QOTT: at what point does it become too late to desist?
can I post if I’m currently transitioning but think of detrans or desisting?
Yes
/detrans/gen - happy monday edition
The question is not when it becomes too late to "desist" but when it becomes too late to retransition. (Which is the only option detrans leads to other than substance abuse/early death/poor health outcomes)
I'm a mtftmtf retransitioner in my 30s. I survived detransition, thought the trans thoughts were dead and buried. I experienced the pits of repression, and I was eventually able to find my way out and retransition.
I'm happy to talk with anyone who is thinking about detransing, talk about my experiences and discuss detransing in a judgment free way. None of you are alone. Happy to connect with anyone who wants to talk more evia discord as well.
What is the difference between detrans/desist?
I know all the studies that remark about low detrans rates end up with like 30% dropout rates (that they don’t count for some reason)
It's the opposite actually. The lone study that reported a high desist rate didn't count those who stopped following up. And of course the study probably selected for people who considered transsexuals an illness and also created a pathologizing environment that reinforced that belief. It was also conducted in the 90s I believe.
I was referring to the one using VA data from like last year. Dropout rates of GAHT are always like 10-20%. Probably way more for DIY just judging by this board
could be people getting too lazy to follow with the study? This is the main thing suggested in dropouts for nearly any human study. People just dont want to.
desist just means reidentify, generally used by anti-trans people who never medically transitioned. it's a concept borrowed from psychology and is used in a way that implies having a trans identity is something inherently negative and should be overcome. as such i don't like using it tbdesu
What made you realize transition was right? I've felt dysphoria basically my whole life yet I'm scared of regretting transitioning. I don't trust my own thoughts.
Well i was stupid. I had to rule literally everything else out. Tried living a straight male life with Gf, tried weight training, tried religion, tried SSRI + anti psychotic, and then I tried repressing with drugs, videogames, escapism and apathy.
It all just led me back to the same place. Internally, just felt like a woman. I could only be authentic with someone and experience love as a woman. It would leak out no matter how hard I tried to repress it, over and over and over.
Eventually i just accepted it's who i am and decided to love myself. I known it's maybe not a very complicated answer and maybe doesn't address whatever doubts you may have, but for me detranistioning was primarily about taking the "easy way out," because I felt i would never pass or be feminine enough. Eventually I found out your identity exists independently of what anyone else may think.
Based
After how long and at what age did you commit for the first transition?
/detrans/gen
L M A O
is killing yourself like the same as detrans in a way? they won’t be able to tell my gender from my skeleton
Is this real
Anyways, i feel like transitioning for me is just some sort of weird sexual ritual or something. I do not want to be trans and I do not believe i am a woman
I genuinely don’t understand why anyone would ever voluntarily detroon unless they faked having dysphoria in the first place. My plan if my transition failed and I became a hon was to hrt manmode as a hermit and artmaxx, if that didn’t reduce my dysphoria to tolerable levels I would seppuku. Living as a normal man on T sounds more unpleasant than dying to me so I don’t understand why anyone would ever do that.
100% real yes.
I have dysphoria but I am convinced I can overcome it with the right thinking. I don't believe i am destined to transition or anything like that. im just an agp who has dysphoria because of it
Have you read detransition baby
I would say I comitted shortly before age 22 when I told everyone my name and started wearing women's clothes. It took me 6 months to get on hrt, but I was unnaturally soft and feminine so other than no boobs I looked pretty good pre HRT.
I detransed at 23 about a year and a half later after being on HRT for a year. Things were bad with my family iand I was scared for the future, I took acid and had this bad trip where I felt really negatively about myself and how I was acting childish, and I made my friend cut my hair and just started saying i didn't care about gender. Eventually said I had detransed because I couldn't pass etc.
I don't not want to be trans
None of us do.
I don't not think I am a woman
So why do you want to become one as part of a "sexual ritual?"
You're not destined for anything but any cope you come up with has a limited shelf life. The thoughts always comeback eventually.
detrans thread
look inside
trannies defending their bad decisions
many such cases
i was massively dysphoric as a kid, detransed at 18, and haven't seriously felt jealous of women since. you need to work on the issues that led you to troon in the first place or else you'll be "repping" forever
So then why are you still here?
It’s going to be so common soon. I know everyone’s been saying 2 more weeks for 10 years but we get way more
I’m detransing/thinking about detransing
Threads than we do
should I transition
Ones now
still on here
KEK
That's verifiably false lol and also it is a good thing if the amount of trannies peaks. Do you want the whole human race to be on HRT?
People have been trying since the 1970s to prove most trans people detrans. But then idea that massive amounts of people mistakenly change their whole gender and erroneously take HRT and surgeries has always been entirely made up. The overwhelming majority of people know themselves and can make their own decisions on it reliably.
cute bois should be fembois and let themselves be fucked by older man instead of pretending to be a women and cut off the d***
we need cute femboi love, dicks need to be intact and the chest flat and prefect!
ok tourist go verify.
because 5 years ago this board was thread after thread of encouraging each other to go on estrogen and now it’s just not the case at all
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Millions must detroon and become terfs
Femboys are cutest when they have big boobies
Femboys are trans women, detransitioners are just brainwashed by conservative media.
wrong faggot freak
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you are malebrained cisrepping. Unfortunately Humpty Dumpty principle means its impossible to fix you. All cracked eggs are cisreppers.
