You do intend to vote Democrat at the 2029 presidential election, right trans girls?

ill vote democrat if there isnt another option
the bernie rallies seemed to have alot of popularity, so whatever that side of the political spectrum is cooking up, im all for it

this is a lie spread by the powers behind trump and democrat-in-name-only talking heads who try to lull you into acceptance

i made a prediction, you will be able to see if that prediction is correct in 2026
i do think people should take the possible worlds where trumpists are competent into account, because they do matter and are a threat we have to guard against, but we keep getting evidence that limits those worlds to increasingly weird low-probability states

clocking reddit transbians is so easy in these threads

clocking based hsts trannies is so easy in these threads

do you ever stop and think that youre replying to a gay man?

Only a military coup can save this country

you were saying the same about how trump won't do anything about trannies
you're a retard and your only weapon is seething about "reddit transbians"

do jannies ever stop and think maybe it's time to ban gincel?

considering the other side wants me gone from public life, yes.

In 2029 the democrats will just be offering 2024 republicanism so what's the point? I'll probably be sleeping all day, have fun at the polls.

im gonna go ahead and assume you also didnt vote last election either

I would never vote

I wasn’t actually. But even if I was there’s a huge difference between slightly disenfranchising a tiny pocket of weirdos versus this 1000 yr old boomer that just wants his dick sucked risking his ass to overthrow democracy just so “say pwease” can deregulate fracking and make it illegal to say “happy holidays” or whatever the fuck they get off to

rich people do not care about your live action polisci role playing.

I did vote, because Trump wants to kill all queer people, and I'm in that group.

That doesn't change the fact that democrats ran a spinless republican-lite campaign with no strong policy promises to give help to regular Americans.

I'm not going to point my finger around and act like normies are at fault for that either.
And I won't be tricked twice.

I'd just like to add that was the 4th election I voted in, democrat all 4 times.

would you vote if the choice wasnt a democrat/liberal do nothing but was an outlier like bernie?

Only if Trump returns to being a Dem.

Not falling for that shit again. I am not going to eat the elissa slotkin/pete buttigieg shaped pile of shit the dnc excretes on my plate under the threat of fascist takeover. If they wanted to stop fascism they would allow open primaries instead of rigging it based on dnc insider conventional wisdom

democrats ran a spinless republican-lite campaign with no strong policy promises to give help to regular Americans

At the risk of sounding like one of those neoliberal NY Times democrats, what are you basing this on, because it sounds like one of those twitter takes where "the campaign" really means "the curated information that was fed to me by the algorithm". It's true that the campaign wasn't promising anything terribly radical, but this "they weren't appealing to kitchen table workaday regular folk" is basically just a republican way of saying "they weren't appealing to reactionary ultra-conservative chuddy MAGA types who would never have voted for a brown woman in a million years"

I'd like to but, unless the democrats flip on the abortion issue, I must vote republican.

Dumb christfag

the entire neoliberal wing of the party was celebrating her tough on the border stances, hawkishness, and avoidance of lgbt issues then when she lost pretended like kamala ran a left wing campaign. she did not.

i live in new jersey so i don’t worry too much about voting democrat for president. they’ll get our electoral college votes no matter what, if they suck ass i’ll vote third party with no issue. not like the popular vote matters with this stupid system

stop reposting my comments stalker

I'm not religious.

Not American but if I did, I would just honestly vote for whoever had the best chance of defeating the republicans. Whether that be Harris, Sanders and AOC, I will support whoever.

So you're saying she lost because she didn't criticize netanyahu enough or what does it mean "no strong policy promises to help regular americans", isn't hurting brown people good for "regular americans"? The term is used in so many weaselly ways that it's completely impossible to read that as anything other than a vague criticism of someone's emotional appeal or lack thereof

The more safe blue states there are, the more the dems can focus on the swing states

youre projecting that youre aesthetic focused and not policy focused. not that it matters to argue over this because harris lost 3 million votes to jim crow bullshit

Um like when Obama was democrat jesus for offering healthcare to everybody.

They shifted right on the boarder, they threw palestinians out of rallies and cancelled their speaking sections, they didn't spend enough time smearing Trump. They called him weird and I loved that, but it lived as long as a tik tok trend does and calling him weird for a few weeks a couple months before the election isn't really enough to sell people on the harm he was intending to cause.

