Homestuck

Its 4/13, so I'm making a Homestuck general thread. If you read the comic, talk about it.

How is this relevant to LGBT?

Pretty much every other trans person I know at least has heard of it, so post your letters and your experience with it if you had it.
FTM, was a massive fag about it, I had to stop reading at the introduction of Caliborn and Calliope since my family's old ass desktop didn't have the required flash updates for that part of the comic and my boomer mom wouldn't let me update since she thought it was a virus.
Karkat was my patron troll and yes I did lowkey kin him and was insufferable about it.

karkat is a stealth ftm that's why he's so short and angry all the time
dickless manlet rage

No wonder he called to me when I was a teen desperately trying to rep my trans feelings.

what does literally any of this mean and why have there been 2 homestuck threads today

i read a tiny bit of it when i was like 10, i was confused on whether it was a point and click flash game or a comic for the first 20 pages
i never got into it really, i would like to be part of a fandom or community but its hard to get interstes in things ;_;

Homestuck is a massive webcomic about a group of kids playing a video game on their friend's birthday that will destroy the world and let them make a new universe where they get to functionally be the gods of it, additionally being helped by a group of aliens that played the game that created their universe but fucked up and its causing problems for the human kids.

he called to me because his issues with his blood really resonated with my experiences of being trans

God, I remember being so obsessed with his blood stuff, and I think its only you saying this that kind of put it into words why.
I also remember kind of hating the turn the series took with him, when I finally got back into reading it (thanks school provided laptops) I intensely disliked the canonical DaveKat stuff, but that might just be me.

My cis gay friend in high school introduced it to me, along with Problem Sleuth. Started reading in 2010 and kept reading up until they were stuck travelling through time and space on that dumb platform for gods know how long.
Never went super hard on being a fan though, in large part because I didnt really care about shipping. My faves were Karkat, Roxy, Meenah, and Dave. I also liked the mayor of can town
I see it now

they shouldve canonized stealth ftm karkat instead of canonizing boomerhon repper transbian john. at least they did the right thing by canonizing mtf vriska, patron saint of BPD agps

This shit sucks ass

The June stuff always felt weird to me, as much as I like canon trans characters. Maybe I was projecting, but I liked the idea of ftm John, considering how much of the series was about him growing into adulthood and male roles, and becoming fully realized as Heir of Breath.

boomerhon transbian john

What.
Holy fuck I am so out of the loop, did that seriously happen? I know theres an epilogue now but I havent read it because I stopped reading and all

What made my sides go into orbit was roxy, who is heavily implied to be a trans woman (Ro-XY?) being revealed in the epilogues to be a poonrepper who gets pregnant and stops having poon thoughts in one timeline, and an incredibly obnoxious theyfab in the other.

Gayden here. I remember getting into it back in 2010, when I was around 12. It was one of the first internet things I got into. I was a massive autist about it for most of my teenage years, but looking back, I could've been a lot more cringe than I was. I just looked at a lot of fanart/shitposts of it and followed bladekindeyewear and got really into the classpect theory shit. Never went to any conventions or anything, but I did casually cosplay Jake to school one day, and that's how I met the guy who's still my best friend to this day since he was also a fan.
I still like the sort of retroactive foreshadowing that Hussie did to make new plot points on the fly that seemed like they were planned in advance, though it's sad that towards the end things got more sloppy. I followed it through to Act 7 just to get closure but had been getting increasingly disappointed with the story throughout Act 6. I was in it for the improvised storytelling and byzantine yet somehow still cohesive time travel plots, not the aimless, nihilistic relationship angst it devolved into. Haven't paid any attention to the "sequels" or any of the other slop that's come out since the IP got bought by Viz Media. As far as I'm concerned, Homestuck was an experience that no longer exists, even if you can find still archived artifacts of it and some people are still puppeting its corpse around, ironically enough, like Weekend at Bernie's. Even though it wasn't nearly as popular or influential, Homestuck had suck a wet fart of an ending that I think Problem Sleuth was better if only because it was properly resolved.

june egbert never made sense. john was always proud of being a nerdy boy, was never once feminine at all, constantly asserted the fact that hes a straight guy with pride and just.... idk the more i think about it the less sense it makes. i legit think the person who made the toblerone wish to make john trans was either

a) a yurifag that liked the vriska/john ship but didnt liked that it was straight
or b) the worlds ugliest tranny who was never once feminine as a child and trooned out very late who somehow related to john so they thought john must somehow be trans

it just angers me so much how out of all the characters to canonize as trans the took the most cishet character out of the cast. i was never a huge ftm john fan but it makes so much more sense than repper john so i can feel your pain. at least pesterquest canonized trans vriska and hinted at ftm sollux in pesterquest

Basically there was like a treasure hunt ARG across the country and whoever found the treasure could ask for something to be made canon. Trans girl found it and asked for John to be made into a canonical trans girl named June.
Hussie would try to say some stuff about how they totally planned the June stuff but everyone knows its bullshit atp.

