Why do you think everyone hates you trannies?

You should’ve listened when we told you they were making video games fake and gay instead of marching against Jordan Peterson ladies

Trans women are men.
Trans men are women.

It's not like those of us that just stayed in our own spaces doing our own stuff had any means of doing anything, there's no central tranny committee we go through.
Also transgender issues are ones that require a nuanced approach but literally nowhere in the history of humanity is nuance found in public discourse, so we were basically doomed when the genie was let out of the bottle. Doesnt help that an inflammatory statements are what algorithms naturally propel

I still have more rights and am hated far less by society than I was ten years ago.
You're not winning anything lmfao. You treat your politics like you treat your crypto. Put every cent and hope into the dead cat bounce.

We're in the age of social media. A single comment against that lunacy was enough to show normal people that you weren't a monolith but it's too late now.

nuance

You were the ones that lacked nuance. As OP said being content with adult hrt and legal gender change was enough back them.

hated far less

No, you were ignored ten years ago now people that ignored you hates you.

The harsh reality is that the mere existence of trannies is irreconcilable with the heuristics and assumptions of several popular ideologies.

sexism

If trannies exist then sex is either not immutable (in which case sexism makes no sense because biology at birth isn't destiny) or sex at birth is not a reliable indicator of human worth and potential in any given area (in which case sexism makes no sense). There are ways to resolve these contradictions that maintain sexism, but most sexists just react violently to trannies.

TERFs

I need not repeat about TERFs the same arguments already made about sexists, but for TERFs the concept of trannies also corrupts their (white supremacist) conception of a 'pure' womanhood to which women need to return. This is also why TERFs were and are so frequently also racists.

Nature worshippers and postmodernists

Trannies transcend nature through our use of modern medical technology. To medically transition is an act of modernist subjugation of nature via science, and this threatens both the nature-worshipper's belief in nature's sacrosanctity, and the postmodernist's belief that modernism is a dead letter consigned to the 20th century.
I could go on all day, but basically only the commies and anarchists can ever really love us because we're a walking contradiction to the ideologies of the rest of society.

but anon trannies are the most sexist people alive

ppl were literally cheering on AIDS in the 80s

and I'm supposed to believe everyone magically forgot they hated the gays in the 2010s and are totally cool with it now

You're a contradiction against science and materialism, I'm not kidding saying that your kind hurted trust in science so much that if the chinese didn't embraced renewables like they did you'll be one of the biggest culprits of the extinction of the human race because your shitty science hurts the credibility of all scientists in the west.

a single social media comment....can change the world

Pure fantasy my friend but I love the idyllic world you conjure where the times I've stood up and gone "that's fucking stupid and you're being misogynistic" led to us all holding hands and singing.

>nuance

If it wasn't clear I meant there's a lack of nuance in both sides, hence the other trans women that I thought(think) are stupid and misogynistic.

trans women hate men far more than they hate women

You really can see them almost word for word recycle the anti gay rhetoric into anti trans rhetoric, with a sprinkling of recycled antisemitic conspiracy about how we're infiltrators and controlling puppeteers

You can say that about anything really though. There’s only a few different ways and reasons humans can hate something

Did you made even more noise? Called a group of friends to support you? Because I've rarelly saw a single tranny calling out the BS of hons and other idiots at the time.

I don't see how any feelings trans women have towards men are relevant, and either way I would say being misogynistic is worse (and certainly a greater concern in public discourse) than being misandrist. I would say a lot of trans women's hatred of men is just neuroticism from their pretransition life
Fuck me I've been a lot of things but someone who fits activism between working and studying isn't one of them. I talk with the few trans people I can openly discuss these things with as friends and equals without fear of reprisal and hope that just existing as a normal tranny does *something* for the perception of us. Fucking doubt it though.
If it makes you feel any better all of our communities are crabs in a bucket scenario where all of our worst offenses are inflicted on each other and the male/female gender war gets played out on mtf/ftm lines only in a retarded Olympics of who suffers more.

hons are the most inherently “visible” trannies while also typically being extremely grotesque in both appearance and behavior
A single comment against that lunacy was enough to show normal people that you weren't a monolith
well I’ve made way more than a single comment and it doesn’t seem to have change anything

People don't like being told what to think.

If you tell everyone you're gay, then you're just stating a preference.

If you tell everyone you're a trans woman, then there is often an implicit, if not explicit, declaration that you have a female brain or soul or something like that. That you're no different from any other woman, you just happen to have been "assigned" male. That you've always been a woman despite how other people remember you. Etc etc. Obligatory not all trans women feel this way, but even if you don't phrase it that way to the people in your life, that is how people are being told to think about trans people by activists and sympathetic liberals. I think a lot of people grow to resent that.

Cope and seethe fake materialist poser lmfao, we are the vanguard of science AND materialism.

