Have any other MTFs who hang around feminist circles or even just feminist allies who are knowledgeable...

Have any other MTFs who hang around feminist circles or even just feminist allies who are knowledgeable, started to become completely disillusioned with the movement lately?
I'm not talking about terf shit that has always been there, more so the mainstream, it feels like intersectionality has starting to die off especially in activist and university/academic circles lately and moving towards bioessentialism and increasingly become hostile to us. Like before, it wasn't perfect, and some groups would treat you differently if they knew you were trans, but it still felt like things were going in the right direction, at least. But now it feels like a reversion to the old 2nd wave. It's honestly upset me to the point that I'm starting to reevaluate my own beliefs and becoming more hostile and bitter towards everything. I don't know really the point of this thread, I just feel kind of alone in how I'm feeling and I don't feel like I'm even allowed to share my thoughts with anyone else.

None of my feminist friends even gender me correctly, its not that they're explicitly hateful they just don't care enough.

tldr a male misandrist
also idrc

I was a WAGS minor in college in the mid 2010s and was in the feminist groups. After graduating the only feminists that I've heard of have been TERFs. I haven't heard a peep from 3rd wavers at all. And I'm intentionally not including the libcuck brunch feminists that only come out when trump is president and go to brunch when biden is committing atrocities or not enshrining womens rights when he has the chance

feminism is for women what people pretend redpill stuff is for men

I feel like I'm kinda judged or something for not hating men and fighting patriarchy and stuff. I just want to be normal, and apparently that's wrong.

Wow, a man is becoming "disillusioned" about feminism. Who could have predicted this?

Found the bloodshitters

And there it is. Once again, the male """woman""" despises the people he is desperately trying to skinwalk.

Feminism has always been an afab supremacy cult. They're just experiencing a PR shift right now.

Sorry nona, idk how old you are, but I feel like younger Gen Z feminists tend to be more hostile.

Yeah, there is an expectation to bash on men to fit in. I can't deny that, especially in online spaces.

Funny that I never see the usual gc orgs in the flesh at domestic violence rallies or helping organize outside of their pet issues of shitting on trans people and sex workers. It's really telling.

Tourist alert lmfao the dood never fails to rile yall up

Sorry nona

I'm 20 lol.

Yeah, you're correct. Ironically it's the women who change my mind about mainstream feminism movements.
Just be a decent human being and play dumb about those stupid questions. playing dumb is op it'll safe in so many situations

I have always considered myself a feminist because I have always considered myself a woman and believe the sexes should be equal. And I see in the world that women are subject to relentless inequality and brutal misogyny.

I could no more stop being a feminist than I could stop being a woman and threads about abandoning feminism to me read the same as detransitioning or "identifying as an estrogenized gay male" it's zoomer brainrot that i completely don't relate to.

I think mainstream feminism becoming increasingly hostile to transwomen is just an extension of how the trans rights movement got too confident and too aggressive and ended up alienating everyone. It's why LGB people are becoming increasingly transphobic, and normies went from barely thinking about trans people and thinking that 'the sex-change operation' made you a real woman to being viciously hostile and reactionary.

This isn't even me being anti-trans either. I want trans people to be able to take their (free and over-the-counter) HRT and to get their affordable surgeries and to be granted social acceptance and some reasonable privileges for their chosen gender. But because I don't support sportshons, I don't think lesbians are bad people for not being attracted to transwomen, and because I think failure to disclose is sexual assault, trans rights activists have angrily told me that I'm transphobic, that I want trans people dead, and that 'the bigots will come for me next'.

Feminists are probably just sick of being told that they're privileged cis bitches, that they need to shut up and listen, and that they need to pander to transwomen at all times. I know very well that not all transwomen are like this, but, just like the loudest voices in the Feminist movement are those of bitter bullies, the loudest trans voices are as well.

Trans people who just wanted to fit in had and still have my earnest sympathy, but unfortunately trans people who just wanted to stand out ended up ruining the movement and making everyone hate them.

