I don't understand why would anyone want to be a woman. It just makes no sense to me...

yes, but substitute "mtf tranner" with "cowardly repper"

I want to be female and am feminine and want to dress and act feminine and am getting sex reassignment. I wish i could get pregnant. Not that I would necessarily get pregnant but just so I could have that option to have a family. I do fetishize pregnancy a bit bit I am conscious of the fact that it is scary and uncomfortable to go through.

so real

Nobody actually wants to be a woman, they just want to be third gender but call themselves women because there is no other language for that.

there are lots of societies with traditional third genders for feminine AMABs. in every case, as soon as they learn what the contemporary western understanding of transness is, they start adopting it in droves because it is very obviously a more accurate understanding of their own experience than the third gender their culture ghettoized them into.

this chart is retarded because we have dogs who have all those features and wolves all at the same time.

Hahah. We wish that was true.

OP is right though. Most of AMABs transition for ""interesting"" reasons. These people would probably be suicidal every second of their life if they're born as AFABs.

I wish I was born a woman, and i dont like being a feminine man. I wish I was either a normal cis man or cis woman. In terms of gender presentation. I like who I am mostly, I despise being trans and see it as a curse. If you could give me a pill that deleted trans feelings from me completely I would take it. Or, I mean I'm post transition now so it would be a huge a pain in the ass to detransition. It would probably be better than being a transwoman though.

Doesn't matter, these women may think they'd prefer it, but they'd be confronted with the realities enabling the forever unparalleled male suicide rates and most would be worse off. A lot of males are very in tune with the privileges one receives if born female and will lament their maleness for the rest of their life... A lot aren't too neurotic about it, but nevertheless recognize life would probably be better overall if they were born female and the rest would mostly just be happily surprised.

Most women would not prefer to be men.
Faulty assumption

Hell, no one even wants the "man" role in a lesbian relationship.
You know, the one where you're NOT a starfish bottom that gets money and attention so the top can maintain the relationship

Yeah but you're a woman so fuck you, your opinion doesn't count and I know more about the female experience than you

Not that anon but lmfao

and I know more about the female experience than you

LMFAOOOOO XD

Most of lesbians want to be men. I don't know about straight and bi women.

T. Lesbian.

Most of suicide attempts are females.
Just because you survived suicide attempts doesn't mean you live normally after. Suicide attempt can leave you paralysed or with a missing lib, for example.

Holy bitterhon

Nobody really wants to be a woman. If men had to live the female experience they would commit suicide. Men want the privileges they think women have because they don't realize being a woman is the same if not more alienating.

most suicide attempts that fail are with methods that wont really hurt you long term like cutting

Because a male knows they'll never be better off with an attempt

Femdogs and tomwolves

This is kind of true. A man who makes an attempt is disgusting, scary and pathetic. Society will do the bare minimum and kick you out.

A woman who does it will be given every sympathy and help available. People will reach out and try to house her and provide her resources. In that respect society is still imbalanced.

Male, because it's fucking great, I'm king of the world, motherfucker. Even with its downsides like cucked society keeping you down.

They're not attempts, they are gestures.

These threads are proof amabs can never act like women
It's in their DNA

nta, but these women thinking that it is not how it is. it absolutely is. and while I don't know the female experience I can 100 percent vouch that is the male experience

100% true. Women still have it easier, though.

Acting like a woman is acting like being a man is better and if you're so sincerely convinced of that you'll just kill yourself instead of transitioning. If a male transitions regardless of reason it's an acknowledgement on some level that even being a simulacra of a woman may be better than being a man.

It's primarily a physical thing. I don't want to have a deep voice. I wish I had hips and breasts. I don't like having broad shoulders and a flat chest and deep voice and facial hair. I don't like my genitals. I liked having smooth skin.
I didn't know at 3 years old that I was truly a girl inside, or anything, but I just was jealous of girls for having female voices, and having all-girl friend groups, which I thought I'd be able to relate to more if I could become a girl and join, and I was jealous of their bodies - I hated putting on feminine clothes in secret and seeing that the clothes that were meant to emphasize curves just made me look like shit. In high school, I did squats so my legs were really thick, and I shaved and moisturized my legs so that they'd look like the girls' at school. And I didn't like my voice, so I started trans voice training before knowing I wanted to transition.
I didn't know I wanted to transition until I had already graduated high school. I had to explicitly think about it. It was just the logical conclusion of all the things I knew about myself and how I thought about my life being a male.

would just be feminine men if it was more socially acceptable for men to dress feminine

lol
lmao even

it's true
you don't actually want to be woman

What do you think are the huge downsides for being a woman that makes it so inconceivable that someone would not want to be one?

Your assertion presupposes that we're unaware of the suffering of women and girls and haven't spent years or even decades questioning before initiating transition.