How the fuck the hons were capable to build better organizations than you? I don't know if there was a conspiracy or something like that going on because I can't see hons building their own organizations by themselves with all the mental problems they have.

normal looking trannies can just integrate into normal society, being a part of a tranny organization isn’t exactly appealing to people who want to be normal

There aren't any organizations to my knowledge at least, there's people that feel an unjustified rabid moral righteousness and poor impulse control that think overt hostility and chanting dogma are a form of activism. They're all fucking each other too, the only organizational aspect is the polycule/nudes swapping part of it.
I mean, I was overly defensive about my identity at one point but never to that level and I stayed the fuck off social media about it. I don't think there was ever a world where more moderate voices became the dominant ones, you don't see passing rich tranners who hold moderate opinions very eager to attach themselves to a tranny rights movement or use their funds to start PR campaigns

Either you’re too young and naive or you have amnesia but I’m pretty sure people had the same hatred and vitriol for gay people especially during the aids crisis that still persisted even when I was a kid. Like even the arguements were the same people saying “the gays pushed too hard with their agenda they should’ve just settled for civil unions instead of marriage they’re intruding on the freedoms of religious people!”
t. Cis gay

Why do you think everyone hates you trannies?

1) Uncanny face.

2) Anti-logic in terms of common sense.

Oh boy. I can't believe I'm going to write this but you needed a to mantain some of your identity to at least try to control the discourse, in a organized way, instead of trying to assimilate into the mainstream.

the idea that there are "passing" trannies who we cannot tell are male is really why I hate trannies the most
you are so committed to tricking me but won't even admit it

hello gincel, are the trannies at your college still bullying you?

Hindsight is 20/20. There's never really been a "good" time to be publicly transgender. I try not to dwell on things that I couldn't predict.

but everyone actually fucking despises you

This is above and beyond the gay reaction.
Accepting gays at the core is a libertarian argument, "get out of my bedroom."
Accepting tranners requires accepting a heavy baggage cart full of social and philosophical impositions.

get out of my doctor’s office

Sure, get out of womens' sports and stop demanding mass and institutional affirmation that you really are the gender you claim.

I unironically think if we had a trans women against trans women in female sports organization I would start finding razor blades in my shoes. Maybe I'm just too prone to pessimism but I can't imagine it wins any points with like, anyone, trans or not.

Shut your bitch ass up. Stop replying to yourself on Anon Babble. Close the tab. And then go take a shower.

Trannies in female sports was one of the stupid things that needed to be shamed by decent trans people.

these niggas hate everything

retard doesn't know about the struggle for gay rights

Conservatists were reacting the same towards emancipation and gay rights as they do now
They're dementia riddled retards stuck in a behavioral loop.
Hell the rhetoric nowadays is almost a carbon copy of the D&D and pokemania days when it comes to "X will corrupt and kill da children"

Grow up kiddo

Decent trans people

Nah that's retarded shit my nigger.
Actual decent trans people would not give a single inch to cis people whether or not is was a wall they wanted to die on.
"Decent trans people" is the reason we keep losing more rights. "Decent trans people" trying to take a moderate stance are used as props at any opportunity to add weight to your rights being taken away. only decent to our enemies.

I don’t care about sportsketball whatsoever and am anti-sportshon for optics reasons, but making me out myself on IDs is both pointless and a violation of my privacy

Hill to die on*, same shit

Amen
Conservatives are like chasers
They should never get even an inch

I just can't defend hons being creepy or thinking they're teenagers, sorry anon.

med rights to troon and legal gender change

was it the bathrooms stuff

The point wasnt to argue about sports in actuality, it's to show how the baggage required to socially accept transgenderism is larger than to accept gays.

So weird how the punk movement co-opted the niche medical psychology of disabled people that want to be the other sex

overestimating how much people hate trannies.

Not possible

Imagine having lived through the last 2 years and coming away from it thinking,

if only we had gone ever harder on dying on niche hills, that would've secured our rights for sure!

still doing this cringe “LARPing as a revolutionary” thing

You didn't follow the conversation, right? The "non-decent" trans people are the ones responsible for the construction of a entire coalition against you. Gays expelled the pedos and embraced their "decency" by wanting to build their own "nuclear" families, yes I know that's not the norm but in the eyes of society that's just men being men.

Show me literally 1 moderate trans person being used for that exact thing
Im not even against obliterating nuance on the trans sports thing, but fuck me even trying to slightly go "people transitioning in adulthood should play in a different league than cis women" gets this kind of response ffs
I do think its fine for kids that never experienced a male puberty, I had an old roommate like that and she played volleyball and no one really cared, she was openly trans and also not that exceptional at volleyball

based

You act like their aren’t always backlashes towards civil rights movements what makes this one so different?

