The Cass Review: USA Edition

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The White House Is Ordering the NIH to Study “Transition Regret” and Detransition

The White House has directed the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to study the incredibly rare occurrence of transition regret after cancelling millions of dollars in research grants for transgender health, according to anonymous sources who spoke with the scientific journal Nature for an exclusive report.

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The language of the order already set the tone for what many expect to be a deeply biased and predetermined report. Notably, “rapid-onset gender dysphoria” is a disputed and scientifically unsupported term frequently used by anti-trans advocates to cast doubt on the legitimacy of trans youth identities. The inclusion of this terminology in the mandate signals that the forthcoming report may be more about ideology than medicine.

Adding to concerns, then-acting NIH director Matthew Memoli recently sent out an internal email directing the National Institutes of Health to fund research focused on the “chemical and surgical mutilation of children and adults”—a phrase rooted in anti-trans rhetoric.

they say it themselves
genspect.org/genspect-exclusive-the-hidden-clause-in-trumps-executive-order-the-downfall-of-wpath-again/

We have since confirmed through reliable sources that a Cass-like systematic review will be published by April 28, 2025. This review has the potential to reshape the landscape of gender-related healthcare for children in the United States.

ARE YOU READY TO NOT EVEN BE ALLOWED TO GET BLOOD TESTS? READY TO GET YOUR DIY CONFISCATED AND BE PLACED INTO A CONVERSION THERAPY CENTER FOR NOT CONFORMING TO YOUR GENDER? WELL ZIPPER YOUR TITTIES AND BUCKLE YOUR BULGES CAUSE IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING FUCKNUTS!!!!!

UK tranners, what's it like in hell? US tranners, WHY AREN'T YOU MAKING PLANS NOW?

I've been on diy monotherapy for a couple years now and it's working great.
Existence is resistance.

being transgender is very rare, but it's still important to understand and accommodate us

actually detransitioning is below the rareness threshold. It's transphobic to care about it!

anything that makes it harder for trannies to troonsition will make it harder for detrannies to detroonsition

less than 1% of the 0.6-1.6% of the population of people in the US who are trans express any kind of regret or detransition, according to the highest quality data you can get without violating ethical laws and applying impossible disparate standards to trans healthcare than those applied to other areas of healthcare (including gender-affirming care for cisgender people, the most dependent and adamant about access to their gender-affirming care but without calling it that)

You don't apply this standard to any other medical condition. Oh this thing is rare, so there's no point in studying it, seeing what causes it, etc. The absolute disrespect trans ideologues have for detransitioners is gospel within your community, but to outsiders it looks insane. People are getting tricked or misled into ruining their lives, and it's not just the frequency that makes you not care about it. Everyone cares about preventing rare harms. You have a "to make an omlette, you have to break a few eggs" attitude toward these people, all while claiming to care about minority rights and social justice. The hypocrisy is obvious to everyone but you.

All those studies are like

well of the people who still describe themselves as transgender 1% regret being transgender

btw we had a 36% drop out rate but that’s irrelevant haha XD

like if you studied scuba divers who regret scuba diving while they are literally still scuba diving you’re going to get similar numbers. You need to consider the people who didn’t even get in their wetsuits.

you're contradicting yourself lol, do you not see that? provide any sound basis for you claims, literally anything, where's the evidence? you're just engaging in rhetoric

this standard to any other medical condition

if you suggested stopping any other medical treatments that had the same regret rates as transitioning, they’d laugh your ass out the building

btw we had a 36% drop out rate

source? how do you reconcile that with the very well-understood decades-long body of evidence used to arrive at the less than 1% detransition figure?

decades-long body of evidence

That’s your second problem. Refusing to separate the typological populations between oldtranner and nutranner

source

All of them, if you actually care to ever read beyond the conclusions or headlines. There was a pretty recent one using VA data that had the rate really low but very high dropout in the 30%s, you can probably find it quickly. Drop outs for GAHT alone usually range from 10-30% depending on the year as well

Refusing to separate the typological populations between oldtranner and nutranner

what's the difference? how do you define and separate them, and how does that change the outcome of the data? you can't substantiate anything you're saying, so you should probably just give up lol

UK tranners, what's it like in hell?

