What rights do trans ppl not have but think they deserve?

what rights do trans ppl not have but think they deserve?

the right to rape lesbians

Taking pics of kids in the changing rooms

I should have a right to all the free surgeries I want

HRT is healthcare, healthcare should be universal for all, unfortunately that is not so in all countries
The ability to live as the opposite sex should not be curbed by public or private institutions
A legal sex change should be treated as a name change- the ability to change your identity should not be curbed by the government (They have ways to know who you Really are pretty fucking easily anyway)
Everything else is up to personal relationships, and you can't do anything about it without an overreach

And the right to film kids in the girls changing room

the right to non-discrimination in housing and employment for one

be me

own a restaraunt

get some applications for waitstaff

let's see here...

nice, friendly woman

charming, well-dressed guy

6'4" sweaty autist with thinning, weirdly cut hair and the social skills of a deaf babboon with a "she/her" pin on their shirt

hmmm who do i pick

Going to the bathroom.

The one that runs to the bathroom every 10mins to jerk off whilst staring at their badge.

Shouldn't be an uppity tranny then!
(Sorry. I love how you say that. So cute.)

healthcare

That's debatable because there are other mental illnesses that can use a similar argument so the healthcare system will need to cater to their delusions.

The ability to live as the opposite sex should not be curbed by public or private institutions

Only if this right don't affect the rights of other people like the right of woman to pursue their own security.

legal sex change

No, sex isn't like a name, changing it's like changing your place of birth.

I have the RIGHT to sexually harrass other people

The right to be judged on the content of our character instead of a predetermined biological reality.

the right to be a cute little puppy and go arf arf

HRT is not healthcare, it's in the same category as a cosmetic surgery. Just deal with it without making society pay for it.

it is healthcare doe
people kill themselves pretty often without it, anti-depressants would also classify

Awww thanku

I literally washed my hands alone in the bathroom. No one else was in there.

Have some accountability. Killing yourself is 100% on you. Taking society as a hostage because if they don't validate your delusion you're gonna kill yourself is psychotic behavior and should not be humored.
Same thing as those retards that want to mutilate their arms. We don't coddle them and tell them they're a perfectly valid amputee, we give them treatment.

Nta but the suicide rate among people denied HRT is not actually known. (Suicidality isn’t a thing)

btw I’ve read none of it*

i accept your concession
i havent read through it, obviously, but the matter is very settled on the well being of people before and after transition.

stop projecting and answer the question.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8839957/
There should of course be more research into it, which there never was, but to throw your hands up in the air and say that nothing but HRT works is simply foolish.

There's a way to blend into society, which is just coping with it and stop whining. Not hard.

this is a case report
ONE case report, of ONE patient.
you dont want to treat people with hrt? find the alternative

Literally saying there should be more research on these things instead of instajumping into HRT

Enjoy your osteoporosis hump, faggot

yeah and i agreed, just not your single case report from 1996
:)

If that was an acceptable outcome then we wouldn't be trooning out in the first place chud..

People kill themselves from being poor what should we do prescribe money to them? Come on.

It *is* acceptable. None of us will ever be actual women, so what's the point of filling your body with cancer juice? Just accept your lot in life, and you'll be much happier.
And now I'm sounding like one of those stoicism fags, lol.

Anon, congratulations, you're not trans.

Just accept your lot in life, and you'll be much happier

doesnt work, hasnt worked, will never work
t. entire board of people well versed in the fact it doesnt work

So basically

Be a loser defeatist faggot.

No thanks, I will struggle against the impossible and succeed.

It's just learning how to cope. Everyone can do it.

Cope. It does work. You have a perfectly useful prefrontal cortex that you can use to control impulses, just the same as me.

and succeed

You won't, lol.

The only reason I'm entertaining you is because im cuddling in bed while recovering from my FFS

I feel pretty successful.

why learn to cope when i can just do the thing i want to do?
i can think of a total of zero issues with this

Just wait until you start chasing the dragon again with some other surgery that will totally fix everything guise!!

Because all that shit is not free, it comes with side effects. And coming back to the point of the thread, society should not pay for what *is* a cosmetic surgery (like FFS) just because you want it. Same as society should not give me 200 grand just because I want it.

That's like breaking into someone's house when no one's home and leaving without stealing anything. Still trespassing.

I was thinking of getting BA, just because having massive milkers sounds kinda fun but like for now im too exhausted from the surgeries.

