The bar for passing is surprisingly low

They assume ur deal (clocked your tea)

No. They default to female.
Because more woman than man.

Transition doesn't happen all at once, you don't take your first dose of HRT and wake up a disney princess the next morning. It takes 2-5 years. The part where you stop being a man (the clock your T) happens much earlier than the part where you start being a woman (pass).

I can tell they're trans

I do the same thing because as transwomen we have great tradars, and we know who they are on the inside, even if they haven't figured it out yet themselves.

Normies don't do that tho. Normies default to what they assess on an instinctive level. When that says female, you pass.
Stealth is fooling their higher brain, so that will all their powers of observation and deduction, they cannot tell that you're transgender.

The lower brain is dumb. Passing is easy.
The higher brain is smart. Stealthing is hard.

Try 20 years fagget nigga and talk to your boy shut your dumb ass up when og speaking
Go get your jaws sawed up or sum

I'm sorry, I can't understand what you're saying as I don't speak retard.
Nigger is spelled N-I-G-G-E-R btw.

My 60 year old evangelical mother and all of my neighbors called my elderly clocky neighbor her and treated her like a woman. The main reason is that we lived in a very blue socially liberal area in Maryland. Pity passing is part of being polite in a sufficiently trans accepting society.

Most people who say this seems to be boymoders and alcoholic/contemplating suicide. Cis people are often much less sensitive to gender than trans people.

And people who have careers or expertise that give them a lot more medical knowledge might be better than people who don't. There's also culture and education to consider.

Cool so your elderly clocky neighbor passes.
Good for her.
It's actually way easier to pass as you get older btw because the bar for femininity at 60 is way lower than at 16.

They see a woman, they treat her as a woman, because she passes.

U a racist ass nigga on top of being a honster kaish just quit life breddie

Correct spelling isn't racist.

She was nice, so I'm not going to drag her to win an argument online, but she absolutely did not pass and drove a car with a trans flag on it. We just treated her well. She was easily identifiable as a trans woman, so we treated her the way you should treat trans women. I don't know why you're pushing back so hard. Isn't this how we should treat people who are obviously AMAB but also obviously trans women? Isn't it good that people like that can move through at least a small corner of the world and be frictionlessly be treated like women? The world where we treat people according to what we instinctively think their sex is is worse for trans people.

the only difference between stealth and passing is if there are connections to your former life or otherwise people that have pre existing knowledge that you are trans around.

but she absolutely did not pass and drove a car with a trans flag on it

That's STEALTH.
You're saying she wasn't STEALTH

You're saying she was very obviously a transwoman.
A trans WOMAN.
Because people look at her and see a WOMAN.
Because she passes.
That's what pass means.

Most people will not see her as attractive.
Most people will not see her as cis or "normal".
But most people will see her as a woman.
Because she passes. That is what passing means.

Idk I have boobs, hair and makeup yet have never been gendered female in girlmode once. Not complaining or doing some wormy "genetics are everything" bit since I believe trying your best and putting in all your effort will help your dysphoria more than anything regardless of passing, but I think passing (or at least low-bar passing) isn’t nearly as objective as you think it is.

If I was you kaish I'd nicely tell homie to take off the flag and suggest ozempic

then i'll try to get a lot of his disgusting neckbeard habits in order to no avail, but maybe I can convince son. Im sure he's too much of a creep to even try, in which case i'll just flash the 12 guage. But he needa do better in life.

There must be something overtly masculine about you that is overpowering the boobies.
Without know what that is I can't say more.

Weirdly enough conservative types are more likely to treat me like a woman, even when they do know I'm trans. I guess they're more in tune with the idea of gender essence, on account of not being godless materialists.

My face is very objectively handsome but like the reality is I’m just visibly trans in girlmode and live in semi-rural conservative uk so at best people say what they see and at worst I get called tranny across the street every 2 or 3 times I go out presenting. But then I imagine if I were to go girlmode in America or Canada it’d obv be different and I may pass or get gendered female, im kinda tired lol but that’s what I’m trying to get at by it not really being objective?

I agree. I've had almost zero trouble with conservative types. The worst I get is a look of surprise or mild discomfort from my presence which I interpret as a fear of getting cancelled for saying the wrong thing.