It isn't so bad. Doctors are useless anyway. Plus my family never would've let me transition even via the "legal" method (I started DIY in my late teens and my mum tried to stop me again and again). The fact that I look like shit and I hate my entire body is completely coincidental to the whole youngshit ban thing.
The only thing I'm really missing out on is FFS covered by insurance, which I think Americans just lost out on, right? Sucks to suck I guess, welcome to da club.
What's crazy is it's impossible to even save up for FFS out of pocket because the wages are shit and I'm too autistic to get a good job. So you're kinda screwed either way
If they were operating on this axiom they wouldn't have pulled the funding for anything and everything to do with trans people beforehand. They'd be doing research for trans people in addition to detransitioners.

there is no difference between these pictures and psychology should treat them as the same underlying pathologies

Sigh.. I’ve litigated this too many times and I don’t care anymore. You end up just resorting to bad faith

“omg there is no difference between a Thai ladyboy, NEET manmoder, sissy boomerhon, ftmfemboy, fat pooncel, bimbo husstuss, etc”

but like we discuss the differences several hundred times daily on this fucking board so either you’re just refusing to give an inch because you’re arguing imaginary arguments against your parents or JK Rowling or some shit inside your brain right now, or you’re arguing just for sport.

my source is this picture of an attractive person and an ugly person

LOL thanks for confirming you're an idiot here to detract in bad faith

people that came out post 2015 would be nutrannies. those that popped up at the advent of trans visibility. they'll express a history of not knowing they were trans prior to exposure. they identify as trans rather than the sex opposite of their sex assign at birth. they try to distinguish between sex and gender as they have internalized transphobia (they don't really believe a sex change is posdible which is why they still discriminate based on sex assigned at birth).

old trannies identify as a sex, not as trans. they don't run around waving progress flags. they don't even go to pride. they just want to be normal, frumpy women that pay their bills on time and work a menial job. not: be an only fans thot. more like: is a cashier at the grocery store.

…their level of attractiveness wasn’t the point. They’re expressing two contrary points about their gender identity despite referred to under the “trans umbrella”
coom brain

how do you know this? how can you prove this or identify them, using real data and criteria beyond appearance? how do you know which trannies are lying and which have the "correct" motivations for transitioning, and what is the actual material difference between them?

you're just describing TERF stereotypes and neo-blanchardism

sorry, what was that? you said something about imaginary arguments while arguing against the arguments you literally imagined I made? I'm lost

we need to separate these things using a variety of criteria for purposeful research

but how do you do the thing without doing the thing

retarded-san… the whole point is we ought to do the thing

You argued the only difference is that they are different levels of attractiveness
I clarified
You aren’t even trying. Go back

because we have empirical evidence
notice the older population generally stays the same, but the 18-24 crowd sky rockets? which one is more likely to tiktok? whici is more likely to get swept up social media trends that are designed to drive engagement from users?

You argued the only difference is that they are different levels of attractiveness

where? lol you're fucking crazy

no
stop with the empty rhetoric and "everybody knows" style invocations

what is this graph? what is its source? what actual data does it represent, and how does that data relate to your argument? what IS your argument, anyway, that we can identify which trans are the fake or bad ones and which shouldn't be allowed to transition? how does that relate to the assertion of age?

>my source is this picture of an attractive person and an ugly person

when your idols like hunter schaeffer never got a legal name change and go on an 8minute rant proclaiming they're trans (rather than a woman) it shows that young people missed the point. they got psyopped.

you're several layers of abstraction removed from either the original point you made or any of my questions

you can try and do better next time, or you can just not reply if you don't actually have anything to contribute

how? what is the psyop? being trans is not bad or something to be ashamed of, and it seems like you only feel that way because you think it is as a result of abuse at the hands of your oppressors (whose opinion and rhetoric you are now spreading to downplay attacks on our ability to continue existing)

why do pointless internet debates with people who just want dopamine always end up the same way

go on, explain how that is an argument that

the only difference is that they are different levels of attractiveness

or how that provides any substance to your point or addresses my questions

bro, the real world operates on cause and effect - you can't just make shit up and say it's the truth and threaten anyone who challenges that with violence (that would make you religious/conservative, aka an authoritarian)

you have zero material basis for your claims that there is a meaningful difference in terms of requisite gatekeeping or access to healthcare for different generations of trans people, and you can't even coherently say what you really want to because you know it's literally just hate speech

golly this is really like talking to a LLM. You are the one who said that greentext. Sorry I didn’t commit it to chat memory.

this graph doesn't support the narrative i like so i'm going to try to discredit it

you guys can't accept that maybe young people are retarded, immature, and easily get swept up in social trends.

ya act like rogd was discredittes because you threw the study out, but when the data shows across the world a surge in cases starting around 2015 with a predominant influx in ftm patients, it's indicitive of a societal or social shift.

