Why's everyone getting mad at this and calling it a "transphobic caricature"?

verifiably untrue with any front facing picture of her

this is why art used to be something taught and passed down through masters not something you learn online with no education. anyone thinks they can do it now and makes dogwater pictures

Worthless without using the reference image, a side by side with the illustration and a forehead comparison.

i'm phone posting do it yourself if you're too blind to notice these things. I actually had to study anatomy for my useless art degree personally

The onus of proof is on the one making the claims. And everyone knows art schools are worthless diploma mills.

also unless you're a really shit artist you can keep the baggy clothes while not making her obviously flat chested, the clothes are positioned where the top of her breasts would be slightly visible at the very least and the way it's shaded appears how clothes would only a flat chested person, baggy clothes don't make you flat

shoulders

her shoulder length is broad for a woman irl but if you look without the shoulder pads she has a whole extra head length of shoulder room

Face blindness is a sign of autism.

actually the OP is the one making claims i replied to and then you made another claim if you're counting that :3
scroll up to look at the differences if you want but here's her in similarly low clothes where you can see what I mean about the breasts and straight on to see the facial and shoulder differences if you're not retarded

if you draw a transphobic caricature but claim to be progressive and against "gender norms" you're not transphobic at all, but open and accepting

also digital art is so hard to fuck up this bad on on, especially in someone you can see their body shape easily because they're a model who wears tight clothes a lot, and then you layer the clothes over that and do shading properly

The tight clothes are constricting her breasts and pushing them upwards, and again, this fails to take the artist's reference image into account. Surely you don't think breasts look like that naturally? Adding onto that, you complain about the depiction of her shoulders having an "extra head's room", but this is also accurate to this photo.

What's caricature-like about the illustration? I see no bulging muscles or 5 o' clock shadow.

this fails to take the artist's reference image into account

you're not supposed to use 1 single image for reference especially at a completely different angle because then you're basically just making up proportions at that point

extra head's room

you are being stupid. everyone has extra head lengths of space on their shoulders, the image is wrong because it added a full extra head length

That’s such a bad drawing

Surely you don't think breasts look like that naturally?

again being either disingenuous or you're dangerously stupid and should not be left alone. the point was to show where the cleavage would start which would be visible in this image

oh what's wrong it's just a weird wider zelda
oh it's supposed to be hunter shafer
oh
oh.

You're not supposed to-

But he did and that should be taken into account. Is that what this entire discourse is based on? A wrong angle? Is that enough for something to be called a caricature these days? I truly do not understand Twitter trannies.

Zelda's clothes are do not function like a pushup bra. It's not comparable.

it's a very obviously masculinized image, i don't think i'd call it a charicature but it's obvious where the artist went wrong. even if you don't understand anatomy you can gut react that drawing reads hyper masc cross dresser and the original image reads feminine androgynous

missing the point

thinks she is somehow wearing a push up bra under this

If you aren't referring to the cleavage I fail to understand how these aren't immediately identifiable as breasts.

???? are you dumb that's how baggy shirts sit on a flat chest. clothing shading fail. also yes her cleavage would still be visible in a lose shirt especially because she has fake tits which stay perkier.

The second fold on the shirt from the left is very clearly identifiable as where the breast falls. The right is more ambiguous, but the shadows still at the very least hint towards it.

Idc if the art is shit or whatever, if you're harassing someone for art supposedly looking like a caricature, or even if it was proudly displayed as such then you're the same kind of brute as a religious honor killing retard in my mind.

this is like the keffals artist situation

Yeah nah senpai this is even LESS justified than that.

People calling it bad art due to seething

Ironically, the art is actually quite good, even more so if you consider it was done on a short notice, its a very serviceable good concept art even if it wasn't done with any good intention. I would go as far as to say all the controversy is being caused because the art is good with a bad message, if it were highly incompetent no one would give two shits.

She just looks like the chad image or just has really big Rizz or something?