But brightly coloured hair or dreadlocks and they think they've got a license to be transphobic because they've banked wokepoints by wearing a protect trans kids t-shirt at a protest that one time.

it not really being objective?

Well no, objectively you don't pass.
All you're really saying there is cultural context comes into play, which yeah, fair point.

bro shut up

Fuck off you black piece of shit, I'm not a fucking bro.

how am I supposed to treat women differently than men? Nobody’s ever given me a straight answer on this…

Yes you are you are my BROTHER

Zoomers are pretty fucked up huh?

Nigger nigger nigger

cultural context comes into play

Yeh sorry I didn’t word it great. I think it still affects things though, like i post here and get told im passing by a decent chunk but you have to wonder what their culture backgrounds are and i think more so what they believe a british woman to look like. Then there’s also the whole rabbit hole of raceblindness which like bleh yeah, I think passing isn’t THAT objective (and I’m not projecting, I know I don’t pass).

Just because Im a nigger doesnt mean im not your brother my white brother MAN

I still think passing is objective.
Because it's still defined as most people gender you female in ordinary situations.

Saying the cultural context matters isn't interfering with that, it's just saying as the cultural context changes the proportion of people who will gender you female also changes.

The bar in the midlands UK is a bit higher than then bar in melbourne Australia. But it's still an objectively thing.

You're a nigger which is why you don't speak english.
Fuck off means I don't want you to speak to me any more.

Go be a transphobic nigger somewhere else.

youre retarded

It's all true. You just can't handle it because you want to use your trans status as an excuse to be miserable.

Which is actually retarded, since the whole point to transition is to not be miserable any more.

Being a bitch doesnt mean ur a woman my guy

Being black doesn't mean you're a nigger.
But you're a nigger my nigger.

So u wanna make out now bro?

I’ve only ever seen one person who defines passing that way, and that’s Emily, the biggest ogre rapehon of the year.

Do you have something you want to tell us Anon?

I will yet again point out that I'd you have even a tiny shred of ability to read body language and social cues it will be plainly obvious to you whether you are actually passing or pity passing.

People suck at suppressing their second glance instinct. if you go to busy bathrooms in public and don't get second looks it unequivocally means you pass.

When cis people are pity passing you it will be obvious from how their speech hitches and stops for a moment before they use a pronoun for you as they consciously remind themselves to not misgender you.

Also, passing to cis people is MUCH easier than passing to other trans people. Just because you can clock yourselves and each other doesn't mean cis people can. As long as you don't provoke lizard brain uncanny valley response cis people will mostly take your gender at face value.

if you go to busy bathrooms in public and don't get second looks it unequivocally means you pass.

That's stealth.

Passing means you go into the women's bathroom and they don't scream and call the cops. They accept you as a woman and as an extension of that recognize that the women's room is your place as much as theirs.

Also, passing to cis people is MUCH easier than passing to other trans people.

1. passing to the normies is the only thing that matters. Passing means MOST people will gender you as a woman in MOST situations.

Stealth is impossible because yeah, other transpeople and also wizards who've spent the last 20 years of their life hanging out on Anon Babble and have learned all our tricks (and then of course there's tranny wizards like me who can clock a Q-angle from 500 yards through dense fog).

But at the same time other trannies are the easiest ones to pass with because we see us for who we really are, sometimes before we know ourselves (the infamous egg crackers).

Pity pass, is pass.
Pass achieves social affirmation which is a big part of gender affirming care and will alleviate a big chunk of dysphoria.
Stealth does not relieve dysphoria, all stealth does is avoid hate crimes in areas where trans acceptance is low.
BDD, which affects our own self-image, is a different problem entirely, and no amount of social affirmation can do anything about that. For that you need therapy.

Passing means you go into the women's bathroom and they don't scream and call the cops.

what the fuck are you talking about? passing means passing as a cis woman, not looking enough like a woman that people 'recognize that the women's room is your place'. i will not stand for this revisionism

passing means passing as a cis woman

THAT'S STEALTH

Passing means people see you as a woman even if you are recognizably trans. Karla Sofia Gascon for example, passes, nobody is calling her a he (bar some retarded chuds who are probably reppers), picrel is very much a she.

