One thing I don't understand

One thing I don't understand.
If trans women really are women, then why don't they feel like the rest of us? I mean, most womanly thing you can desire is to be a man.
And most manly thing you can do is desire to be a woman. Most of women, unironically have some form of AAP. So if trans women are really women shouldn't they be happy that they're born in male body and never transition?

Every woman is not a latent ftm, pls stop being autistic.

the reality is I desire to be womanly, feminine. feel free to call that whatever you want you faggot psyopper

t. Doesn't understand women at all

the reality is I desire to be womanly, feminine

Holy malebrained.

I often feel like I should've been a man
And by that I mean having a proper male brain
Not necessarily saying I have a female brain, but I kinda do
I only befriend guys and feel like I would get along with them better if I was a proper guy
Also I wish I had a gf because girls are cute asf, but I would only want that if it meant I was also a proper male
I'm also AAP when I masturbate

You are not womanbrained even if cis you are autistic. Period.

This is only valid if you form take estrogen
Wanting to be a man is most femalebrained thing ever

The most womanly desire is to get fucked by a Black man and bear his Black babies. This is a desire many trans women have.

Male fetish

Wanting to be a man is most femalebrained thing ever

No it isn't, unless you're one of the many ftms or ftm reppers on the board. Wanting to rise to the positions men do? Sure. Be them? No.

fantastic, you've gotten your point across. I don't care about your approval, and I don't care about perceived authenticity to one or more labels. I have identified a very simple desire and I pursue that. You're clinging on to pivoting to phrases like "malebrained" or "how can trans women be women" because it gives you power over people who are stuck tacking simple desires to conceptual identity. "Are mobile gamers really gamers?" if I wanna play phone games who cares what some loser like you thinks about it

if I wanna play phone games who cares what some loser like you thinks about it

I respect your identity as a woman, but not a gamer. Gamer card revoked.

I do take estrogen and I am short and desire a bf

It literally is.
Will you ever stop being so fucking malebrained lol?

It literally is.

Wrong.

You're malebrained male socialised man so you don't understand

That's not true. Wh*te women are choosing Black kings at an astonishing rate, for good reason!

Will you ever stop being so fucking malebrained lol?

literally how is malebrained lol

I will never stop being myself and I will never waste time categorizing my desires in order to determine whether I should feel wrong for pursuing them

I'm afraid the complete opposite of what you just said is the reality.

Bbc is a sissy (male) fetish

Take estrogen

Not malebrained

Bruh
Ok fella
No lol

Does this mean ftms are women?

No lol

Yes.

Yes
Wanting to be a man will always be most female this ever
No woman wants to be a woman
Wanting to be a woman will always be most male thing ever
No man wants to be a man

Your mental gymnastics can't change this fact

It's your ftm repper brain that can't change the facts.

If I was a man I would want to be a woman. Vice versa for you.

No such thing as ftm repper, that's just all women.

I'm not actually a woman though

I appreciate your honesty

why do people desire what's on the other side

why is the grass greener

This is a dumb question. Any woman reborn a man would most likely have thoughts and desires of being a woman.

Only a woman could believe something as retardedly fembrained as soul reincarnation

Any woman reborn a man would most likely have thoughts and desires of being a woman.

Then that's not a woman. That's a man.
Wanting to be a man is far more fembrained than believing in reincarnation

Then that's not a woman. That's a man.

Way to miss the point. You're a retard and this thread sucks.

can't accept reality

this thread hecking sucks :(

No really, you're retarded and your thread is bad. Terrible bait.

women want to be men to avoid being treated like sex objects, trannies also usually prefer this after a while of living as a girl, but like cis women who don't troon out usually, they have an intrinsic need to be a woman. simple as

How is this a bait. I lived as woman for 20 years of my life I know what I'm talking about.
That's not the only reason women want to be men, though

I would choose assraping you as punishment for all the spam over any nigger anytime.

I lived as a repping ftm for 20 years of my life

She is like a little boy screeching at every girl for having cooties. That's why they generalize. They can't handle how reality invalidates whatever negative experience they had (probably not being seen as feminine which is probably just a means of feeling special and wanted, not actual dysphoria. Attention seeking.) and they need to generalize to convince themselves their feelings matter more than they do. This isn't a place for nuanced discussion. Mentally ill posts get more engagement because most people here are very mentally ill. Just these oxygen thieves to vent.

Women aren't retarded. Stop typing like a retard especially when you know you're wrong, you're not fooling anyone. It isn't cute and as a man I can tell you are trying hard to come off as feminine. That makes me think you're ugly and jealous of women.

So as woman yes.
??
I'm literally afab lmfao, wanting to be male is female brained and will always be. You're a man so obviously you can't understand what I'm talking about.

Aha. He finally admits to it.

Already tried this
Was literally first logic at repressing

be amab

haha why would anyone need to be gay when i already have a male body of my own

you can just mold your male body into the shape you're attracted to

The problem comes when you want to have a relationship with someone else

shit everyone expects the male presenting male bodied male to be a man

you're actually a female brained bottom

you can wear the mask but you can't play the part

Then stop typing like a retard you make women look bad.