Detransitioner femboys are just women who've passed the test into understanding that if you are a woman you don't need to call yourself a woman in order to be one
Awww someone needs her swollen titties pinched
So the explanation for that js that most people who were going to come out have. It doesn't then follow that they're going to detroon.
If detransitioning were common it would be studied and proven by now. But instead transphobes are always running away from any actual data on how many people detransition.
I actually agree because I’ve been calling half of you fakers since before then lmao, wheat from the chaff and all that
If detransitioning were common it would be studied and proven by now
this is a really dumb thing to say.
10 years isn’t nearly enough time and it’s only been 10 years since neotranners went fully throttle. The 15 year mark is the standard. And detransition rates have been increasing as the years progress.
frankly how do you even conduct a proper study of something like DIY?
it’s like talking to a christcuck. Honscientists are borderline religious zealots
4 years into this shit and i feel the same way, i dont know why i feel like i need to be a tranny, i just do. its been bugging me all my life but at the same time its like i dont really identify with it and it feels just like another mask im trying to wear
i think i am deeply mentally ill in some way i havent fully figured out yet and until i do ill keep having these urges to take on a new self and personality because its a cope for not really knowing who i am. im just empty, theres no female or male soul in there, just me pretending
just be a femboy and enjoy the best from both souls
yeah i spent 10 years trying to do that until i masculinised too much and felt like i was gonna rope, now i feel like im forced to pretend i want to be a girl in order to not become a completely empty self hating shell
Madonna “Forever Young” syndrome
Why is there a Christianity general here? It doesn't have anything to do with LGBT.
shitty brickwalled 2001 remaster and not the original version of the album
because i'm still a fag :(
Anon,
You're asking me to believe that large amounts of people *accidently* take erogenous hormones and get life altering surgeries. Like that this is a thing people do without being sure, and that these people have now detransitioned and are living happy dysohoria free lives. Not alcoholics hating every minute and reverting that they "will never be women" but have cured their dysphoria.
And You're telling me in 5 10 or 15 years time this massive wave is going to break, and everywhere people will just be curing GD and realizing en masses "we were just groomed" or whatever.
What this is, i think, is a faulure to appreciate the amount of care and thoughtfulness that the average person puts into gender transition. It'a a form of wishful thinking where you think that, because a lot of trans people are autistic or mentally vulnerable or unreliable in some way, that they must have been wrong about transitioning and it will all come out later.
Frankly it's just stereotypes and fearmongering. There's no quantitative aspect to all this and if you think about it it just doesn't make sense. Why would someone mistakenly become trans if they weren't?
converting to christianity actually works tho. if u don't believe in god you will never know whether trooning is right or wrong & be tortured by repperthoughts forever
Anon, the whole idea that homosexuality is innate and not a curable illness only gathered steam in the 1970s.
You are secure in being homosexual because it hasn't been culturally called into question. In the past it was, and you had plenty of people identifying as ex gay and getting electroshock therapy to stop being gay.
**exogenous
all christfags are closeted gay, you too
i'm not "secure in being homosexual". sodomy is wrong. not sure whether or not it's a curable illness but it's at least something i can have and discuss without acting upon
no, "erogenous" is correct
Stay away from the evil christfag that preaches feminism and man-hatred. Only men are human and only their affection can be truly valuable.
the person who groomed me the most is myself, im profoundly fucked in the head, its not just gender dysphoria that might make someone want to transition
dysphoria is not being “jealous of women” you dumb shill, the issue that led me to troon was wanting/needing breasts (and all the other physical effects ofc but listing everything wouldn’t be as concise)
Also you never mentioned when you actually trooned, if ever (assuming you’re not just lying). If you trooned and detrooned within the same few months of being 18 or something like that it would actually make your story way less credible, not more.
so are you one of those “trans is the new conversion therapy!!!” caricatures but actually real? Sad if true. God doesn’t want you to hate yourself and be miserable for no reason, loving a man as a man doesn’t hurt anyone (well unless you’re one of those Grindr freaks who likes to have monkeypox orgies or something but I don’t really consider that love)
i was almost a year on hrt before i decided to quit and i don't regret it. hrt didn't alleviate any dysphoria because there's nothing left for it to save. manmoding isn't really much better than repping once you have no chance of passing or looking like anything but a man with gyno.
based honestly
being a tranny is legitimate, but like anything it can be used as a coping mechanism for other issues. there are many many reasons someone might want to escape themselves or their identity, no different to how people develop addictions. trannies will never acknowledge this though
I’m an mtfteunuch……. I surprisingly don’t miss my dick but lament that people are weird about eunuchs.
i trooned publicly @ 15, hrt at 17. i wanted breasts and stuff too but i've since realised that my purpose isn't to want those things and am a lot better off for it. it wasn't conversion therapy -- tranny & gay stuff are two expressions of the same belief system
i do love men & try not to be ashamed of it but i also think sex for purposes other than procreation is degrading. if i could be in an intimate non-sexual relationship w/ another man who felt the same, i would, but homos as a group are so psyopped that this is pretty much an impossibility
there's nothing that distinguishes monkeypox orgies from "responsible" homosexual activity; it's all wasted potency