It's not so much me abandoning feminism, but more feminism abandoning us and making us out as an enemy. Historically, feminism hasn't had the best history for minority groups like BIPOC or LGBT, to put it lightly, but at least it didn't completely regress. It almost feels unorganic like a psyop from the anti-gender movement, but I feel like schizoid saying that.

bro, all those "movements" exists for votes and vocal ones are just useful idiots. i'm so pissed off people don't understand that's all just politics

Trannies always seethe about cis women not accepting them as women, but they never provide any reason why cis women should. "I'm a woman because I say I'm a woman" is very unconvincing.

why do you think its rape to not disclose

actually it's easy to be accepted by women if you just have actually transitioned and fit in well enough
the problem is you're always just one of the good ones

Tbh you should take it as a lesson and not believe that people are sincere next time. Only power and status matters, otherwise you’re on your own. Don’t go looking to other people to help you with anything unless you’re pulling them up too or you’re high status in their eyes

It wasn't up to lesbians or black women to provide a reason to be accepted into the feminist movement, so why should it be different for us? hell, black women created womanism separate from white women because of the constant failures of white feminism.

be male pretending to be female

try to sneak into feminist circles, because cuck

how grim

feminism is basically a project to get upper class white cis women more power, like Hillary clinton was their avatar and she got knocked the fuck out by trump.

these white women just want to be the man, they want to be the one bombing brown people in the middle east. thats the end goal of western feminism

nothing recent desu

Actually, it would be interesting to get some perspective from cis women if they're noticing the shift as well.

ingl, its because your whole movement is based on pie in the sky ideologies that are not tenable now and I dont even think they are tenable in the near future. People like a cohesive and well thought out ideology and when its the opposite on almost all of your principles, you will lose a majority of them. Especially if you attempt to implement them all that the same time without any previous standing. Basically instead of doing it piecemeal you wish to uproot all of society. Optically thats what it looks like to me.
But besides that there isnt really one item that is a central piece to your downfall. Your undoing also comes from not providing bread and circus to the masses. If you are always browbeating everyone (even doing it to your own ingroups) others will learn to despise you. If you cannot provide for them economically, emotionally, spiritually, morally you will suffer.
And then to compound on that you have fractured the democratic party the party that housed you, the party that fed you, the party that clothed you. I get it they are not the best people or even the good guys but perhaps before running away from home, you should of devised a plan to find replace them. You need to learn to compromise and be grateful for the little progress you have made. Take a step back or go into other areas and reevaluate. Then return with a better strategy or when the "playing ground" is more in your favor (e.g. the pendulum)

Do with that information what you will. Im not into politics or social sciences. Im very ignorant on such topics. I did a cursory look up of bioessentialism, i sort of know about intersectionality from having heard it before, I didnt know there was an old 2nd wave or a 1st wave for that matter. But now I realize you mean feminism and its reiterations.

I was super feminist before and for first few years of transition but like 7 years later now I hate women a lot. They hate us, they exercise a lot of social power over autistic or otherwise undesirable men, they don't have hearts or souls. I have more solidarity with the male sex nowadays.

Because most people would never give informed consent to sex with a trans person, and feel tricked, traumatized and like they were raped if it turns out that they did.

I hate to say this but I think we have to prove to the average person we can be stable rational individuals who are capable of something other than sex work, this drive to prove myself has powered my life. I'm not waiting on or expecting feministsbor any other woke cis people to come save me. I don't blame them for being skeptical. Carrying on with my life with pride has required a lot of fortitude to hold myself to the standards I set without descending into self hatred.

I try to focus on being the best role model I can be whenever I meet or interact with a cis person, hoping that one day they or their children may be face with a choice to treat a trans person as human and might remember me

I have become completely disillusioned with liberal progressivism. The Communist spaces I'm in are better but there's still bad takes of ignoring issues saying only class matters which I guess is somewhat better than the abysmal dogshit I get from "leftists". As for any one who identifies as right wing, brain completely fried and there's nothing there. Societally Reactionary thought and Anti-Intellectualism is on the rise which I think is a major factor.

If you think communist spaces are good you are brain dead. There are no good communist spaces, I’ve looked. I don’t believe there are even any good communists.

One of my best friends is a terf, she's a failed feminist as well. Surprisingly, she genders me correctly, and comes to me for advice, we just tend to avoid talking about the trans thing altogether.
I'm a thirdie, so I've been disillusioned by and disappointed in feminism since forever, especially if we're talking about western feminism.

I am noticing.

Things are definitely becoming more closed off and guarded in regards to trans stuff and it's aimed overwhelmingly at transwomen, which IMO is unfair given that a lot of stuff which really upset women was caused entirely by FTMs. Using language like "Birthing bodies" or "Menstruators" or "Pregnant people" or even "Fronthole" was something insecure Pooners demanded, but somehow transwomen got blamed.

