Arab here, i got questions for trans

Gender dysphoria sounds unbelievable

Why are there no transgenders here? Like zero, there is no historical precedent of this phoenomenon if you sift through history it's like one tranny in a country every few centuries and most of them have a backstory like they were raped as a child, yet america and europe seem to host the entire world's population of trannies. If it was a natural human condition shouldn't it be evenly spread? I can tell you there is gays and lesbians here and have always existed, but there is no tranny or even an idea that such a thing could exist.

Transgenderism is just a western phoenomenon.

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There are no troons there because your country sucks ass, anon.

Transgender used to basically mean gay crossdresser even in the west, it wasn't until hrt became easily obtainable that trans identity really became a thing. Otherwise you can't even come close to looking like the opposite sex. But a lot of gays now are transitioning because what they really wanted was to not just fuck the same sex but instead live in the opposite gender role.

why are there no trans people in the place they kill you if your even a slight bit gay hmmmm i wonder anon anyway im a arab chaser want a trans gf ?

Oh that's easy, it's illegal.
There actually were a lot of them in the Prophet's time and there are some Hadith that mention them (why Iran allows them). However, they were genocided by one of the early Caliphs and after.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhannath

A number of ḥadīth reports indicate that mukhannathun were used as male servants for wealthy women in the early days of Islam, due to the belief that they were not sexually interested in the female body. These sources do not state that the mukhannathun were homosexual, only that they "lack desire".[1] According to the Iranian social scientist Mehrdad Alipour, "in the premodern period, Muslim societies were aware of five manifestations of gender ambiguity: This can be seen through figures such as the khasi (eunuch), the hijra, the mukhannath, the mamsuh, and the khuntha (hermaphrodite/intersex).

While sporadic persecution of mukhannathun dates back to the time of Muhammad, their large-scale governmental persecution began in the Umayyad caliphate. According to Everett K. Rowson, professor of Middle Eastern and Islamic Studies at New York University, this may have been prompted by "a perceived connection between cross-dressing and a lack of proper religious commitment"

ome Islamic literary sources associate the beginning of severe persecution with Marwān I ibn al-Ḥakam, fourth caliph of the Umayyad caliphate, and his brother Yaḥyā, who served as a governor under the caliph ʿAbd al-Malik ibn Marwān, while other sources put it in the time of ʿAbd al-Malik's son, al-Walīd I ibn ʿAbd al-Malik. The governor of Mecca serving under al-Walīd I is said to have “issued a proclamation against the mukhannathun”, in addition to other singers and drinkers of wine. Two mukhannathun musicians named Ibn Surayj and al-Gharīḍ are specifically referred to as being impacted by this proclamation, with al-Gharīḍ fleeing to Yemen and never returning back

That said I agree with that these people were more proto-trans than trans as they lacked modern medical tech.

the more metropolitan sandnigger countries have tons of trannies wtf are you talking about.

Idk, I've heard equally from Arabs that gays and lesbians don't exist in your countries, only the west, so it seems dubious whether that's actually true.
Also the other anons here explaining seem to be more knowledgeable of LGBT history in the middle east than me.

but i was raped as a child for many years and when puberty kicked in i wanted to get fucked by older men while feminized when i got horny and hate all masculine things about myself

Marhaba lmao

There are enough trans Muslims but the thing is they try to blend in with regular women and are more feminine I think.

t. Literally me my parents are Turkish and I'm dating a Bosnian rn so wish me luck

Why are there no transgenders here? Like zero

because you are incapable of googling information about your own race for some reason

For those wondering "mamsruh" appears to refer to negatively androgynous enbies, i.e. those that lack any secondary sets traits

Otherwise you can't even come close to looking like the opposite sex

of course you can and there are still a lot of trans girl moders who don't take hrt specially in the 3rd world

something not being shoved in front of your face does not mean it doesn’t exist retarded sandnigger
look at Iran

If its a natural human condition it should be evenly spread across all countries and cultures throughout history, suppression will not stop it like we suppress gays and lesbians but they still exist and have always existed, we suppressed left handed people for 1,400 years yet im left handed, transgenderism didn't exist until westerners made it exist and gender dysphoria has no historical precedent except for that elagabalus dude who was probably raped as a child, it was like a rare spawn once every century and yet the west now has an entire population of them

The fuck's a chaser? Anyway my penis is spoken for

Eunuchs are expensive bro, so they just hire feminized men
this is a way of making money for those men, people go to crazy lengths to get bread

this is a way of making money for those men, people go to crazy lengths to get bread

transgenderism didn't exist until westerners made it exist a

Okay so it existed but you just say it didn't exist or was something else.
Idk you're from a part of the world where there was an actual trans genocide, like the only documented one, so it's pretty interesting.

That said it seems there was another trans genocide around ~400-500 in Italy but it's not documented. Just there were trannies in Rome around 350 AD and they were all gone by 450. Though I guess so much was lost in that time it's hard to say it was just trannies

I'm from Eastern Europe. People here like to say things like

there are no gays in our glorious land

but the reality is the place is so homophobic that gay people stay under the radar to avoid getting killed. I'd imagine it's even worse in an Islam-infested country.