Okay retard, why do I have gender dysphoria if I don't want to wear a dress and am completely happy with how I dress then?

I literally just want to be a physically feminized man on HRT and it's why I manmode, being a woman socially seems to suck and carry all sorts of needless baggage and responsibility and I don't want to have kids so I have no interest in any of it - I don't give a fuck about gender or even care too much about being a guy, I just have gender dysphoria and altered my sex traits to match so remaining a guy is easier and lets me have the best of both worlds

at the same time, people who identify as and want to be accepted as women should be allowed to because you can't escape what you are and even if the roles and performances are made-up the affinity with one or the other is a naturally emerging thing from wherever in the spectra of biological sex traits you land

kings don't get cucked, poonflaps
they're kings because royalty are treated like women

everyone's a simp to you

I'm not OP, but I remember reading something from a TERF basically saying something like

Why would a man want to lower himself down to our level? It's obviously better being a man. It's obviously all a trick to prey on unsuspecting women.

In a way that kind of implied she was kind of bitter about being a woman.

Because gender dysphoria is more so related to self-perception of body and to a lesser extent being perceived female by others? Clothes aren't particularly important to me either other than to the extent they help to blend in or increase the likelihood of being gendered female.

Why would a man want to lower himself down to our level? It's obviously better being a man. It's obviously all a trick to prey on unsuspecting women.

In a way that kind of implied she was kind of bitter about being a woman.

Is she wrong? Let's not pretend most of you want to be women because you think it's hot to be inferior.

failmale never got over his awkward phase in high school

I'm so sorry you didn't like sports, hon

What a beautiful wish fulfillment fantasy for every male to dream of and that's just the reality of life for most females. If you're not purely intrinsically motivated as a male chances are your mental health will be worse than a female merely due to these kinds of attitudes permeating society.

I mean the way I see it there are social negatives tied to being a woman. Like putting up with sexualization or discrimination. But there are also social negatives to being a feminine man that OP suggests we fix. Why not also work to fix the social negatives of being a woman, then?

And then there is biological things that suck like being weaker or periods. Why does OP find it so crazy that someone might not put much weight on being physically strong, most people on earth don't bother to achieve peak physical fitness? Is it really that crazy that someone might see having to put up with periods as an acceptable trade off for the ability to have children?

I'm not ftm.

Nobody really wants to be a woman. If men had to live the female experience they would commit suicide. Men want the privileges they think women have because they don't realize being a woman is the same if not more alienating

TRUTH.

FUCKING.

NUKE.

Maybe they're just retards trying to look edgy and not like a "cringe hon" who "actually thinks they're a woman"

Personally I have complete dysphoria and complete desire to be a wlman and all that thus entails, I don't see women as privileged or advantaged.bi believe i would subjectively enjoy it more and thus I also don't think i want to be a woman just out of a desire to be oppressed.

Your assertion presupposes that we're unaware of the suffering of women and girls and haven't spent years or even decades questioning before initiating transition

If you're aware then why do you want to be woman?

You're incorrectly assuming it's a conscious choice or something I want in the first place. What I actually want is to be cis, doesn't matter what gender, but that is not a possibility.

It's just an irrational desire. See for what made me want to transition. I don't actually think women are inferior.

Haven't you tried not caring? it's a perfectly good treatment for your condition.

Have you tried just not being depressed?

Most western trannies want to be trannies, not women. Western trannies are not even getting hrt and/or surgeries anymore. Third gender is winning.

Yes, nonironically.

Maybe you're just not aware of the suffering men and boys.

Well I couldn't understand why someone would choose to be a man when I wanted the exact opposite. It's almost like different people are different and your view of the world isn't shared by everyone.

Im willing to accept the shittiness of being a woman. Sometimes bad things can be a part of your identity. I was homeless for 3 years, sleeping in parks and it was shitty. But its part of who I am. It has had a significant impact in who I am and my worldview. I think many women are the same. There are terrible things about being a woman, but its also part of who they are. Its part of their identity. Idk why I want to be a woman, but its a deeply rooted part of me. If I could not be trans, I would. Man or Woman.

Yeah I did, guess what? It doesn't work. I can no more think myself into not being trans than a diabetic can think themselves into not being hypoinsulinemic.

These threads are always full of western amabs complaining how much it sucks to be amab in the west. Lol.
I will hide thread now.

Yea, in 80% of the world women are still just male property. Its crazy how just 40 years of egalitarianism makes numales who think women have everything.

I do think there is an element of desire to transition but self hated preventing them. Of course they think being a women is greener grass, they have a deep seated desire to transition tainting their outlook.

No country has been nor ever will be egalitarian.

Funny thing is, the brain is very malleable, unlike the pancreas. So yeah, it does work.