The identity-politics movement of the 2020s unfortunately gave a lot of opportunistic bullies a way to assert immediate dominance over virtue-signallers, and transwomen were no exception here. You might've started to notice sympathy for BLM and so on fading away too - it's for the same reasons, the 'allies' got sick of being trashed for being privileged, and so they quietly faded out and left the bullies wondering where their allies went.

Some stuff was always reasonable. A cis woman should not be forced to share housing with biologically male people if she's been promised women's-only housing, but the trans rights movement took such issue with things like this that they pushed neutral or mostly-trans-supporting people away.

Good post.

Womp fucking womp. If they can't tell it's their problem and it doesn't matter in the first place. If you couldn't tell and were turned on the whole time the only reason to be upset after is transphobia.
"Yes, please lay out your entire history for me because you being something else physically before this encounter is unacceptable."
Statements thought up by the utterly deranged. If a woman mentions a time when used to be a kid and a man screams and goes "IM NOT A PEDOPHILE" and kills her, then he's crazy and stupid but if a woman talks about how she used to be a man all of a sudden its reasonable.

The ONLY reason you'd agree that it's rape is because you believe trannies some ontological innate difference from women and have an emotional response to that and you're acting like having that emotional response is valid and justified. It isn't, cause it's built on bullshit.

If I wasn't a nonbinary transfem dyke I'd get srs and go stealth and fuck as many bigoted men as possible and only tell them once I'm long gone.

Real, I'm in more niche leftcom spaces so that's where I'm at. Marxist-Leninists are a blight upon the space and they control most of everything.

The ONLY reason you'd agree that it's rape is because you believe trannies some ontological innate difference from women

Yes, I do.

If I wasn't a nonbinary transfem dyke I'd get srs and go stealth and fuck as many bigoted men as possible and only tell them once I'm long gone

Speaking for me personally I'd be absolutely horrified to inflict rape trauma on someone. I feel sick to my stomach at the thought of tricking someone into sex, and dirty at the thought of enjoying doing that to... pad my own ego? 'Punish' people with rape?

IDK what your motives are but that's really gross and not very ladylike of you at all. It's no wonder women are getting sick of trans stuff if this is what people volunteer about themselves.

You’re going to get us all killed

Speaking for me personally I'd be absolutely horrified to inflict rape trauma on someone.

Cry me a river faggot

You're never going to live out this weird fantasy of punishing men with unwanted traumatic sex, stop being silly.

I mellowed out from my communist stage in my early 20s, not to say I'm a liberal in my political beliefs, but that I just don't engage in those spaces anymore unless I'm actively reading something on the topic.

I feel like the 2020s really accelerated the decline of all identity and political movements in general (maybe due to lockdowns and people spending more time online, IDK), but yeah, I noticed all sympathy towards BLM had completely dried up.. It's funny, I was just reading this on the jail stuff.

Please don't do this, be honest with people the same as you would want towards yourself.

You're right, I won't, because I don't want sex with them. Good job buddy.

To add on to this. Why is it valid to be upset over someone not declaring they're trans?
Say a woman is of a certain ethnicity and sleeps with a woman who's racist towards them without realizing. He finds out, feels tricked and deceived, feels raped, presses charges. Obviously bullshit right? Well his feelings are the same as someone upset at finding out a woman is trans. So why isn't it ok? Cause in this instance we recognize the bigotry that spawns these feelings and don't respect these feelings because of the beliefs they come from. So the only difference in society with trannies is that people still accept the underlying beliefs that would make a man react that way with a tranny. These feelings should be ignored because the beliefs that spawn them are bullshit and transphobic. But most people are still transphobic even if they have surface level acceptance so they think this is just trannies being crazy unreasonable rapists.

My faggot brain said woman sleeping with a woman instead of a man lol. My bad. I meant woman sleeping with a guy.

And I see in the world that women are subject to relentless inequality and brutal misogyny.

lol

Try being a woman in college for stem. It's cartoonishly insane.

Good post wrt the male guards at female prisons, I kinda agree that it's screwy, the all-female staff sounds like a better idea. On the other hand I unfortunately don't think it's likely/possible that they'd get rid of male staff in female prisons because the implication would be that men are inherently a threat to women (Which I SORTA agree with but not to a stupid degree I think) and they'd never stand for that.

