are transphobic just because they remind trans people that sex is real and important. It's not remotely intuitive to anybody normal. I wish you'd just say what you mean out loud directly. People don't like trans people in large part because they view being trans as deceptive, so it's really dumb to build your whole movement on top of deceptive rhetoric.

why is the rationale valid in the first case but not the second?

would an androphilic-afab-only space be considered homophobic because it excludes lesbians?

How about a gynephilic-amab-only space?

Why should anyone be forced to mix with people who may have impure attractions towards them?

rapehons exist and women are right when they are scared of them

sure, and to admit that such a distinction exists is to admit you can make the distinction on an individual basis, making your categorically afab-only housing project even more of an exercise in baseless transphobia than it otherwise would be

Nothing to fucking talk about unless you're a racism suscriber. Same for straight and lesbian.

Completely dishonest post. Would anybody be upset at affinity groups for black, Jewish, or atheist women? Would anybody be upset if somebody preferred a black, Jewish or atheist woman room mate? Maybe a white one (although white women have informal all white women social groups), but the default answer is no, and the reason is because it's socially acceptable to acknowledge that black women have things in common with other black women, etc. They can have affinity groups, they can self select and have homogenous social groups, and no one cares. We're expected to break this default rule for trans women, and you won't give us a good reason why. Maybe there is a good reason. I haven't thought about it much. But the people who would be prepared to give the reason can't even treat the question seriously.

Is wanting to be in a white only space racist
I recently saw a twitter post about this topic and it has a lot of mixed opinions on it including from poc as well. It was a screenshot of a girl asking her potential flatmate/the person she was visiting later for a viewing (and the poster) if everyone in the apartment was white. And as a result everyone is calling her racist. I understand both viewpoints as it being seen as racist and also as not racist, but I'm unsure about what to think. I understand her possible concerns and wanting to be in a white only space, but everyone is calling her racist for wanting to live in a white only space? Could someone help me understand T.T I know that judging someones morality by their skin color isn't right, but in terms of a living situation, it would make sense for her to feel safer and more comfortable, would it not?

it's only not transphobic if you also allow trans men in the space.

would an androphilic afab-only space be considered homophobic because it excludes lesbians?

we used to consider women's washrooms to be just this, actually. lesbians were predator freaks for being in the same spaces as innocent straight women. idk what to tell you- i get your point, but it's weak, and you're basically just regurgitating ideas that were largely defeated in the public conscious 20-30 years ago. if this is your basis for denying people housing, you will not see the kingdom of god.

Trans men don't really rape. Its more likely that those other afabs want to rape ftm than other way

Honestly if you are a tranny you shouldnt live with randos
Is it that hard

oh I thought this was like a support group or something. It's ok to live with whoever you want regardless of the context.

no blacks allowed

Society sees this as racist

no trans women allowed

Perfectly normal, no discrimination here!

making your categorically afab-only housing project

Is the only legally sound way that you can ensure that Davette, the rapist formally known as Dave, can't weasel their way in, or claim discrimination because SOME trans people are allowed in, and some aren't.

Down to a lack of policing and gate-keeping.
If a man looks like a man, sounds like a man, and dresses like a man but is saying he is a woman because he REALLY wants to get in the women's toilets, SOMEBODY should be saying "Waaiiittt a minute fella..."

Iwn be a virilised afab tif in the wombyn only space

Iwn be able to put my sweaty poon hands on their pure afab bodies and call it female bonding

Why even live

read my response please

no blacks allowed

Broke, unacceptable

black only housing

Woke, acceptable because marginalized communities share similar experiences with one another and those experiences can exclu….

men who roleplay as women upset that actual women want nothing to do with them and start talking like incels

Those are some dishonest ass comparisons you’re making. In this case the comparison is a white woman saying “no black women allowed” which yes faggot believe it or not that would get her castigated by even modern straight society let alone lefty queers

Why yes, wokeisme is a cancer, thank you for pointing it out.

start

literally the only reason afab only housing is a thing is because transbian men.

or claim discrimination because SOME trans people are allowed in, and some aren't.

categorically denying trans people is literally how you get in trouble with the law here lol
there is no equal protection for daves- just trannies

"AFAB only housing" exists solely because of transbians. If trannies had properly gatekept and admitted that transbians are men this wouldn't be an issue.

roleplaying as a sexist stereotype but without the rape doesn't make you a woman either. """heterosexual""" trannies are men, too. just gay ones in drag.