You are the one who said that greentext

yes? what? are you sure you're not the LLM here? I didn't deny that, I literally said that in this post and you're still not explaining how that translates in your head somehow to

the only difference is that they are different levels of attractiveness

let us identify the material basis for something that everyone has subjectively observed

but you can’t ! You don’t have a material basis to collect the materials to form a basis.

shower

i'm going to try to discredit it

LOL no I'm not, I'm asking what it is and where you got it - like what does that data even represent? I'm not attacking you I'm asking you to explain the vague reference to what I presume might be real data that you shared

what is the psyopp?

pink pilling
egg cracking

how does my only response to your argument being “my source is this picture of an attractive person and an ugly person” translate into your ahead as me saying “the only difference is that they are different levels of attractiveness”

Take the L or take your meds.

you've lost it bro, what are you even trying to say anymore? did you read anything in the OP before replying to this thread? what subjective observation has "everyone" made and what are you trying to define?

shower

maybe after I do my laundry

600 patients in a 50 million country

Holy kek

what subjective observation has "everyone" made

are you schizophrenic or do you just not have theory of mind? you didn't make an argument, you posted a picture, and I acknowledged it - I literally and figuratively, in every sense and interpretation, did not say or attempt to communicate your imagined "argument"

president who goes on random YWNBAW rants in public speeches announces research into detransition

surely this is a good faith attempt to study an interesting phenomenon and not an attempt to build a case against trans people with its bottom line already written

do you actually think anyone believes you when you do shit like this?

post your fucking sources this isn't Anon Babble and your contextless "infographics" don't mean shit, you fucking moron

did you have breakfast this morning anon?

>what subjective observation has "everyone" made

aside from you being retarded?

post 2015 is modern transgenderism aka nutrannies. they aren't hsts or agp. they're rogd.

We need to do what the us didn't after the civil war. We need to do what the world didn't do after WW2. We need to kill every single one of these degenerates. No "let's save the nazi scientist cuz they know science". No "they may be nazi collaborators, but they're from a very old institution". No "they're just civilians". No "they're important, killing them would be problematic". No "they're rich so let's not do anything".

infographics

That’s just a table.

doesn’t know the academic paper published about this board

Go back tourist.

using VA data

Cite your study or shut up.

prove it

the only detractors ITT literally believe in wishful fiction like "ROGD"

lmao
you deserve what's coming

prove deez nutz

or at the very fucking least not invite them into our institutions and public policymaking

but I got ROGD after jerking off to MEF stuff for 12 hrs a day for 4 years, do I not exist?

hey you know what else happened in 2015? election cycle rhetoric started ramping up, mostly from russia, pushing the most aggressive anti-trans propaganda campaign in history (putting the lavender scare to shame) and with their draconian laws being pushed in the US

The fuck do they think this is going to do? They already tried to ban transition for minors nationwide, blue states told them to fuck off. trying to do it with "Science" now is not going to make a bit of difference.

lmao

you deserve what's coming

these are trender tears. they're acting smug because they know what they've done. they'll desist. meanwhile trutrannies are gunna get crucified. that was the whole point if acting in bad faith. they think trans is an identity like being a yankees fan.

The fuck do they think this is going to do?

see and it's already happening and the efforts to ban transition for minors have had HUGE impacts on trans people across the country already, yes including in blue states, but especially the most vulnerable in red states

which is more likely to get swept up in social media trends

Boomers. Those retards will believe anything that floats across their facebook feed. A majority of GOP boomers still honestly believe that Obama was born in Kenya. All the "Alternative medicine" retardation like colloidal silver and horse paste is also driven by old people uncritically believing whatever rolls across their screen.