I know it's hard for you to understand but like to me getting a surgery is a neutral act that's neither bad or good. I care more about the results and all that.

That's like

Except, it isn't.

It's an invasive procedure. Normal people don't want to go do many pointless surgeries. You should be aware of this fact.
I do love how your AGP shows when talking about your "massive milkers", though. You *do* know you could just masturbate to those AGP fantasies and then live a normal life, don't you?

Of course it is. You're menacing them by invading their space. I'd say it could even be classed as assault against anyone that uses that bathroom.

why is public masturbation illegal? (It makes people uncomfy and that’s literally it)

full bodily autonomy for adults and access to life-saving preventative care for children with gender dysphoria
legal recognition and discrimination protections
to be sent to the correct prison corresponding with our actual gender rather than the gender we were assigned at birth (especially relevant for trans women, who when sent to mens prisons face truly staggering amounts of sexual assault and have little to no recourse, essentially made into legal sex slaves. look up vcoding if you are unfamiliar and want to learn more)
the same rights that every other human being has or should have

No one else was in there.

to be sent to the correct prison corresponding with our actual gender rather than the gender we were assigned at birth

It's an invasive procedure. Normal people don't want to go do many pointless surgeries.

What's the inherent value in being "normal"? Can I eat it?

You should be aware of this fact.

I do love how your AGP shows when talking about your "massive milkers", though.
Yes and? Im 5'6 with a custom face and custom pussy. Who do you has more social credit, me or you?

You *do* know you could just masturbate to those AGP fantasies and then live a normal life, don't you?

I could, but i won't.

You're still showing that you're able and willing to invade their space. Clear case of assault. That's like waving a knife at someone from afar. Still assault.

access to life-saving preventative care for children

should we do this for all ugly people? Like I’m pretty sure my 5th grade class got this fat asthmatic girl with a pig face to kill herself in high school.

I think you should probably have to transition before you are "awaiting trial", or at the very least not be a rapist. Obviously we shouldn't let every man who suddenly, miraculously claims they're now a trans woman as soon as they're facing impending incarceration into women's prisons. No trans person is ever going to disagree with you on that. But there is obviously a stark difference between a male rapist who suddenly announces that he's a woman right after he's arrested and a trans woman who has been living as a woman for years prior to committing a crime.

What's the inherent value in being "normal"? Can I eat it?

Weren't we talking about how the point of all of this was:

The goal of HRT and surgery is to blend into society.

and

making them into productive members of society

?
Now we don't want transsexuals to mesh with society? what gives?

custom face

custom pussy

There's a name for those surgeries where people tell their surgeon what they want exactly, how much to augment, and such things - cosmetic surgery. And it's not "life-saving". Not by a long shot.

I could, but i won't.

So be it, but don't externalize your costs on society, and most of all don't come back crying when the tide turns, which is already happening, because you didn't learn, nor want to learn, adaptive coping mechanisms that could've made you actually fit in.

The thing is that 99.99% of the time it’s the former but advocates got stuck in a toxic validity trench and just couldn’t budge

right for hosuing without being denied for being trans

right to working without being fired for being trans

right to bodily autonomy as an adult and right to hrt as adult

right to exist in public without being charged with crime

right for justice against people that commit violence against a trans person

want me to continue?

being ugly is not a medical condition, gender dysphoria is.
being overweight is also a medical condition. if there were any medications that could have improved her conditions, or perhaps the services of a dietician, then yes, she absolutely should have had access to that. and to bring the comparison back to gender dysphoria, not only would it be great if this overweight girl was given this medical help for free, but imagine if we criminalized medications like ozempic and dietary counceling and things like that, just because society hates fat people?

also you are a bad person

Ever been to a party/club when all the women get pissed, can't be assed to wait for the toilet and storm the men's bathrooms?
Happened to me a number of times.
Should those women have been arrested?
Even then, it's not the same as the bathroom was empty.
Had someone been in there, absolutely.
Here is "assault":

Assault refers to the wrong act of causing someone to reasonably fear imminent harm. This means that the fear must be something a reasonable person would foresee as threatening to them.

If there is nobody present, who is being assaulted?

being ugly is not a medical condition, gender dysphoria is.

Functionally there is zero difference besides a conformist little label. You don’t like what you’ll look like getting older on test, same diff.