It's not even a bad drawing, these people should see the SOPHIE fanart.....

literally the old meme

I like trans people, I think you should treat them with respect, but you can't be so open minded your head falls out as the saying goes. Trans people mostly hate what they are. They hate their birth sex, and they hate physical features that remind them of their birth sex. So they get stuck in this contradiction where they want trans representation, but they hate representation that reminds them of the difference between cis and trans people. Hunter looks clocky to me. Pretty but clocky. But to a lot of trans people, she represents an ideal, so it's basically insulting to her to depict her clocky features.

the quotes are complaining about her not looking like the rest of his portfolio when the rest of his portfolio is literally videogame girls kek

The drawing is a1-1 match for hunter.
Do people really think he looks like an B anime

I dont know that, seems like the art student knows more than you here.

The tight clothes are constricting her breasts and pushing them upwards

Women just call that cleavage but whatever we call them, clearly the point theyre illustrating is that the OP drew her flat as all hell.

i was about to side with the artist but i checked the twitter for myself and he seems to be doubling down when its clearly a honnish image

There's nothing wrong with looking trans. There is something insulting about "an ally" claiming to represent you in art then handing in something that confirms their biases against you. Hunter's breasts were reduced, the clothes have an *insane* tailoring that hides all curvature, her makeup is rendered flat & ghastly (could just be a technical issue here though desu), her face is elongated, chin sharpened; its hard to tell if he widened her shoulders merely omitted her hips.

You could do this to any of us and we'd be pissed at you. Don't call yourself a fan of Beyonce and they show everyone your fan art of her where she looks Aunt Jemimah. It's...disturbing. It is definitely made worse by someone ostensibly being friendly to you when you they do it. Just shows that theyre more so casually nice than willing to reconsider bias.

Or hes a bad artist IDK! Maybe he just needa practice. Either way, its fixable.

Sure fag, are these red granules on your body still there?

transphobic because this drawing of a woman looks masculine

it's funny to see trans women reinforcing the sexist stereotype that women must be 100% feminine
jk rowling did the same shit when she called that cis woman athlete a man

yknow people still call that poor athlete trans and trump named her personally during the whole trans athlete ban stuff?
i feel so bad for that lady :/

What? No thats not it. There isnt anything wrong with dark skin or big lips either, but if you drew Obama and he had those features you'd obviously be expressing some weird bias. No one's got beef with Asian features but you start putting Fu Manchu beards or >_< eyes on everybody east of Russia and it gets really suspicious. Masculinity in women is fine but its not present in Hunter the way the artist drew them and the lack of detail suggests unconfronted prejudice at best.

Masculinity in women is fine

according to everyone posting in response to the drawing it is not

No, it's transphobic because the drawing is pronouncedly more masculine than the actual flesh and blood trans woman it's based on in so many ways that it appears to be the product of conscious or subconscious malice.

it literally looks like the picture of hunter underneath it lmfao
I think you're simply being triggered by the bad shading

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this drawing of hunter as princess zelda doesnt look like a drawing of princess zelda

There's also the fact that art tends to idealise features, rather than depict them warts and all, yet allies always insist on 'realistic' art (which in reality exaggerates masc features) when it comes to trannies

an actor for zelda shouldn't have zeldas clothes

I'm talking entirely about the face

What?

wth this is literal racismino

the clothes have an entirely different design in the hunter image than on the reference image of the version of zelda they are using. the body proportions are also poorly drawn regardless of clothes.

Nobodys saying that. Everyone is saying it's either a poor technique, lack of self awareness or deliberate snub to warp Hunter's features to emphasize stereotypically invalidating masculinities. Big lips are sexy. Obama doesnt have them. If you drew him with big lips, Id suspect you of racism and/or poor artistry.

I'm increasingly fed up with those sorts. This likely what civil rights folks in the 70s meant about the fucking white liberals. Yknow, god bless them for coming this far but they're still can't really fathom the idea of trans people as equals. Or god forbid; *excelling* over them in some way!