It's literally the same thing as left handedness. All the old people who were slapped and forced to write with the right hand stayed right handed, while the next generation who didn't get abused for it, stayed left handed. Those old people lived in a world where you were seen as fair game for murder, rape, and beatings. They learned to bury that shit deep.

schizo
you will never be one of the good ones

holy zoom. you know some of us actually remember the early 2010s and had tumblrs
t. former transphobic microgression-seeker pansexual genderfluid sjw

this is in Britain, retard
and mainly affects people who are too poor to pay for their own healthcare.
People who have their own insurance will not be affected by this.

what's your point? I'm older than you and I've been on the internet, and Anon Babble, quite likely longer than you've been alive

why are you talking about conservative politics all of a sudden? You know boomer brainrot doesn’t make zoomer brainrot valid, right? Everyone is being equally rotted in different ways imo

this (Cross-thread) is in Britain, retard

and? what the fuck do you think is happening in the US right now, retard? do you not understand that this is being pushed across the west and templated then repeated whenever it succeeds, like it has from individual states to others and eventually to the fed or over to the UK? do you know what the cass report is or what the OP is about?

the older generation is ignorant!

so you can't phathom that the younger generation would he equally as retarded as their parents?
that's a trick. there are no good ones in the eyes of transphobia. i'm not trying to be one of the good ones. i'm telling you not to carry my cross.

What is your point?

conservative politics

is literally just made-up and not real politics, as it's just about lying to get your way and justify stepping on others, and is currently the primary vehicle through which anti-trans rhetoric and LEGISLATION TRYING TO MAKE US FUCKING ILLEGAL is occurring

i believe you could be right, however there was already damage done so i don't blame anyone for being terrified. i just care that my adult hrt will never be taken away, even my swing state told the guy who tried to fuck off and the bill failed.
i do worry that due to past incidents in history (wakefield, for example) the study will be fudged and they'll tout it as a discovery.
as someone who is in arizona, the law mandating a ban on medicaid covering hrt FAILED. this is a informed consentfag problem, if you have a trans specialist that is not informed consent you should be unaffected.

source: erin's legislation chart, being a resident

well, it's very straightforward: like I said in the anti-trans fascist rhetoric we're seeing got its start with the russian election propaganda machine and Anon Babble

so, again, what is the point of your non sequitur about tumblr and sjws?

You're not addressing my original point - The US political system is very different from the UK.
The US federal government can't dictate the matters of states to the degree needed to stop trans healthcare in blue states. Even if they try to cloak their efforts in phony "Science", it will fail just like their previous efforts to stop trans healthcare in blue states.

I don’t understand what any of that has to do with increasing the amount of specialization for transgender taxonomical classification

your way

why do you think people who don’t align with your ideas 1:1 are conservatives?

The US federal government can't dictate the matters of states to the degree needed to stop trans healthcare in blue states.

yes, it literally can, and already has actively been doing so with efforts like targeting medicaid - poor people and people who can't DIY count too you disgusting sack of shit what the fuck is wrong with you are you even fucking human

the anti-trans rhetoric ramped up in 2015

we saw a huge surge in trans identified individuals particularly in you people

young people are more often in their rebellious phase of life

the trans surge was very much anti-establishment

the trenders are reactionaries that opposed russian subjugation

lol but that's not what I said, I hope you understand that the word "you" in that specific case and turn of phrase did not literally refer to (You)

Imagine not producing endogenous hormones post surgery. Imagine only having two gonads.

politics

I'm talking about an obvious conspiracy spread over social media and how it is blindly believed by the older userbase. You asked who was more likely to be influenced by social media and I answered with a concrete example. Idk why you're pouting about it.

so you can't phathom that the younger generation would he equally as retarded as their parents?

The proposition stated was that older people were not effected by social media trends like younger people. That is positively rubbish. I provided an example.

The uptick of transgender individuals was an anti-establishment protest of Harambe’s death

t.knower

increasing the amount of specialization for transgender taxonomical classification

the only apparent motivation or need for this further specialization, and efforts by groups like SEGM and Genspect who are intimately involved with this US Cass Report bullshit, is to gatekeep and oppress trans people because they do not believe in gender dysphoria (as a matter of dismissing both hard evidence and others' stated subjective experience while insisting their baseless and self-contradictory beliefs about those peoples' subjective experience supersede those people's rights)

you're not very good at this

unironically I had my repper shit on lock, life was miserable but I was determined, until every fucking board on Anon Babble started getting flooded with increasingly insane anti-troon rhetoric - so I started asking questions and learning more and finally accepted myself, specifically because someone else was vocally and irrationally attacking a minority group and shitting up unrelated boards and discussions with it

Actually my motivation is giving people proper mental healthcare as someone who suffered from misdiagnosis and failures in that system myself growing up, but sure thing

You need to touch grass, seriously. I won't argue that things aren't bad, that bad people who want to exterminate us aren't in power in the federal government.
But I will absolutely argue that they don't have nearly as much power as they'd like you to think, and that the majority of their efforts fail due to opposition in the courts and states. Because it's true.