I will say it feels pretty normal for people to be less trusting of prisoners in general since they've proven themselves harmful to other people and to society, though. I'd assume that someone who tried to stop a transwoman from joining like, a woman's book club was just transphobic, but I will admit I wouldn't blame a female prisoner for being scared of being housed with a physically-threatening transwoman prisoner - maybe I'm dehumanizing criminals, but given the backlash to it, forcing vulnerable women to share a space they're forced to be in with transwomen feels like a bad hill to die on.

Literally me. Oh well, more cute spergy virgins for me.

There was actually a case sort of like this, this Indian guy pretended to be a white chad online and agreed to have sex with women but only if they were blindfolded (They sound like absolute idiots) the whole time and didn't see him. One of the women took off her blindfold and freaked out because she never consented to sex with that person. According to you, the women are evil and deserved what happened to them because they're bigots, or whatever.

People are allowed to be as picky as they like in regards to sexual partners. People have sexualities and they absolutely have the right to feel violated if someone of a sex they're not attracted to has sex with them based on deception.

Informed consent is a thing and it's important. For instance - in the case of a prostitute who sleeps with someone who then doesn't pay afterwards, the charge is rape - not theft (which may be an additional charge) - because the prostitute agreed to sex for money. A straight man did not agree to sex with a transwoman, he agreed to sex with a woman and will be traumatized to learn he was tricked, it's really not very difficult.

I'm sorry if any of this makes you feel invalid or whatever but I'd really suggest trying to let go of this fantasy of traumatizing people with sex they never gave informed consent to, it's creepy and weird.

Based Indian desu. Their fault, womp womp.

Asides from the more jokey dismissive response. I was talking about scenarios where the person wasn't able to tell because the person they slept had no visual indicators so the only problem they had with them was in their head.

Generally, yeah, I would say being less trusting of people in the prison system is fair, like you don't know if they're violent offenders. Over here, you can be imprisoned for not unlocking your smartphone, drug use, not allowing police to randomly strip search you, or protesting. So its a bit scary you just be chucked into a male prison filled with violent offenders for going to say stop koala habitat destruction rally or something. I know this is mostly prison/justice system reform stuff, so I'm getting a bit off-topic.

Yes, I do.

Who needs enemies with allies like these?

Me kinda, but I think I've always been aware that the term feminist is so broad that it doesn't by itself say anything about a person's politics. Like there has always been an undercurrent of sex essentialist and transphobic thinking in some feminist circles, so I can't say I'm disillusioned. I do still feel like that in the grand scheme of things we have it better right now than ever before, and I'm not going to abandon my beliefs just because some normies realized it's more convenient for them to not care about trans rights.

Yep, and "I slept with a person of a sex I am not attracted to" is actually and clearly a really big deal for most people.

People don't like unwanted sex and they don't like deception, of course they're not going to like both.

I don't really consider myself an ally since I don't really like how trans rights activists tend to treat them.

I slept with a person of a sex I am not attracted to

and yet clearly they are attracted to them

"I slept with a person of a sex I am not attracted to"

And there it is, exactly my point. You hold these beliefs and think these feelings are justified cause of that. I don't. You're even using that word "deception" as if a trans woman just being herself and going out and having sex with a guy and not mentioning she's trans is deceitful. So yeah, fuck you, and fuck every man who cares about this.

woman in college

experiencing any negativity

lol x2, cry into your endless grant money you get just for having a pussy

Christ, that stuff is nuts and scary. While things definitely aren't perfect in the West I am grateful that things aren't like that here.

I definitely agree that there should be a massive distinction between violent criminals and non-violent ones, and actually think that this distinction is more important than a sex/gender based one, if you had to pick one or the other.

Also transwomen shouldn't be housed in male prisons either, they'd just end up raped and abused. They should get treated as vulnerable prisoners and kept safe*.

*Unless they're those cases where violent rapists and murderers declare themselves trans after being locked up, they're obviously just trying to get better treatment or at worst case access to other potential victims.

No worries about going off-topic lmao, it's cool to talk about.

cry into your endless grant money you get just for having a pussy

Holy shit you're completely detached from reality, not much to say then.