But SHE is very obviously trans. Most people, even normies, will be able to see that.

She passes, but she is not stealth.
But she also doesn't need to be. She can go into a women's public bathroom in most places in Mexico and be in no more danger than any other woman (as I understand it Mexico isn't exactly safe for anyone these days).

If she were to achieve stealth, she wouldn't feel any better about herself than she does right now. Because body dysnorphic disorder comes with the territory when you're trans. To deal with the face that your body doesn't look like an anime girl you need THERAPY. No amount of lookmaxxing will solve BDD, in fact the paradox of transition is the closer you get to ideal, the more your flaws depress you.

And this is just reality of being trans. That's why the three pillars of gender affirming care are:
1. A good doctor who knows what they're doing and can organize everything you need for medically assisted transition
2. A good therapist who knows what they're doing and can help you unpack your chaotic, complex, and rapidly shifting emotions.
3. A peer support group who can resocialize you as the gender you're most comfortable with, can guide you to the professional services you need, and support you when you hit a roadblock in your transition.

The fact that transphobes exist who will hurt you if you aren't stealth is a human rights problem, not a you problem.

You vastly overestimate cis people's ability to clock trans people. I transitioned in my late 30s, would probably be called a fat hon on this board, and don't get second glances anywhere I go. I've had cis people be obviously, genuinely shocked when I told them I was trans after interacting with me for *months*.

Passing at a level you consider stealth is a much more achievable goal for a much larger proportion of trans women than you are willing to acknowledge here.

THAT'S STEALTH

no retard, stealth means you don't tell anyone you're trans. passing, shorthand for 'passing as a cis woman', is simply one component of stealth.

as for your example of the actress, she will never be stealth not just because she doesn't pass, but because she is a celebrity and everyone knows she's trans.

To deal with the face that your body doesn't look like an anime girl you need THERAPY.

transition is the only treatment for dysphoria. this is tranny 101, if you could fix it with therapy you wouldn't need to transition. yes, after transition if you're still self-conscious therapy can help just as it might in the case of a cis person, but it is far from the end all be all solution to dysphoria.

You fundamentally misunderstand what passing means Emily.

Passing to someone means that they don’t think you’re trans. Stealth is passing to everyone all the time to the point where you can have close friends and most people you know, not even know you’re trans (basically impossible for most trans people and also means total identity death and most likely cutting off people who knew you before transition/before stealth).

Passing is a spectrum, some people will be able to tell someone’s trans, some people won’t, depending on how well they pass. You can pass to someone in a two second interaction but maybe not in a 10 minute conversation, it depends on how well you pass. It’s annoying that some people want to confidently say “I pass to most people” so so so bad that they come up with a new definition for what passing means.

picrel btw

Sure, but true stealth doesn't have the "most" qualifier like passing does.
True stealth, which is what this board would have you believe is the goal, means wizards and trannies can't clock you, which is impossible.

'passing as a cis woman'

You're adding the cis.
Normies do not actually make a distinction between woman, and ciswoman. They've got two genders, man and woman, and everyone gets put into one of those two boxes.

If you're getting put into the woman box by most people YOU PASS.
It's that fucking simple.

transition is the only treatment for dysphoria

WRONG
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

Gender affirming care is the only effective treatment for gender dysphoria, which includes but is not limited to
1. Medically assisted transition (HRT, surgeries)
2. Gender exploration therapy conducted alongside therapies for any comorbidities the patient has.
3. Social affirmation, including pronouns, change of dress, hairstyle, makeup etc.
4. Legal affirmation, changing documents and have certain rights protected

That's the actual scientific fucking facts.

I have to go.

Please just read the Wikipedia page for passing

Normies do not actually make a distinction between woman, and ciswoman.

this is wishful thinking, and again, your definition is simply not what passing has ever meant. have you never read passgen? did you ever wonder why people talk about certain features 'giving it away'?

Yo why this bitch ass op didnt get back at me about this kaish

have you never read passgen?

passgen is trannies, wizards and trolls.
Anon Babble is not IRL

Why? Did you write it?