Transbians need to be studied specifically so we can have a justification for deporting and or force detransitioning them.
I doubt it would be hard to find.

yeah thats nice but what is the reason ever to exclude transwomen if they are women based on housing?

Equality comes down to "Different, but equal".
What you are after is Equity.

Equality is ensuring, when it comes to race for example, that a black person isn't inconvenienced more than a white person.
They could have separate bathrooms, but to say one is 10ft away and lined with gold leaf, whilst the other is 2 miles away and is a shack in the woods with a hole in the floor is not equal.

This is just an easy way to weed out creepy/ugly rapehons. Nobody has a problem with cute passers, but it's much easier to just say AFAB only.

If transbians are kept out why not real lesbians too
Dont you think the faggots will rape girls?

stole the gold leaf from their bathroom and sold it for crack

now we’re unequal

Because real lesbians aren’t men

be straight mtf

be raped as a child

talking to my cis f lesbian friend

she feels uncomfortable living with, or even sharing a bathroom with amabs because their biology drives them to rape women

amabs could never understand this fear

ask if shes ever been raped

no

ask if lesbians are more dangerous than straight trans women

no

ask if me being raped gives me a different perspective on this

no

ask if me and her straight cis friend swapped bodies who she would feel more uncomfortable around

still mentally amab me in a cis body with 0 penis to assault her with and 0 desire to touch her

What? They just want to gatekeep being victimized even if theyve never experienced a drop of it in their lives and have nothing to fucking fear

why shit on lesbian trans women randomly? I've been raped too. you're using your own victimization status the same way you accuse AFABs of

Nah, the thing is that you are a male, no matter how much you have feminized yourself, kinda like trans men are always female. And cause you are male, you have the same stigma as other amabs.

why shit on lesbian trans women

lol. lmao.

you deserve how they view you then. you using your trauma as a talking point doesn't change that when you don't care about other victims

if you dont want to live with amabs ill just not care and move on

I dont think theyre more dangerous I was just trying to see how she felt about people with no penis who are attracted to you sharing these spaces with you vs people with penis who arent attracted to you.
Her whole deal was that cis women get victimized at a young age like 9 and amabs will never understand this even tho I was literally raped at 4 years old so idk
Obv not all amabs will have been raped a child but if your worry is the exposure then being victimized should put you in the clear. Even if she said it was a one time thing vs constant objectification from men her whole life but I get that too girl so idk

raped by another lesbian transwoman i assume

nta but gynephilic people are animals imo. There are good animals and bad animals, but they're all animals.

by my dad at 5 and then by a man when I first transitioned actually

kinda funny. Like you got a phobia of men the same way the pooners do but it made you make yourself more sexually desired by men because of self hatred, whereas poons got that shit on lock

Write the dad greentext

ftm and yeah, for the most part.

I get restricting it to "vagina havers only," if it's in a context of someone's sexual orientation, and I mean actual sex, because attraction to a total stranger is not based on their genitals, but ability to proceed to having satisfying sex with them sometimes is.

I also even get the "trans people and/or intersex people, and cis women" thing people do for events or groups where it's like "anyone who is systemically discriminated against on the basis of gender."

"AFAB only," I mean, I would live somewhere like that if I was about to be homeless, but it obviously means "I see trans women as men or partially men and trans men as women or partially women."

I see trans women as men or partially men and trans men as women or partially women.

I mean you can’t really hope for more than “partially” with our current level of technology.

all men are rapists. this is an accepted fact by society. so the question is then, are all amabs men? or are some of them women? this determines how a person would respond to this

Crazy to think about how if John Money never molested David Reiner Jeb Bush would be our president right now after 8 years of world peace under Hillary Clinton.

Just get together with other trannies and make a tranny only space

even if this wasn't weird as fuck, I remember literally none of it he just went to prison for it when it happened
I don't hate men though I just have gender dysphoria. I went through years of therapy immediately after it happened to work through any underlying issues and saw a gender specialist before I trooned

cisniggers are never gonna believe they're a different thing than a het tranny. you know this to be true. ultimately you're probably right, transbians are rapegender larping as trans women. as a bifag ive tried to reduce my interest in women for this reason but i think im fucked on that count so admittedly, i'm not the best person to talk about this stuff. but transbians to cis people are the same as every other trans woman. you're better off trying to get transbians to act like decent human beings than anything else. stuck with our societal siamese twin

I don't know. Theyfabs seem to the most lusted after lgbt group if you count them as trannies, they get wifed up. Men who have issues with they/them pronouns or bpd are lying