The core reason is that guys massively watch tranny porn and it hurts something very deep in their primal nature that causes them to lash out in a fit of rage.

If you tell everyone you're gay, then you're just stating a preference.

this is really very funny because this was not always the accepted default

If you tell everyone you're gay, then there is often an implicit, if not explicit, declaration that you're no different from any other person, you just happen to "prefer" the same sex. That you've always preferred the same sex despite how other people remember you. Etc etc. Obligatory not all gays feel this way, but even if you don't phrase it that way to the people in your life, that is how people are being told to think about gay by activists and sympathetic liberals. I think a lot of people grow to resent that.

it really wasn't so long ago that being gay was commonly seen as not just an abomination, but as a mental illness, a personal mistake, an issue of self-image, ego-dystonic, or that deep down they were just damaged/broken/insane heterosexuals that tragically got lost along the way.

the sheer irony here is that you say "people don't like being told what to think" when you've already had your mind made up about gay people by the society around you. re-examine your own beliefs.

the existence of historical backlashes means that we should just be free to double and triple down on niche issues regardless of any cost

How do you think those backlashes built momentum?
What do you think contributes to the magnitude and duration of a backlash?

NTA. Never in history was a backlash so hard that even your own allies became your enemies.

That anon is too young to remember when 'conversion therapy' referred to trying to force gay people to be straight, instead of trying to make transsexuals cis.

That only happened because dems were spineless retards who didn't have the strength and the courage to imprison Trump or find a way of stripping him of political rights.
Same exact script that was followed in the US on the advice of Steve Bannon and other scumbags was followed where I'm at (Brazil), but we stripped Bolsonaro of political rights and he's on the verge of going to prison for good, every single one of his lackeys is fucked with the law and the courts.

Gays are still very much hated. People fucking hate gays with fierce hatred, even those trying to present as "normal"

I'm not in the wrong!

anyone who won't follow me in 100% lockstep delusion and pay all the costs I say are worth it is a spineless retard enemy

How to win friends and influence people, the post. Keep it up, we'll start exterminating trans people by 2035 just to get rid of the annoyance.

nta but what's the alternative? sit down silently while they take those right away instead? its taken two years (15 or so years in reality) and is still a hot topic specifically because the people who refuse to let it happen

Good thing the US has easily accessible guns, fucking retard, every US tranny who doesn't yet own a firearm should own one, simple as.

people totally accept gays now and only trannies are hated, you can't question this narrative :^)

You can't compare Lula and the PT with the democrats because they actually care about the economy of the common people instead of trying to force id bulshit.

Take a lesson from blue collar labor unions. Prioritize what actually matters. Ruthlessly cut priorities that are not feasible, not actually helpful, or are not worth the political capital. Give and take. Appeal to emotion but don't oversaturate so that you drain the empathy of your audience. Build a broad coalition that isn't some niche genderqueer ingrown. Etc etc.

funniest thing is there's no even any gays in all these astroturfed lgb no t groups. It's all very much out in the open, the leadership, the funding, everything

just shoot your way out

Agreed that everyone should exercise their 2A rights, but holy shit you're a grade AA moron anon. In a nation which owns 1.5 firearms per person, who do you think owns the guns?

Nobody will miss an incel neonazi skinhead though, literally not a single person, nobody will miss a red blooded MAGA trumper redneck either.

muh wombynly wombyn

The only heckin wombyn that stirred up a controversy around it were old hags who wanted to feel special and to groom some young girls back into being baby factories, genuinely nobody else cared

In your mind, whom do you imagine your rhetoric is convincing?

That's nice, keep going anon, it's been working out so well for you.

Lurkers take note, this is the shrill-radical archetype to ostracize from your groups.

but that assumes there's an endgame when there isn't, right? there's only so many things they can take away before they take us away
like you should want barriers between what you have right now and genocide.. at least that just seems really obvious to me

It's true though.

I'm just acting normal so that no chud has a problem with me unless they're totary deranged, just being a good tranny rep is enough

Blaire white
Cuck angel
Aaron kimberly
That one ftm with a terf wife
Kelly cardigan

The women who care are women who are either paranoid types that believe that some rapehon is going to attack them out of nowhere because they see them as males and feel this way about all males, or women who are ugly and insecure enough that they legitimately think of transsexuals as sexual competition for men's attention and so wish to destroy them the same way they do women in video games and cartoons.

but that assumes there's an endgame when there isn't, right?

If there's no endgame, might as well KYS right now (don't, btw).

More conveniently, if there's no endgame, change isn't possible, and trannies individually or as a group don't have to regulate or alter their behavior or be strategic. They can simply yell and cry and shidd and fard and feel righteous while also being completely ineffectual.

NTA but read some books about organizational development. Companies developed a way to change their internal collective culture that can be useful when we talk about social progress.