You don't wanna be a man though. You want to be a chad. Most men are fat and malding

shit everyone expects the male presenting male bodied male to be a man

Woman would love that
Cry harder
And mtfs don't want to be cishon land whales so?

And mtfs don't want to be cishon land whales so?

Wrong. Being a fat woman is the ultimate aspiration.

No, cishon land whale is not the average woman
Fat and malding is the average man
Most mtfs would love nothing more than to pass as an average woman. To your point though, the AGP type who wants to be a hot bimbo is extreme male brained.

You want to be a fat woman with cute face
Even if the woman isn't fat you still don't want to be a cishon

Fat and malding is the average man

Only if average man by your definition is 60y/o obese pig.

To your point though, the AGP type who wants to be a hot bimbo is extreme male brained.

So 99% of board lol...

You don't wanna be a man though.

You want to be a man.

You want to be a fat woman with cute face

Well yeah, that's how my transition turned out so I was rather happy with the result.

the thing is none of those women who said shit like this ever lived as men and ones who tried don't want to continue. change my mind

i also have "oh if i haven't all this shit and was a normal guy i'd so fucking amazing" but doesn't mean i'd live as a man

Thank for proving my point
If you can't pass it's better to continue as woman

Thank for proving my point

It's not like anyone *wants* to be ugly, regardless of gender.

boy, i'm literally amab. i don't understand why you didn't get my point

Woman would love that

thanks for ignoring everything else i wrote and then lying about the one part that can be disproved but is definitely not true based on detrans trends and employment data

Cant*

Obviously? However it's not hecking valid in my situation I guess.
Ftms detrans because they realise they can't pass.

What does it mean to pass as a male?

Every single woman I've met in my life has unilaterally said they would immediately end their lives if they were male. In my life experience there are almost no women that want to be men

No woman wants to be a woman

No man wants to be a man

Very much not true. As someone transitioning MTF, I used to think all guys would become women if they could. They wouldn't.
In fact, I've talked to cis people about the effects of HRT on male bodies and T on female bodies. Some were dispassionately interested, but others were grossed out, horrified, and visibly disgusted by imagining the effects of hormone therapy on themselves, saying they could hardly imagine wanting to do that to themselves. Clearly those people wouldn't become the opposite gender given the opportunity.

Yeah i used to think that too. It's classic gender dysphoric projection

Ftms detrans because they realise they can't pass.

it is unfathomably easy to pass as male. I do trans maxxing tranny boot camp type shit for my friends to help them pass. trans women are the hardest because some times face is just fucked some times but I've gotten them all to minimum twinkhon, trans men with the proper dosage and right gym routine and hair, and some extra chemicals, I've basically turned them all into stealth passers some from the pooniest of poons

Based

why would they be happy in a male body? that means you get treated like a man all the time which obviously no women actually wants.

Why are you so mad at me for trying to help you? You sound very hateful and I sincerely hope that you get help.

how the fuck are women AAP? i bet she's hardly saying anything at all in op pic. she's probably bragging about liking the outdoors. AAP is a sexual thing; and women don't like to take charge or be seen as masculine in sexual contexts, it's very much the opposite.
at other points when women claim to want to be men, it's a form of complaint and voicing a desire for some perceived advantage men have. they don't actually want to be men, and would very likely turn down the offer if it was given to them.
women don't want to be chad lmao. not unless they're lesbians or something. idk even then.
if you're talking about yaoi, most women aren't even into that. the ones who do and self-insert as the men have major hangups. they want to be a man who acts like a woman in pretty much every capacity, essentially recreating heterosexual dynamics. but because it's technically not a woman, they can bypass their self-hatred and insecurity (and resentment of straight men).

What does it mean to pass as a female?
Imaginary women bro

Clearly those people wouldn't become the opposite gender given the opportunity.

Being horrified by HRT doesn't mean you don't want to be actual opposite gender.
They just understand HRT can't give you want you actually want.
Yeah yeah I'm sure an short feminine afab with small eyes and big hips can pass as man and not as pooner monstrosity!
They do though

I've meet so many women with AAP, have you ever talked to a woman lol

they don't actually want to be men, and would very likely turn down the offer if it was given to them.

Actual men or trans men? That's a difference.
Rest of post is cope you just don't understand women buddy

what is AAP to you?
you don't make arguments you just say this every time. i've read a lot of smut written by women and they hardly EVER, EVER write from a dominant perspective.
maybe more women would want to be 'transmen', i.e., take t for a while to make their voices deeper or something? if it's ftfemboys, that's exactly what i said about the yaoi discussion-- that's being a man without being a man, it's trying to have your cake and eat it; it's fantasy to escape from perceived misogyny. but very few woman would want to be actual men.

Yeah yeah I'm sure a short feminine afab with small eyes and big hips can pass as man and not as pooner monstrosity!

stupid, no one is measuring the size of your eyeball, women's are smaller for their size. the real issue is brow ridge but again with a beard and working out none of these tend to be an issue for the guys I know, no one clocks them after they actually put the work in
it's also about presentation
both MTF and FTM tend to not realize how restrictive passing actually is in the aesthetics you can pull off, it's always about highlighting your strong suits and hiding areas where you're weak. I've had to teach almost all of my friends how to dress to pass and basically tailored their gym routine to do this