Then I would rather women be in power because they are less violent and less likely to have dark triad traits. Men chimp out and start genocides because they have small dick insecurity.

Okay?

Hey there, man living in the West here. I love being a man. Every male under the age of 25 here is either a tranny or a nazi (waiting to become a tranny) though.

Nice blogpost retard

Women monarchs have statistically gone to war more often than men.

Name 1 genocide perpetrated by a female leader, in excess of 100,000 deaths.

this is not true women in power go crazy as does everybody. like the only reason women are pleasant and cooperative and nice interpersonally is because they don’t have physical power and need safety in another way once a woman has power she is just a human great ape and probably with sexual fantasies of mutilated men and corpses on the battlefield and the missile as a penis

Name 1 genocide perpetrated by a female leader, in excess of 100,000 deaths.

Fuck I hate cultural feminism, essentialist fascistoid thinking all of it.

hatred is a moid trait. if you hate things you are a man. this includes karens like Marjorie Taylor Green
moid moding

I said war, not genocide. To say that women are less violent when it's a fact that they've gone to war more often is intellectually dishonest.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agathe_Uwilingiyimana

i was going to attach the famous picture of women casually loading the bodies of holocaust victims on to a wagon but i figured that would be disrespectful

Opposing bad ideas is a good thing actually.

oh i was actually wrong this woman is not a genociderp

Answering your question is actually easy, OP.
Anyone reasonable knows the male body is superior to the female body in nearly every way. The male body always take the prize.
This is also evident in transitioning.
AMAB transition pattern:
Man (AMAB) = desire to be = Woman (AMAB) = achievable goal
AFAB transition pattern:
Woman (AFAB) = desire to be = Man (AMAB) = not an achievable goal
Notice how both transitions are oriented around being AMAB, no matter do you want to be man or woman? Fascinating, truly. I don’t think I need to elaborate further.
Nobody really wants to be woman (female).

Anyone reasonable knows the male body is superior to the female body in nearly every way.

Man (AMAB) = desire to be = Woman (AMAB) = achievable goal

Woman (AFAB) = desire to be = Man (AMAB) = not an achievable goal

Amazing logical reasoning there, anon. I've never seen a clearer proof by assertion.

Wow, that's retarded.

Most of AMABs don't have bottom surgery yet their bottom surgery is still better and more studied than AFAB bottom surgery.
Wtf?

i was going to attach the famous picture of women casually loading the bodies of holocaust victims on to a wagon but i figured that would be disrespectful

thats participating. I said LEAD. Was the leader. The glorious leader who lead a genocide.

There isn't one.

So true, being male means you're responsible for any abuse you may go through and what all the other males do. Nothing is evil if it's perpetrated by a female and every male needs to be taught to not abuse anyone birthed as the good sex. When you're watching a piece of fiction with family and something bad is done to a female you need to be reminded by the people who raised you that it's not ok to do that to girls, or women whichever applies, even if it mirrors the behavior they've displayed when treating you it's ok... Because you're just some inherently evil male, you need to know when anything bad is done to you it's a good thing, it's justice, when you're fed up with life you need to do the right thing, something only a male can do, you can vanquish evil by killing yourself and everyone will be better off for it because in that single moment through your noblesse oblige you showed males the only acceptable version of one.

its easier for women to become men then the other way.

even a 5 2 can become a roided out balding manlet, which is absolutely still a male. a 6 5 giga hon who tries to become a woman just looks like a man in a dress. its far more consistent to go female -> male.

mildly cool digits of truth

So true, being male means you're responsible for any abuse you may go through and what all the other males do. Nothing is evil if it's perpetrated by a female and every male needs to be taught to not abuse anyone birthed as the good sex. When you're watching a piece of fiction with family and something bad is done to a female you need to be reminded by the people who raised you that it's not ok to do that to girls, or women whichever applies, even if it mirrors the behavior they've displayed when treating you it's ok... Because you're just some inherently evil male, you need to know when anything bad is done to you it's a good thing, it's justice, when you're fed up with life you need to do the right thing, something only a male can do, you can vanquish evil by killing yourself and everyone will be better off for it because in that single moment through your noblesse oblige you showed males the only acceptable version of one.

holy projection. i didnt say any of those things. you are literally shadowboxing your own demons.

its true women are just less dark triad on average and no women leader has ever done a genocide.

pooner creatures don't look like men....

they absolutely do. if you mean, like, the transphobic cartoons you see online. well, i hate to break it to you, but cartoons arent real life.

they're based of real people.

They do pass better. Shame they can't do anything about their fembrains.

It's not about female brains. It's about female height and body structure. No matter how much you're malebrained you can't change your bones.