Yes keep reinforcing the coalition against us, that will show them.

The first has heavy overlap with the second

Yes, but like any good venn diagram you will find those who fit into only one.

Build that coalition

Build? I'm pointing out the primary motivation from a woman's perspective. Identify, not enforce.

Their main motivation always was that they don't feel comfortable among men. Women developed their own spaces to be themselves and now a lot of hons are trying to intrude in those spaces. That's the origin lf the backlash.

Wow I covered those, look

women who are either paranoid types that believe that some rapehon is going to attack them out of nowhere because they see them as males and feel this way about all males

You don't get it. This doesn'r have anything to do with paranoia but with being free to do whatever the fuck they want without a male watching, and judging them.

Lack of comfort around men proceeds from fear, unreasonable and obsessive fear is paranoia. I'm not even someone who thinks they should be FORCED to share a bathroom with a hon; I believe in free association. At best, we should follow the basic sniff test that non-passers go to unisex bathrooms, and what bathroom a passer isn't your business. Rather, I'm simply expressing an observed fact: those women are paranoid that hons are coming to rape them, which is why they hate transsexuals. They imagine them as evil men coming to rape them specifically.

We're not talking only about bathrooms but rape isn't the only bad thing that men in dresses can do. In Korea men used hidden cameras to take photos of women in their bathroom to sell them afterwards. Also male behavious can be very uncomfortable even for other men, I don't give a fuck that your a loud guy i don't want to hear you doing so much noise when I'm in the bathroom.

the real answer is that, throughout most of its history, gender affirming care (GAC) was gatekept and typically restricted to those who were highly likely to pass and agreed to stealth. the public rarely thought about trans people, and coverage of them in media was mostly limited to human interest stories depicting them as medical curiosities. this started to change at the beginning of the 21st century, when the developed world began to shift to an informed consent model that removed a lot of the gatekeeping. this resulted in an increase in the number of trans people who were unwilling or unable to integrate into normative gender roles.

by the mid-2010’s, trans issues started to become more visible on social media. these initially garnered a lot of public and institutional support, since at this point the public still imagined trans women and trans men as being roughly the same as “normal” women and men. this was also accompanied by a dramatic increase in adolescent girls seeking referral for GAC, a reduction of the threshold at which agp males consider themselves appropriate candidates for GAC, greater encouragement for highly gender non-conforming trans people to be visible, etc.

it turned out that there are actually a LOT of reasons people may desire GAC, beyond “gender dysphoria” as initially conceptualized by doctors ~80 years ago in the Weimar republic. but the conceptual framing of GAC has not really evolved with the changing patient presentation, so we have wound up with this population of people who are very visible and insisting they are men or women in a way that is completely antagonistic to existing gender norms.

this makes them good scapegoats. they also draw a lot of ire, scorn, and contempt from normies who rely on norms to navigate their social reality. i think a lot of people have whiplash, too, given how quickly the way they were being asked to conceptualize trans people has changed.

hope this helps.

How can you be so dense that I'm using rape as simply an example of the most serious thing they're afraid a transsexual will do to them? The point isn't the specific act, it's the entire "trannies are coming to get me; men coming to get me" mindset that you're being specifically targeted for victimization. But you also seem to be deep into the "men are all looking to hurt me camp" so that's probably why you don't want to engage with that point, because you inherently believe they are your enemy.

my husband doesn't hate trannies.

You're the paranoid one. What they dislike is some hon acting like a dudebro ruining the entire social enviroment.

If that was the case, they wouldn't be screaming about transsexuals getting into the women's bathroom to rape them. You're ignoring that this is very specifically a scenario they obsess over.

I love this selective memory from disingenuous retards.
the reaction was just disgust right? Not like gays were actively assaulted in the past just because they were gay. Parents were only disappointed never horribly abusive right? Conservatives see no difference between gay and trans and there's no good trans or gays to them just pawns they feel like they can use to roll back peoples rights. stop trying to suck the dicks of people that don't want you to exist

Conservatives see no difference between gay and trans and there's no good trans or gays to them just pawns they feel like they can use to roll back peoples rights

This sort of projection is why you lost independents and moderate dems btw.
Take off your cartoon villain tinted lenses sometime.

No it isn't, all trannies have to do is look less unhinged than conservatives, which is getting easier and easier by day

Actual decent trans people would not give a single inch to cis people

Definitely sounds like a logical and beloved transperson
kek
Pretty sure cis people will accept us faster if all trannies think like you

all trannies have to do is look less unhinged than conservatives, which is getting easier and easier by day

not understanding the next decade of political demography

Youd better hope that Judis and Teixeira are catastrophically wrong, lol.

I live in a red area and I've been a republican my entire life I know what conservatives think

Wrong, you know what Republicans within 50 miles of you and Republicans with your particular brainworms think.