As someone who is trans and voted for Trump thrice and now openly speaks against him yet doesn't regret voting for him at all and who has run the gamet of political ideologies from generic liberalism, to libertarianism to socialist to Anon Babblefag to settling on a edgy sort of neoliberal yet anti neoliberal psuedo left libertarianism ethos I think it's best not to get stuck on fixed ideas or labels. If something works use it if it doesn't discard it. Man (and Xir) was meant to be free. All factions have things and greivenced they are right about and it's not a binary.

I don't really like Leftists or Nazis these days. Being a liberal really isn't the slur these people want it to be. Most people are either generically liberal in a metaphysical sense or vaguely traditional (but not in the Anon Babble "trad) sense

You can call it flip flopping or fence sititng but my beliefs have naturally evolved over time and I can safely say most of you are wrong and ideologically possessed.

Most people don't really choose their beliefs anyways because they don't engage in metacognition. It also helps that being the Forest Gump of political trends/movements and interacting with all sides has given me a less tribalistic and more empathetic perspective on where everyone is coming from.

I've seen and participated in the rise of IdPol from it's nacent stages pre Tumblr/Reddit and likewise it's "reactionary" (you are a complete faggot if you use that word btw) counter progeny on Anon Babble, the gaming subculture and certain fringe forums I can safely say that woke fags and chuds should both go eat a dick in a bad way

I aint a moderate either. I'm just a normal person or at least as normal as a troon in the etymologically correct sense of the word (IYKYK) can be. Really i just circled back around to my antinomian libertine beliefs of my teen years but more fleshed out. Kid me was right the whole time.

Next election I'm unironically voting for Lando Calrissian

I doubt you've fully engaged with anything seriously and deeply. You seem like a inconsistent retard who's ideology shopping based off whatever memes or social media content you're consuming.

Makeup is rape since most men wouldnt agree to sex with an ugly woman

If the attraction is replaced by revulsion and horror in an instant then you cannot claim they gave informed consent.

Yes, trans people are well aware that the majority of people would not sleep with them - or even date them - with informed consent. The vast majority of trans people accept this, because only a horrible person would want sex from someone without informed consent. Transwomen who fantasize about passing so well that they trick straight men is a harmful, predatory and deceptive mindset. Other people do not owe you sex. It's that simple.

You can believe you're a woman and are 100% interchangeable with a woman as much as you like, but your belief does not come before other peoples beliefs about you being a biological male, and that sex with you would be entrapment.

So yeah, fuck you, and fuck every man who cares about this.

You talk like a 2010s tumblr-post and debate as well as one too. Try to grow up please, not everyone shares your beliefs and your obsession with using rape as punishment is weird.

inflicting hecken rape trauma for something the guy might never know of :*(((

you deserve to be violently held down and raped for life for that, its male on male crime why should i care?

Kys nigger

Is makeup rape? I believe its deception, as ugly foids in my belief are not human and i gave no consent to have sex with a non-human

If we're really so different than how can situations where the man doesn't know even happen.

You're being silly. The only person calling for rape here is the self-declared 'Nonbinary transfem dyke' who fantasizes about raping 'bigoted men' to punish them.

why did it take you so long to see this? you wre never welcome, you were always a useful idiot, too caught up in words to see the loathing that moves it all. they dont want you to be one of them, they want slaves. men are slaves, born dickless little eunuchs who live only by the women they cling to. the few exceptions to this are loathed, because theyre an enemy to the species. its as the catholics say, theres only one sexuality for humans, listen to jesus. or, if youd care to enjoy it, maybe go looking around for a different angel.

i keep trying to tell trannies that we need to operate as a block unto ourselves but bitches dont wanna listen. they keep thinking they can cozy up to afabs and itll all go just fine. no, retard.

use that serum estradiol to wash the het brainrot from between your ears and see them for the ugly little things that they are, and know that men love them for it. the only way forward is to up our game, and quietly start taking things from them. we should start with their sons.

hello brianna

so youre just a retarded incel, gotcha.

based nullbrained egoist. words are nothing except what others suffer.

If the attraction is replaced by revulsion and horror in an instant then you cannot claim they gave informed consent.

that seems like a problem with their brain
trans women existing is not a deception

Women in stem get a free ride for life. That is our current reality.

do you really think piles of words put you in control?

id love to have their sons but jews and feminists conspired to make that illegal and hated too

Wearing makeup - something that most women do, and something that tends to be pretty obvious - is a little different from injecting hormones and getting your penis operated on to turn it into a pseudo-vagina. Like - do you really think that a woman's eyelids are naturally several shades darker than her skin, or that her plastic lashes are real?