They didn't run on rent control.
They didn't run on free college.
They didn't run on women's healthcare.
They didn't even run on plans to drastically expand existing government healthcare programs, they were gonna make medicaid cover people like 5 years earlier or something.

It's true the campaign wasn't promising anything terribly radical...

Exactly, when dems run a charismatic leader on a platform of massive QOL benefits to americans they win, and they ran a middle of the road campaign vs a literal Nazi, and now you want to blame people that weren't stoled to run out to the polls over that.

Stoked*

if you vote you are a man

but my point is no aspect of this election was policy focused, unless you think the result was actually caused by the average voter wanting to ban porn and abolish the EPA. is that what you think?

the popular narrative was muh price of eggs. they made the grocery thing a big part of the platform, and yet, the average voter believed trump would be better for the price of eggs because "he's a businessman"

again, none of this was policy-oriented. nobody read any of those campaign documents. it was all twitter memes and facebook shitposts, all of it

but my point is no aspect of this election was policy focused

this is false. it’s clear now that earlier you were projecting that algorithms run your perception. maybe you can ask why algorithms owned by republicans promote aesthetic conflict and start to get somewhere. anyways due to your lack of knowledge you can’t produce any insights so i wont respond past this

it wasn't the algorithms, but maybe you should ask why it was the algorithms

I have no argument so I'll just duck out and say I win

I didn't think we'd be at this stage with idiots legitimately believing that twitter didn't swing the election but on the other hand idiots voted for this, so I shouldn't be surprised that there are idiots everywhere

im so autistic i cant help myself. we are talking about the reality of the campaign not its perception and youre shifting it now.

When I’m like 80 years old, completely senile, not know who is running for office, not even know what day it is, I could get taken by bus to vote after they clean me up from pissing myself in bed and I would still vote down ballot democrat. I am that much of an unconditional partisan at this point, and I am not even ashamed of it.

he can’t even run again, so you won’t be able to vote for him

yeah and the reality of the campaign is that no matter how good the policy (and I'm not even saying it was good, just that it explicitly addressed many of the topics that supposedly concerned the electorate), none of it matters when the average voter gets their information from a little app on their phone controlled by a foreign extremist

Ok, but half of our very vast media apparatus is owned by dems, the idea that they can't undermine a narrative that weak is laughable and evidence of their incompetence.
The idea that the election wasn't about policies is kind of my point. The DNC and Kamala are active participants in the election, they can't just act as if the lack of policies is just something that happens sometimes, it's THEIR JOB to make strong policies worth talking about.

Nobody read those campaign documents.

Maybe kamala and liberal media outlets should have read them to inform her voters of the impending threat.

Acting like Kamala was a victim for the lack of policies is exactly what I mean when I say spineless, btw.

2020 primaries, rigged in favor Biden, all candidates dropped out and endorsed him the second Sanders started polling well

Biden already had noticeable memory problems

picks Harris entirely for idpol reasons

Biden hidden from public view for most of his presidency, Harris is made border czar, but is woefully incompetent at it

2024 elections, primaries not held, Biden is already very clearly not healthy enough to run, public gaslit about this for months

Sleepy Joe sundowns during a debate, still takes three weeks for him to drop out

meantime, Israel does a little ethnic cleansing, Biden admin does not push back in anyway, to the surprise of the Bibbi admin

extreme cost of living and immigration issues, people told their problems were imaginary and that it was the strongest economy in history

Biden drops out, no primary held

Harris is woefully unprepared, and runs one of the worst presidential campaigns in modern history

alienates the base, and tries to pick up moderates with Cheney endorsement

denies being the border czar, even though this was one of the few things she was allowed to do while sidelined, has almost no other accomplishments

Harris platform noticeably flipflops from the 2020 primaries, with no explanation given

Harris barely has a platform, goes for a vibes based status quo campaign, in a time where people are very concerned about the state of the country. "Kamala is Brat"

destroys youth turnout by attempting to moderate on social issues like Palestine and LGBT rights, doesn't allow any Palestinians to speak at national dem convention

policy includes pivoting to the right of the Republican party in foreign and domestic policy (lmao), supportive ads for Kamala literally calling her a cop (and this is a good thing)

alienating messaging: Dudes for Harris, weird crypto policies targeted at black men, weird pro Zionist gaffes during the VP debate, "Reagan would have voted for Kamala" ads

worst campaign since Mondale '84

how many swing voters in purple states do you think are religiously reading russ douthat's screeds and discussing it over a glass of mersault at the weekly book club, are you shitting me?

never said it was a good campaign, just that >muh kitchen table issues is memespeak for appealing to right wing reactionaries

You do intend to vote Democrat at the 2029 presidential election, right trans girls?