I'm preaching, sadly it seems you haven't realized the inherent evil comes with being male, if you're female that's fine, but if you're male it's unforgivable and you need to repent.

short men exist, incels complain about it constantly

Short cis males actually look male compared to short pooners who are obviously just women with shit moustaches.

youre a retard. this is your last you.

I'm giving you a (You) because you're a smart guy. But some FTMs do look like short males, really. But they can't do anything about their socialization.

inherent evil comes with being male

???
Everyone knows being female means you're born with the original sin.
You can't get rid of it.
Ftm transition is yet another failed try to wash it off.

I just wish I can be a cis male but I can't so I have to repress forever.

Just accept it.

wow thanks.

Glad I could be of help.

you should really just get on T and lift. become red skinned and bald with big lumpy muscles like all the other manlets do. just fucking do it bro.

Because medicine favors amabs.

Sounds gross.

guess u r just a female. sad!

I'm not trans, I just hate women and know more than you

The world doesn't operate based on your fairy tale, people do and will treat what I wrote as if it's true.

This makes no sense, keep trying.

Only afabs can understand 100% female experience. You aren't even a tranny, you don't know shit

Only amabs can understand 100% male experience, you don't know shit.

I can understand far more than the female mind is capable of, making me an authority compared to you on every subject.

I never said I know anything about male experience you absolute fucking tard

LOL, hilarious
You don't understand shit
You're just egoistic cunt that's it really

If you make this vice versa it's really true.

other people's experience is unknowable

this is why i hate alphabet faggots

Dogs are cosmic horror

You don't know the female experience either, no male or female will ever know all that it entails. Rest of the world doesn't think like this in other contexts and maybe you shouldn't throw a temper tantrum over someone positing they can know some things without relevant qualia.

An afab can't know 100% of male experience.
And
An amab can't know 100% of female experience.

This is simply just a fact.

If you make this vice versa it's really true.

no.

Fun fact they’re also suicidal every second of their life after they troon out
Daily reminder that post transition only ftm suicide goes down, MtT suicide goes up

An afab can't know 100% of female experience.
And
An amab can't know 100% of male experience.

This is simply just a fact.

I dunno about others, but i would kill myself if i was AMAB

Afab = knows more about female experience than amabs
Amab = knows more about male exercises than afabs

le women's secrets

Did you know that once you correct for the difference in childhood sexual and physical abuse, females have lower trait neuroticism than males?
The male suicide rate is higher because they are inherently fragile little bitches. The current education and income gaps that are starting to show in the youth is because when given anything even approaching equal treatment, females dominate anything non physical.
Total XY death

Let's hear you say that in a loving marriage, bitch.

mtx are still male and will be treated as such if known. ftx are still female and will be treated as such if known. mtx is treated as the worst thing you can be and it's far more unrealistic to pass as the opposite sex.

t. Amab

So amabs can menstruate now?

100%. A Super Bowl ad with five minutes of Bambi sleep porn with subtitles explaining what it was would end all MtT rights forever and they’d be in camps within the month

What part of that sentence made you think i was a dude?

That's all a woman's experience seems to be, muh vagina and people attempting to access it

Based

flips menstruation to access to vagina

Studies on monarchies in Europe from 1480-1913 indicate that female leaders (queens) were more likely to participate in war than male leaders (kings). This is supported by one study which found that queens were 27% more likely to engage in inter-state conflict compared to kings.

This is such a specific cherry pick of timeline and governmental type that whoever put this to paper should be shot.

Where do you menstruate from? Exactly. Muh vagina.

Afab = most likely stupid and barely able to attribute what experiences they go through that are due to them being female.
Amab = most likely stupid and barely able to attribute what experiences they go through that are due to them being male.
Intelligible human of either sex = able to posit more accurately about both sexes experience than the typical amab/afab.

Hmm, then it would depend on whether they lived in an egalitarian country, but the pattern of high suicide and high de”transition” for MtT is consistent from countries where women are property to countries where women are president.

If I had a loving marriage with an FtM twunk I wouldn’t be here

There's a capacity hidden in your brain called "abstraction". I know it's old-fashioned to use it, but it's there. It allows you to understand things that haven't happened, and categorize things. Thus, a well-fed man can answer questions like "How would you feel if you were a woman?", or "How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast today?".
You should try it sometime, it's useful.

Monarchies were the most common governments until not long ago, and going older means the quality of records is much lower. Keep coping.

Ah, you claim to be attracted to a "Female to Male", and yet in your other post you claim you wish for, quote, "Total XY Death". Could it be you subconsciously let slip that you do not view these "FTM"s as real men? Do you finally accept basic Middle School Biology?

And where do you cum from? Exactly. Muh dick.

I can fix you.

Gib bagene.

are you a lesbian or a bisexual woman then?

stop trying to ruin women

you can just be my tomboy gf