You are just jealous of my snissy life

Should those women have been arrested

Yes.
And executed.
I hate when I’m taking a dump at the club and the loudest bitches storm in and make me clench up like a turtle until they leave

And there is the underlying issue.
Anyone is trans as long as they say they are trans and they will always be considered "valid"

i think if there was something that could have been done to help that girl live a happier, healthier life, it should have been.

i think "you have to have started transitioning prior to being charged with a crime" is a pretty damn easy metric to go by.

"I have always known I was trans, but I have been on a waiting list for diagnosis"/"I have always been trans, but HRT is just too expensive"

Saying that would’ve gotten you crucified in most internet spaces 5 years ago.

no arguments left

Lol. Lmao, even.

Depends on what counts. Surgery? HRT? Maybe starting it and stopping? Or what about doing troonshine with no paper trail at all?

storm the men's bathrooms

Do muricans really? This seems like a cultural issue not a gendered one.

UK.

What if people were just treated as individuals.

That way someone who transitions before a court case and has zero previous history regarding being trans is treated differently than someone who transitioned years before being arrested.

Fuck you could extrapolate this towards having some kind of limbo areas for people who are starting to transition in prison and then send them to a facility that best matches the findings seen in the limbo facility.

also, the fact that ANYONE is being sexually assaulted in prison (regardless of gender, sex, or what prison they are in) is an indictment of the current system on it's own. in a controlled environment like that (a literal prison) sexual assault is preventable and shouldn't be happening period. why is anyone getting raped in prison at all? yet no one ever talks about that issue, curiously.
the long term endgame is that gender segregation shouldn't exist for all the same reasons that racial segregation shouldn't exist. we shouldn't have gender segregated prisons, we should just have prisons, and no one should be being raped in them.

if they are literally on a waiting list there would obviously be a record of that. gender dysphoria is diagnosable and in this extremely specific edge case scenario i think a psychiatric evaluation would work as a solution.
i'm literally a trans woman and this just isn't true
if someone's DIYing they'd obviously be able to prove it. i don't think there should be a requirement for some specific medical procedure, i think the requirement should just be that you aren't only suddenly iding as trans for the first time the moment you're charged with a crime.

I CANT BREED

why is anyone getting raped in prison at all

Because criminals want to nut inside of things and solitary confinement is considered cruel and unusual

No surprise here, all the anglos are the same to me.

You could use the rape in prisons argument with the bathroom argument. Why no one is asking for public bathrooms to be safe and not rape spots for criminals?

It works for everything

why focus on blacks murdering a 33x higher rate when you could just focus on alllll murderers

statistics should be illegal unironically

the thing about the prison "debate" is that it demonstrates such a critical and obvious lack of empathy. trans women are being raped in men's prisons right now. en masse. the thing that people are apparently so opposed to (rape) is happening unchecked right now. almost the entire reason to not have trans women in men's prisons is to PREVENT rape. and for every trans woman who's a rapist, there are 99 who are rape victims. and yet somehow the transphobe twists reality so that the same crime they're protecting and defending is the one they pretend to want to prevent? at the end of the day, you're arguing against basic protections for a minority group under the justification that someone might take advantage of them. 60 years ago you would have been arguing against the civil rights act because what if some scary black man comes along and murders or molests some innocent white child. You probably still think that.

people of all kinds are getting raped in prison right now. You’re telling me the transwoman in picre is raped more than some tiny 18 yo twink?

just dont cry when you have to give that ugly autistic hon rent money through your taxes though.

public bathrooms aren't nearly as controlled or regulated environments as prisons are, and the large majority of sexual assault is done by someone the victim knows, not a stranger in a public bathroom. so i don't really think this is all that great of a comparison. but yes, more should be done to prevent rape and to make public spaces safer.

obviously not a trans woman. the mass sexual assault of trans women in men's prison is well documented and uncontested, in a lot of prison's in the US it's done as a matter of policy. whether or not it's happening is just not even remotely something that's up for debate, regardless of what you think about it or what should be done about it.

do people really think transwomen are being tied down like hogs and raped into the mattress 365 days a year right now? I read a lot of legal briefs and I see dozens from transwomen getting sexually assaulted once and suing the department of corrections. There’s hotlines and procedure for dealing with assaults and response is pretty swift. The main article people post around about a transwoman raped 16 gorillion times is an anonymous source published by a no-name journalist with like 200 social media followers

obviously not a trans woman

Bigot

i have got to get off the nazi website

Log off of reddit.