Idc about anything but Arab men (not the fat ones) are the hottest men on earth. My bf is north african and he's more masculine than any inferior whities.
Xoxo.

Have you had srs? A bit of of pocket ik but I didn't start dating until I was post op, my ex was algérien and I never told him I'm trans lol

I'm post op yep, he knows and was into me when I was a femboy already.
We started dating when I was post op years later our teenage crush

T. French youngshit

So is schizophrenia but nobody questions that one

Typical arab retardation, plugging your ears and affirming you’re right no matter what others say. Shouldn’t you be outside murdering stray dogs and stoning your friends for shaving?

They are busy chasing trannies on Grindr atm

haha I thought so
I'm so happy for you anon that's a dream, you're so lucky. I rly DK what to do if I end up in something long term because idk what my partner would feel about me being trans. Like you know how important family is and everything in our cultures ...

C'est malheureux que nous basedons si loin, suis à Montréal

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Same. I'm ftm, but because im pre t im pretty androgynous, since i have effeminate features that clash with me trying to pass as a man (short hair, i have pretty decent muscles, and how i dress) but i had to stop trying to look more manly because i got beaten up, or nearly beaten up for it (im 18 and i got attacked by 3 drunk 30+ men on a bus and i would've ended up in the ER if someone didn't threaten to call the police). I'd rather be uncomfortable than in a hospital
Can't wait to move out istg

Gonna move to Montréal dans genre 6 mois
Et pour la famille c'est sur c'est compliqué s'ils découvrent on ne sait comment

I knew a tranny from morocco
chances are they died at the hands of an islamist

Voulez vous donner a moi ta discord ou telegram etc. C'est ta choix mais ici il y a trop d retards

Donne le tiens si tu veux y a mon non sur le miens :/
I trust you.

doesn't Arabia literally have stories of them genociding all the trans people there in your holy book? knew you guys weren't that smart... but damn

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Voici c'est le pseudo: onion1469

Not at all, because they never existed.

Gays did exist and i sympathize with them because im left handed and my people were persecuted too

these trannies don't count as trannies because they were getting paid, unlike modern trannies who don't do tranny jobs

Also there's literally so many examples of women dressing up as men through history it's often a point of contention whether someone in the past was a lesbian or a proto-transgender or just did it for practical reasons, with no one able to really conclude anything since it's all conjecture.

"why aren't there transes in the arab world" is like asking why there's not a lot of Christians and Jews to me. Like there's people you can find on this board right now, living in the west, who are repressing their desire to transition because they live in a society and culture that prohibits it even in the USA/Europe/Canada, why WOULDN'T it be the case that people are doing that in the Arab world as well?

Je ne le comprends pas, je ne peux pas vta ajouter ou meme envoyer un message

Starbucks and sex work lol

I'll bail out OP by pointing out that Iran is more culturally similar to Pakistan and India than the middle east in many ways.
Pakistan, where in their largest city it's mandated that 2 of the legislatures MUST be trans

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Not true, left-handed people and gays never existed in glorious Arabia, you're just an isolated weirdo

Being Christian is an ideological choice tho, is it the same has having dysphoria and being a troon?

Transgender used to basically mean gay crossdresser even in the west

this just isn't true at all. we have historical documents of people completely transitioning and being sent to mental asylums and never stopping saying they're a woman/man even in the 1800s

anon, no offense but foreign countries such as yours aren't safe for individuals to be openly queer. America, as shit as it is, is a little more accepting than other places. Being openly queer in those types of counting will get you killed, so you have to stay closeted.

Also, it's not just a westerner thing. Do better research on queer history.

Kind of a stupid question anon ngl.

Rykener was by Soper Lane, off Cheapside, and looking—as Dinshaw phrases it—"woman enough"[53] to attract the attention of the Yorkshireman John Britby

Wow they spoke like black hussies

go back to ur repper threads

My girlfriend is a transgender arab they're definitely there. Some countries just make it more difficult to be trans openly.

totally no trannies in the middle east lmao, its true trust

iran is pretty much west they are all secular freaks it explains that they'd have a bunch of trans

our arab countries are religious so we have no trans

bro like i said there is gays and lesbians here despite throwing them off rooftops(Well, used to, nowadays we jsut beat them up), there is no trannies or even such discussions, its a western phoenomenon

so nobody is gonna bring up the saudi tranny that killed herself after family basically kidnapped her back to saudi arabia

victim of the west

most of those surgeries are cisgays being mutilated

Iran is pro-trans specifically because of religious reasons.
Khomeini issues a fatwa about it.

They're happier as girls inshallah.

More like a victim of regressive arab culture. But you lack the humanity to see the cruelty and flaws in your ways

so gender dysphoria is caused mostly by atypical sex dymorphism in brain structure
youtube.com/watch?v=Kr8RbY8uB_0

about what brain bits are matching in cis and trans people: regions like the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc) and the third interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH-3) and things like connectivity patterns, white matter microstructure, etc

what about muhkannath bro or the cross-sexed priestesses in pre-arabization mesopotamia

If you were my son i would have never let this happen to you

gender dysphoria is mostly biological and is not something you can just beat or pray out of someone, an hostile society would just make them repress but never be truly cisgender if they never were

I don't know man

all of your trannies go to Iran for state-sponsored medical transition