Would you reframe from calling a "cis" person cis if they asked?
Question for Trans People:
*refrain
no, go fuck yourself
sure but it wouldnt make sense to me in the slightest
id start doing it again if they called me trans tho
We never actually approach any cis person by calling them cis, I don't talk to my pharmacist like "Hey, cis lady!" or anything like that. No one uses the term cis in real life unless we're specifying if a person is, like if I'm not sure and I ask someone "Wait, are you cis?" but that's just normal ways to talk to people.
Why not?
Well the reason l dont like being called it as a """"cis""""-heterosexual man l feel it undermines my gender identity as it sounds like "sissy" to me.
l would hope trans people of all people would understand what that feels like
l dont live in an area where it often comes up in conversation but l've heard it used online l've seen things go from online to real life enough to feel its worth saying something.
Be careful of what you wish for.
TRAs are the Ministry of Truth and will redefine words, create new words, and remove "problematic" words to suit their agenda.
Currently it's perfectly fine to say trans woman & cis woman. Because they're different, right?
But the TRAs don't want you to differentiate between them.
With a decade, the words trans and cis will be labelled "transphobic". Trans woman will be simply called woman. Using any qualifier will be a thoughtcrime.
It's not really worth saying something about, it's just the way things are. Does it offend you to be called human? To be told you live on Earth? To call you by your name? In what context is it you would not want someone to refer to you as cis?
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i dont see why it'd ever come up in organic conversation unless you need to make an express distinction between trans and cis people in the first place, which is usually only done with impersonal statements
I'd be willing to call you cisgender instead, but that's about it.
You sound insanely insecure, but this is at least 10% more comprehensible than when straggots whined about being called 'straight' because they were 'just normal' back in the 2000s.
yes, id start calling them cissoid
Well the reason l dont like being called it as a """"cis""""-heterosexual man l feel it undermines my gender identity as it sounds like "sissy" to me.
Sounds like a "You" problem, to be fair.
Although, the word cis is actually quite redundant, and is generally used in either ignorance or malice.
Cis literally just means "on the side of", with trans being "on the other side of".
Let them do their thing and stop getting so emotional about it.
i've never called somebody cis directly. usually i just use the term to refer to non trans people as a whole class. it would be like needing a wheelchair and calling someone that doesnt need one a "walker"
I will call people what they want to be called
I'm fine with neopronous too :3
Does it offend you to be called human?
No because human doesn't sound like "sissy"
To be told you live on Earth?
No because that doesn't have anthing to do with my gender identity.
To call you by your name?
No because if l didn't like it l could get it changed.
In what context is it you would not want someone to refer to you as cis?
Any really, l dont like being identified as such.
I'd be willing to call you cisgender instead, but that's about it.
Why?
Why cant l identify with a gender defined by a term other then cis??
l'd being called "non-trans"
lf that sounds do exlcusionary we could just make up another term from ""cis"" people: why not just call us "mit" people?
You sound insanely insecure
l mean l would hope people who suffer from feelings of dysphoria of all people could empathies.
Yes l am insecure.
My Dad was an angry fuck.
l dont want to be called a "SisSHlT"
Why not be kind?
Sounds like a "You" problem, to be fair.
Could you make the same argument about anyone who has ever had an issue with being misgendered though??
Let them do their thing and stop getting so emotional about it.
But its okay for THEM to get emotional?
Why???
Why am l the only person earth whose feelings dont matter??
Thank you for being kind..
>Sounds like a "You" problem, to be fair.
Could you make the same argument about anyone who has ever had an issue with being misgendered though??
Yes
>Let them do their thing and stop getting so emotional about it.
But its okay for THEM to get emotional?
Why???
No, but considering they are suffering from what was once deemed a mental illness, and also dosing themselves up on hormones and god knows what else, I'd be more inclined to give them a pass.
Why am l the only person earth whose feelings dont matter??
Nobody said that, but you are becoming a whining wreck just for being affirmed as a heterosexual man.
No, but considering they are suffering from what was once deemed a mental illness, and also dosing themselves up on hormones and god knows what else, I'd be more inclined to give them a pass.
How do you know l'm not mentally ill??
Nobody said that, but you are becoming a whining wreck just for being affirmed as a heterosexual man.
No what l'm whinning abot is being called a "sis-SHlT" because l dont like the way it sounds it hurts my feelings.
reframe
you literally sound like a cissy
cis-SHIT
If anyone calls you cis-shit, that does sound offensive. But I've never heard of that.
Idk, it's not like I've ever addressed anyone like "Hello, cis-Perry."
It reminds me of the people who got upset about the word heterosexual, and argued there shouldn't be a word for it.
>No, but considering they are suffering from what was once deemed a mental illness, and also dosing themselves up on hormones and god knows what else, I'd be more inclined to give them a pass.
How do you know l'm not mentally ill??
You are on Anon Babble.
I can guarantee that you aren't all there.
But if you are so happy in your body and identity, that puts you in a better state of mind than many others.
>Nobody said that, but you are becoming a whining wreck just for being affirmed as a heterosexual man.