The sooner we can all start pushing trans excellence over trans acceptance the better. To me its the same thing but these normies, lol, they dont get it. Ive told people point blank im trans and they dont get it because all they know is stereotypes.

Like "Hey dont be racist against those latino illegals, digging ditches is keeping his lazy ass busy so he can provide for his 43 children! Do you think Burritoes and Tacquitos are cheap?!" awesome thanks for showing up to the anti-ICE protest Karen.

it is idealized features if you view her as a man

Probably an accident desu, the pauldrons make her look like a shoulderhon but she would look normal otherwise

If you deport mexicans then who will clean your toilets mr Trump

Like "Hey dont be racist against those latino illegals, digging ditches is keeping his lazy ass busy so he can provide for his 43 children! Do you think Burritoes and Tacquitos are cheap?!" awesome thanks for showing up to the anti-ICE protest Karen.

kek

No not really, see the lips? Wide, but thin. Obama has a huge mouth but thin lips.

Try this one out.

And my self portrait turned lovely if you consider me a polar bear in a snowstorm

it's poor technique, the dude literally says it was a quick idea
doing the whole "this is transphobic" schtick for this is entirely in bad faith and all you're saying at the end of the day is that masculine features on a woman is wrong, reinforcing stereotypical misogynist views that women must look 100% feminine

And my self portrait turned lovely if you consider me a polar bear in a snowstorm

I'm on your side, I was making a joke

Hey man anything beyond analyzing the art as presented would require me to have social media and follow this guy, and im not doing that. Not a reasonable ask here.

All we're saying is that those are the options and why and then discussing the merits.

Aw im sorry girl I do this at least once month. I gotta go get my coffee and screw my head on. Rereading your post now its funny, my b for sure.

the drawing i did that gave obama huge red lips and super dark skin is fine because it was quick and im bad at art! proportions and color matching are too hard

it was bad technique which made me draw a jew with a giant schnoz and bright red hair!

dumb false equivalence

you are a fucking idiot if you believe this to be an intentional caricature

it might be a subconsciously made caricature, but it's a caricature nonetheless

I am on your side i agree she should have zelda's clothes
The face also looks different from both references

fully colored and "shaded"

"quick concept"

Nigga

makes her significantly more masculine

this is different than exaggerating racial features because ??????

if we're going to talk about subconscious shit then I still stand by what I've said about these trans women's sentiment that women must always be 100% feminine
and it's a false equivalence because
both of these would be conscious cariactures

you're seeing explicit transphobia where none exists

makes her significantly more masculine

SHE LITERALLY LOOKS LIKE THE PICTURE THAT'S DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH HER YOU FUCKING BLIND MORON

Its ok to be kinda faceblind. But also maybe use more than 1 pic for her.

It just looks like bad art rather than malicious caricature. The face looks like an okay amateur interpretation of hunter. But the dress is weirdly baggy which makes the chest look flat. That zelda costume is always depicted as tight enough to show the shape of her bust and waist and then the armor makes her shoulders appear wider. Probably why it usually showing the full body in art and stuff

both of these would be conscious cariactures

no it could totally be done accidentally

trans women's sentiment that women must always be 100% feminine

you're retarded, the issue isn't that a trans woman is masculine, it is the fact that he clearly made her more masculine in his image which is something which historically has been used to demean trans women and their identity as women, it is not trans women saying they have to be feminine to be valid, it is the fact that drawing them more masculine than they are has been used to say the opposite. trans women 90% of the time argue for the exact opposite of this thing you're attributing to them, and that is why it's comparable to other caricatures, no one says black people CANT have big lips or dark skin, but if you add it where their is none, it's obvious what's going on.

SHE LITERALLY LOOKS LIKE THE PICTURE THAT'S DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH HER YOU FUCKING BLIND MORON

she doesn't remotely you're either stupid or disingenuous, people throughout the thread have repeatedly pointed out where the proportions differ.

god you're all fuckin retarded
keep peddling your transphobic bullshit, I'm out