There's a reason that the trans community lost the respect and sympathy of the average person. Entitlement and aggression like this is the answer.

Why are so many trans activists fixated on justifying how much they want sex from people who never gave them informed consent? Why is this such an issue for you?

nah, I've always held onto my core ethos. We're talking a multi decade evolution of though and self reflection. You lack any of this which is why you can only chimp out in response to the current zeitgeist which is partially your fault. The only truth to your statement is that the revolution always gets betrayed so those who aren't zealots will always find themselves politically homeless if they aren't self aware enough to recognize the ephemeral, relative and transient nature of political trends. Todays nazis and commies are nothing like their predecessors for example and most are just neoliberals with differing bigotries towards whatever group they're allowed ir encouraged to hate. I've been around for Revleft and Moldbug. I guarantee I've put more thought into my beliefs than you

This is why ultimately metaphysics dictate politics not ideology imo. My metaphysics make me hate communists and nazis and I've always been consistant in this regard

Do YOU think that? You're the one who left a massive monolgue, not me buddy.

ssshhh, dont whine. you dont need to, you can just do. you dont need words for things, you dont need to be seen. you can be there in the dark, you can sell poison to the thirsty.

all that leaves sings in rings. theres no real point here.

what?

most are just neoliberals with differing bigotries towards whatever group they're allowed ir encouraged to hate

TRVTHNVKE, I agree honestly, though with the asterisk that many of the self proclaimed commies are social democrats. Maybe I was too harsh, just got that impression, particularly due to the stirner meme. You say "my metaphyiscs" what does that entail exactly?

i keep trying to tell trannies that we need to operate as a block unto ourselves but bitches dont wanna listen.

We don't have the numbers to be able to do that and are entirely dependent on cis people as well.

nta but I get what they're saying
the solution to illegality is not to stop or break a law, but to find a way it couldn't possibly be enforced
I think the internet and anonymity are modern tools for that because you can say whatever to whoever without any boundaries bogging you down, but even irl you can compliment someone, like a young girly boy, on how they make you happy just by existing the way they are, and that alone is enough to plant the seed
so basically, be the sower, not the reaper, plant trees you will not sit in the shade of

hole screeching

I'm sorry that I don't want to fuck an acne ridden whore that deceives me with a centimeter of makeup

deez TROONS are sex deceivers, deceiving -

like foids do all the time with hiding ugly features with make up?

NOOO, UR SEXIST! AND DUMB. DUMB MOID. YOU DESERVE TO BE RAPED BY DECEPTION BY UGLY FOIDS

Not a hole, I'm the nonbinary bitch who wants every man raped and killed.

hatred of authoritarianism, hypocrisy, group think, collective responsibility and ends justify the means reasoning, the centralization of power and the suppression of negative freedom for the greater good.

It's why I don't regret voting for Trump yet did not hesitate to break with MAGA either while they spiral and double down. I have voted for unironic neonazi canidates locally because I wanted them to get enough votes to qualify for a public debate and spout racial slurs which I thought was funny and am more than willing to vote for commumist or anarchist ones depending on the context if I think it will maximize my liberty.

But at the end of the day I support my form of liberalism even if I hate my neoliberal peers and see the far right and far left as a cancer that should only be tolerated insofar as it must to avoid deletirious effects on our constitutional republic

da trans community

yes, blame da troonz, always, deceiving bitch. You'll probably tell that it isn't rape for a biologically beef-flapped foid to cut herself up and deceive me with the appearance of her pussy?

I'm an infiltrator to your movement looking to fulfill my bigotted genocidal agenda

Interesting. Are you familiar with the idea of workers councils and council communism by chance? You should give Anton Pannekoek and Paul Mattick a read. One idea that might interest you is workers council being represented by delegates who can be recalled at any time and only serve as a means of communication for the workers and don't exist as a separate class with their own goals. Opposed to the supposedly democratic parliamentary politics where every person gets to play a little voting game for the politician they hate the least every few years.

You're being very silly.

You too but at least you argued your points. Also nice trips.