No what l'm whinning abot is being called a "sis-SHlT" because l dont like the way it sounds it hurts my feelings.
It is CIS. It is Latin. It is a real word, with a real meaning.
Redundant? Yes.
Accurate? Also Yes.
If your gripe is with the fact that cis sounds like sissy, you seem like you are just looking for a reason to be offended.
Either that, or some identity issues.
This is what l mean.
And this is why its hard to have empathy for people who have no empathy for you.
Couldnt you just call someone straight if they didn't like the term??
yeah
NO SOCIETY MUST CHANGE IT'S ENTIRE CORE VOCABULARY FOR ME AND THE 4 OTHER TRANS PEOPLE I KNOW
Sure, I would, because it's basically the same thing. But such people would probably also be upset at the word straight for the same reason.
If you really were adamant about people not saying you're "cis" when talking about you, but rather "non-trans," I guess I'd do that. I just wouldn't see why. And I'd clarify that "cis" and "non-trans" mean the same thing: "cis" is the opposite of "trans" just from a Latin roots perspective.
But if you are so happy in your body and identity, that puts you in a better state of mind than many others.
l'm not happy in my identity though.
l am identified as "cis" and l dont like that.
It is CIS. It is Latin. It is a real word, with a real meaning.
So is negroe.
lf a black person asked you to not call them negroe would you not reframe?
If your gripe is with the fact that cis sounds like sissy, you seem like you are just looking for a reason to be offended.
l am looking to se if peope who want my empathy, who want me to call them something are willing to show me similar empathy in return.
Sincerely l do not like the word.
lf the fact l dont like it means enough to you that you'd stop calling me that if l asked then l can understand recipricating the same respect to you.
lf not though..
lsn't that what anyone who asks for new pronouns demands??
Sure, I would, because it's basically the same thing. But such people would probably also be upset at the word straight for the same reason.
l'm not bothered by either so l gues l cant speak for them.
"Het" doesn't sound like anything demeaning to me.
If you really were adamant about people not saying you're "cis" when talking about you, but rather "non-trans," I guess I'd do that.
Thank you.
I just wouldn't see why. And I'd clarify that "cis" and "non-trans" mean the same thing: "cis" is the opposite of "trans" just from a Latin roots perspective.
Black and Negroe mean the same things to dude.
Some words just cutt people deep.
if youre an ally sure, if youre some dipshit conservatard its the last time we speak basically
absolutely not cissie
Black and Negroe mean the same things to dude
If you're implying when a trans person calls you cis it's the same as a white person calling a black person a negro, that's where I'd stop you take offense myself. Cis people are not persecuted. Cis people are not minorities. Cis people aren't second class citizens. There is no history of targeted violence against cis people.
No. I refer to cis people as that on purpose in daily life. I will also ask them specific questions about their "community" or why they do certain things. I don't really understand their ideals or communities so it's better to ask upfront than pretend I know, but I have had plenty get mad at me for calling them "cis".
Understandable perspective.
Why not?
l'm not l'm just demonstrating the point that an otherwise mundane term can illicit a trama response from others depending on their own lived experience.
Why do you do this if you know it causes them pain?
l'm not happy in my identity though.
l am identified as "cis" and l dont like that.
Don't listen to TQ people then?
So is negroe.
lf a black person asked you to not call them negroe would you not reframe?
Negro is also redundant.
However, the language I speak (English) pulls a lot from Latin.
Negro is Spanish/Portuguese.
l am looking to se if peope who want my empathy, who want me to call them something are willing to show me similar empathy in return.
Sincerely l do not like the word.
lf the fact l dont like it means enough to you that you'd stop calling me that if l asked then l can understand recipricating the same respect to you.
lf not though..
I'm not trans, never have been. Never will be. So when I, as a cis heterosexual man, call you cis, it is done with the absolute intention to wind you up :)
So when I, as a cis heterosexual man, call you cis, it is done with the absolute intention to wind you up :)
Why would you want to upset me?
Why do you do this if you know it causes them pain?
I'm a black gay tranny so I have to be hyper aware of my identity whenever interacting with people, mostly due to years of discrimination and dehumanization. If I have to be hyper aware of my identity, then everyone else has to be hyper aware of their identity, too. The agony makes them more well rounded, they'll thank me later.
l dont think this is a healthy way to engage with your fellow man...
Why would you want to upset me?
Because I am a troll and do so indiscriminately.
You put your head above the parapet and I'll take a shot.
That seems unkind.
Trans women wanna lose theirs, but you need to grow a pair :)
Pfft, they started it. I can stop if they stop first... But you know they won't
I'd start calling them default, average, mid, statistically common, pleb, standard.
I'd even let them pick one.
l wouldn't mind any of those other then mid or pleb
yes but i'll call you much worse things behind your back
Why?
would you rather i say it to your face?
i hate it so much, why am i expect to larp as if i have some innate preference for the sex i was born as if i don't transition? with my friends i can always talk about how much i hate being my sex at least for the reasons that are socially acceptable to say, but with a lot of trans people it's suddenly transition or kys if i don't conform to the lie that i'm cis. i wouldn't be surprised if true cis people were as rare as gd.