"Just cope with it and it goes away", brought to you by the same people that say "ADHD isn't real society is just abusing you unfairly for being a hunter and warrior" and "Only faggots stay depressed, just will yourself out of it" and "Psychiatry isn't real."

Well, if it's a mental illness, why do we give them surgeries instead of antipsychotics? Again, it's the same as those who want to be amputees.

Either nothing's wrong with you, in which case all that surgery is unnecessary and the taxpayer shouldn't deal with it, or you have a mental illness, in which case you have to learn how to deal with it with the help of therapy and medications.

I’m both ADHD and clinically depressed but I agree with that sentiment entirely lmao. So many fakers and overdiagnosis. And I’m not even sure about ADHD being much of a thing either
Nta

The right to go into a healthcare facility for care and not immediately be told that all of my problems are because of taking hormones

Yes anon, a lot of mentally unwell people cope and pretend they're not sick. Very common in schizophrenics too.

why do we give them surgeries instead of antipsychotics

Not even the guy you originally argued with on this, but holy shit, you have one case study of it being done to one guy once 30 years ago. If you think this is a working solution, then go do a study right now. You can't just assume this'd work out and is a viable solution without more evidence. Meanwhile the evidence for hormones is in, studies have been done, and it works. This is like saying "Well why don't we just beat people in the head with bricks instead of giving them anxiety meds? I mean, I know studies show anxiety meds work, but my cousin Tony beat his wife in the head with a brick once and he says she stopped being anxious about his crack friends, so it must be an equally valid treatment."

Yes anon, a lot of mentally unwell people cope and pretend they're not sick

Which is how you can tell the fakers.

self-determination

That's why I'm telling you there should be more research on this instead of coddling transsexuals because you don't want them to throw a fit.

There's already treatment that works is the thing right? Just because you personally don't like the treatment doesn't make it not a treatment jiggaboo

oh you’re hungry? Just accept your lot in life and starve to death instead of talking about this delulu “eating” stuff, you’ll be much happier.

cancer juice

you are genuinely retarded if you believe this meme, how does the same exact molecule magically become megacanceraids-inducing poison in 50% of the population but not the other?
nondysphoric agp gooner assumes actual trannies have brains that work like his does, many such cases!

So what do you propose we do while your research is performed? Let people suffer? If you have a working solution now, then you apply it now, even if you are currently researching something you think might be better. You don't just leave everyone in the lurch until ten, twenty years down the road just because you hope it might possibly be better in some cases. They need treatment now.

Given the numbers on suicide, I'd say it does not work. Of course, then you'd tell me that it doesn't work because they need another surgery. Surely next one will fix everything and make you into an actual woman, right? right?
It's just moving the goalposts at a poblational scale.

It's not poison, but the risks of cancer *are* greater in people who do hormones. Who would've thought that different genetic makeups, with different amount of hormone receptors, would process hormones in differing amounts?

It's not a working solution.

the right to bodily autonomy in many places. going to federal prison in the US for an extended period of time is quite literally a fate worse than death for pre-orchi trannies thanks to the current regime taking away our right to access medical care

NTA but that's like asking to be lobotomized until a working solution for your mental illness is discovered.

It's not a working solution.

So, all the research that shows people are happier on hormones is invalid? Because why, one person one time thirty years ago got a different treatment and it worked in his case? Or because it clashes with your politics? Religion? Ethos? Plugging your ears and screaming is not a counterargument to scientific studies, even if you think they're bunk. If you think they're bunk, you engage in peer review and pick them apart, you don't just say "no I don't like the vibe doesn't count."

This is funny because the effects of heavy antipsychotics, which is what anon is advocating for vs. HRT, are much more similar to a lobotomy.

Given the numbers on suicide

Are you gonna cite that same study on suicidal ideation or do you have something better? Or no link at all?

It raises your risk for certain cancers and lowers the risk for others. Growing breasts raises your risk for breast cancer for example, shocking I know. That’s the kind of thing bad faith actors use to fearmonger and concern troll about hrt (when used for trannies, they seem to stop caring at all when the same exact drugs are given to normies which is who the overwhelming majority of hrt produced actually goes to btw)
Even if all of their “concerns” were real it would still be worth the risk, at least for me. The alternative has a 100% chance of being worse.

Who would've thought that different genetic makeups, with different amount of hormone receptors, would process hormones in differing amounts?

please take an introductory level cellular bio class nigga this is painful to read