Take a moment, go outside, clear your mind, and stop being so obsessed with "things getting worse".

but I didn't say anything about your motivation

contrarianbraines into trooning

That’s soo Anon Babble

they don't have nearly as much power as they'd like you to think

how much, exactly, is that? what have I stated they are ACTIVLEY DOING RIGHT THE FUCK NOW with REAL CONSEQUENCES for REAL FUCKING PEOPLE that they are not doing? what have I stated they have the power to do that they can't?

the majority of their efforts fail due to opposition in the courts and states

historically, yes, but now we have more and more instances of the lower courts (having been stacked for a decade in preparation for this more general conservative takeover) and the supreme court allowing the administration to move forward with these things and also for STATES TO DO THE SAME THING

I'm not making shit up or dooming I am talking about what is ALREADY HAPPENING and what they are PUBLICLY SAYING THEY WANT TO KEEP DOING

the anti-gay rhetoric ramped up in the late 80s

we saw a huge surge in gay identified individuals particularly in young people

young people are more often in their rebellious phase of life

the gay surge was very much anti-establishment

See how dumb you sound? Yeah, young people are going to be the ones to change first, they don't have decades of social programming to fight and are going to be best positioned demographically to make use of already existing social changes. And no shit those young people are going to buck up against the societal and governmental systems that directly discriminate against them. It's like you've never looked at literally any social movement in the last millennium.

Are you going to ramble about how the Protestant Reformation, driven largely by younger diocesan priests against the established prelates, was nothing more than youthful angst that they'll grow out of?

and you example falls flat because thinking obama was born in kenya was not derived from facebook or social media, but from public media like television and fox news.

boomers weren't on instagram. zoomers were. hence we saw boomers become anti-trans per the media they consumed that was different than the social media online that the zoomers were indulging in.

both were groomed. the answer is more nuanced because they were groomed by different things. so boomers are being told their daughter is just going through a phase where zoomers are being told the man is oppressing their right to self-expression so they should fight back.

two sides. same coin.

the only apparent motivation or need for this further specialization

I just gave you another apparent motivation / need for further specialization.

Can you stop being annoying already? I know you are thriving on these (You)s but I promise you, it feels good to agree with people online sometimes. Nobody will remember your previous posts, you’re anonymous. There is nothing at stake. There is no downside to just saying

yk what that’s a valid point anon, but I still have concerns it could be used by others who don’t have such noble intentions

i have vials stockpiled and have no plans to change the marker on my ID so realistically do i have anything to be worried about

but you haven't made a single valid point you fucking moron, I'm not doing this for (You)votes I'm expressing myself and discussing real things that are happening on a topical imageboard

arguing a bunch of things just to agree with my point

k ty lol

I'm in a similar boat, and especially if you're in a blue state then no you don't have that much to worry about in the immediate short term - but they are cracking down harder and have openly said they are going to go after DIY and try to make it illegal for everyone, not just minors, to medically or socially transition or otherwise not conform to their gender (I'm not kidding they literally said this)

then explain why prior to 2015 detransition rates were about 1-2% whereas now it's more like 10-13%

whereas now it's more like 10-13%

source?

but they are cracking down harder and have openly said they are going to go after DIY and try to make it illegal for everyone, not just minors

I got mine, sorry.
Total Youngshit Death.

do you have reading problems? I just said that they are coming for you even if you are an adult and DIYing

I'm talking about an obvious conspiracy spread over social media and how it is blindly believed by the older userbase

>sociel media

fox news isn't social media.
you could argue boomers started joining facebook between 2015-2019 which explains the degredation of the platform and why their children ran from their parents to more niche communities (like the trans community) to try to escape the hovering of their helicopter parents.
but television was more impactful with boomers than facebook as some boomers still refuse to engage with the internet.

I have vials stockpiled for the next 4 years. What are they going to do?

eventually? try and make it so you can't talk about it openly like that without legal repercussions, and if we end up full nazi wet dream then them searching and seizing if they have any suspicion of possession (and I'll admit it getting far enough for that is very unlikely just because people are going to get violent and demand change if they push too hard)

anyway fuck you for your "I got mine" attitude you suck