I'm not a fan of republican economic and foreign policy, but immigration is literally the only issue that really matters, so I'm going to continue voting for them to federal offices. Despite this I wish they were more isolationist, nativist, and cut ties with Israel

t. tranner

You're being disingenuous.
You picked one argument about messaging and are acting as if I didn't call for stronger policies from dems. Do you think messaging is irrelevant to a campaign? Do you think policies are irrelevant, too?

Kitchen table is a dog whistle

Explain that a little bit, do you think free college would have been right wing? Was obamacare right wing? Would rent control have been right wing? You are conflating reactionary and economic populism and dismissing the very actionable measures dems could have taken to run a more successful campaign, I wonder if you aren't just a reactionary that grew up in a blue household?

You are also acting like dems just failed to capture swing voters and didn't actively push muslims and hispanic voters away.

KAMALA HARRIS WON THE 2024 ELECTION BUT VOTES WERE THROWN OUT IN KEY STATES. THIS IS A VERIFIABLE FACT. ANY ARGUMENT ABOUT THE SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT DOES NOT AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THIS TRUTH IS INCOMPLETE!

to a much larger extent than is commonly understood, yes, I think messaging and policies are both irrelevant. the algorithm is what matters

and I'm not sure why you are so offended by the idea that both parties are guilty of using language that implicitly equates white, cishet, christian americans with "regular honest workaday people", but if you don't see it for yourself, you're certainly not going to be swayed by anything I would have to say

THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE DEMOCRATS MUST FOCUS ON IS SECURING THE SANCTITY OF THE BALLOT BOX AND THE DESTRUCTION OF GERRYMANDERED DISTRICTS

also talking with you is exhausting because you instantly escalate every disagreement, even imagined ones, to nuclear defcon 5 response style, I popped into this thread thinking there might be like minded people frustrated and dismayed with the outcome and the status quo but instead it seems like I might as well be arguing with a MAGA over death camps, so it's my turn to duck out, at least for now, maybe I'll come back later

Offering quality of life and prosperity to everybody and capturing a few votes from chuds is not even close to dog whistling. This is why you got called disingenuous before, and now twice.

messaging doesn't matter the algo does

I wonder if social media platforms would be a place that you could do campaign messaging on?
They literally had a handful of trends at the beginning and then fell off, if you don't do much on the stage not much will be posted to tik-tok.
The failure to build a social media presence IS a messaging failure.
Not to keep going back to it, but Obama pioneered that, the dems had 16 years to learn from their own success and failed!

The conversation was started by accusing me of not voting, and implicitly blaming working people for Kamala losing.
Then she started actively lying.

Sorry to say, but doing class antagonism and blaming the working poor for the failures of the powerful is a lot more MAGA than crashing out on someone like that.

so you want the democratic party of the 1900s?

I get it now. you're having trouble differentiating between posters and you're just blindly raging at anyone who replies to you

whoever you're mad at, it wasn't me. bye for now

Um if anyone of the things I said addressed something you said my anger was well placed, bye.

This thread is so fucking Reddit it hurts

imagine believing that you could vote our problems away after how they failed us over and over. i'd sooner jump off a bridge

chaz/chop will save us
fuck those potato farms in maine and idaho and fuck corn too.
chaz/chop are the real growers

you dont have gas unless it was grown in the chaz/chop coffee pot

I want to repeal Hart-Cellar

Trans women are retards obviously they won't

kamala was pro trans, she always made pro trans statements when asked. Biden has the best pro trans track record of any president in history.

she lost because of Palestine. that's it. like 5% of dem voters stayed home because of support for Isreal

she lost because republicans got 3 million votes thrown out in key states

yeah, this, revolutionary larpers cost the election