I'm sorry but you're not allowed to rape bigots, it's that simple

Yes, and?

you are a deceiving rapist and should kill yourself. I cannot wait until disgusting predators like you go to prison for your crimes

This is what I think in my head every time I see a man

i think you need to get out more, anon. have you tried talking to fat no lifers on grindr?

This is what I think in my head every time I see a theyfab

did you skip 2018-2020 politics? its not about masses, its about organised minorities.

most people probably wouldnt fuck each other if they knew everything bad about someone, if its consensual and no one is hurt by it whats the big deal lol? its like youre so eager to call amabs rapists that you invent a new kind of rape so that trans women can be predators too
plus like, regretting sex because of your ideology doesnt make it rape, there are closeted homos who have sex with a guy and feel guilty/regret it but that doesnt make the bottom they fucked a rapist

this is exactly it. the key is to escape language. if we arent seen as such we arent known and loathed. its a matter of listening, really.

I only want trannies to have rights because it harms women

a ring around the roses

based

same, seeing the entire upper management of multiple educational facilities turn entirely into troons without a woman in sight these last 5 years has been eye opening, so fucking funny

they earned it

beautiful
are the non-passing too?

literal middle aged men in dresses its so good

prominent principal turned mayor for a few years trooned out a few years ago and has gotten like 3 or 4 "first woman" awards for various things lmao

spoke at a feminist conference this year too

foids are getting outbred

this is why you don't apply OCD tier logic to sex crimes based around technical categorization or a vague open ended feels based approach that either condemns innocuous acts as rape or condones punitive rape

This "gotcha" type shit wrt extrapolating arguements wrt what constitues rape legally/ethically to their most extreme in either direction is psuedo intellectual reddit shit. People know what rape is even if they don't consider it such or have excuses for why they condone it (both men and women left wing and right wingers do this btw)

don't fucking stealth people.

If the attraction is replaced by revulsion and horror in an instant then you cannot claim they gave informed consent.

If the Coke goes flat and gets warm is it rape by Coca-Cola even after it has been consigned to the wastebin?

that seems retarded and short sighted on your part if your a troon but you sound like a retarded gooner chaser so ymmv

I swear sometimes it feels like i'm the only troon who isn't

some variety of cluster b disorderd

either incredibly misandrist or some kind of woman hating sex pest

obsessed with weird fringe ideologies from both sides

only has Anon Babble and discord as their sole frame of reference for trans shit while ignoring their daily lives

seething hussie who thinks stealthing "transphobes" is okay

What the fuck is wrong with you people

An anonymous board brings out the worst kind of people.

i fucking love this
are any of them on E?

im all of these things bent backwards and its amazing. i trooned to integrate my BPD bitch episodes and now we sing and dance together all day long. its their fault anyway for not letting me dance to girlypop groups back when i was a child.

i swear sometimes it feels like i'm the only troon who isn't ...

thoughbeit ur doing half of these things rn </3

why would I do that

got too confident and too aggressive

five years ago i said this on this very board and i was met with a deluge of vitriol
well i was FUCKING RIGHT
not that a bunch of anons on /tttt/ could've done anything about it but still
i dunno realistically what could've prevented the affairs of current year but i know that digging in and being hostile towards the normatives every time they failed to understand or failed to be compliant did nobody any favors

gamet

gamut
shiggy

t. waited 900 seconds

friends

They're not your friends, I'm sorry

Nothing worse than an MtF feminist.

I bet you're a transbian too. Or a "bisexual" lol.

black people always seethe about white people not accepting them as human, but they never provide any reason why white people should. "I'm a human because I say I'm a human" is very unconvincing.

Using people opportunistically in the name of a political strategy is just awful. You will ask, why does it work for the right. It works if using people as tools is the goal in and of itself, everything else be damned. That's all. I told leftists here to learn how to genuinely respect people BEFORE forming their discord communist servers, but I don't think they understand. Ideology comes first.

A lot of terfism has bled into progressive movements since the 2010s because people didn't pay attention or care enough to tell terfs to fuck off and they let them sow the seeds of their ideology, and now you see gender/sex essentialism be touted as woke or weird worship of the "divine feminine" and other weird shit that always ends up hurting trans people. In my experience most of the shitty feminism is the "white feminism" kind where there is no regard for intersectionality and it always ends up being man=bad, woman=good. POC feminists are generally better though not always of course.