I was reading along really really early on but tapped out way before it went off the rails, might get around to reading it all someday

Honestly I feel a lot of this. I still have a lot of fondness for Homestuck, it was my first big fandom that got me into art, and so many of my sketchbooks from back in the day are filled with shitty fan art, and it led me to making some really important friends.
I don't read the epilogues or anything, I can't be assed.

Agree on most of this, but they hinted at ftm Sollux? I never played pesterquest, but cool if they did.

continued
Anyway as it relates to being a gayden, I did come out while I was a fan of Homestuck, but I don't think it had much influence there, other than the tangential connection of the fact that I found out that medical transition was an option through the internet, which is also where I found out about Homestuck. The reason I was (and still am) on the internet so much is that my life was (and still is) shitty and being poor means I've had to look for free entertainment.
I did look at NSFW fanart and shipping content, but I wasn't particularly committed to any ships, I was just a horny teenager.
Also I guess it was cool that Dirk was canonically gay.

a few years after homestuck ended, back in 2019 hussie made an irl scavenger hunt were he hid toblerones around the us, with some clues as to how to find them, similar to that bill cyper statue scavenger hunt alex hirsh made. the prize for finding the toblerones is that hussie would gift the toblerone finders with a wish so they could canonize whatever they wanted and it would become a plot point in homestuck 2. some retard winner made a wish to make it so that john transitions into june egbert. the problem is that basically no one on the homestuck team liked that because it made no sense. to make the only cishet character, a character who has shown zero signs of feminimity or wanting to be a woman, a character who loves talking about how straight he is, into a tranny was just weird, especially bcuz hussie had declared in a blogpost before about how trans people get the hero role for their preferred gender, and john was a heir, a role that multiple characters said over and over how its reserved for only men, so john was basically misgendered by both skaia and the narrative

every single wish that was made was turned true except june egbert because the writers didnt liked it. it was constantly hinted at, but years would pass and john would slowly get older and older and now hes narratively 26 years old and now with a new writing team theyre unironically making june egbert canon 7 years after the wish and its so embarrasing. john is legit built like a brick and hes fucking 26 years old grown ass man who has never once questioned if hes trans before and they want us to believe he will be a passoid. please
the whole roxy thing is so hilariously transphobic i legit forgot about it bcuz the fandom just likes to pretend it didnt happen lmao

God i forgot about "June" getting misgendered by Skaia holy shit.

I only see people talk about trans Roxy in the context of porn, usually so that if they make Dirk and Roxy make out it counts as gay now.

That’s… strangely in line with its beginnings where readers would send in prompts for the characters to do, and yet I do not like it in the slightest. Man.
Wait, what the fuck. How did they not make her mtf, that bitch is mtf as fuck
Problem Sleuth was my favourite of the two back in the day, for roughly the same reason (shorter, less convoluted, more consistent tone from start to end). But I does sting a little, knowing that Homestuck ended the way it did. I dont think I’ve experienced a piece of media that has achieved the same vibe and community since, and I kind of doubt I ever will

Tbh if you ever need eyebleach for the epilogues and jade harley canonically having a dog penis, or terezi and john canonically fucking, or vriska and gamzee canonically fucking, remember: the fan content is out there. Go hop on ao3.

Gods. I dont even know how to digest that. Thanks for the summary, the details somehow make it even worse. Whatweretheythinking

everything in homestuck where they're in the houses in the pre story is based but as soon as they go out into the virtual world or whatever homestuck fucking sucks and i wont read it

That reminds me, my Minecraft skin is still the Mayor. I feel like as a pooner I have a natural affinity for funny lil doods.
Everything I've ever heard about the epilogues, sequels, etc. has made it sound unbelievably dogshit. Why are there multiple writers? Why make so many characters trans if they're going to fuck up and make wildly transphobic implications in like 3 different ways every single time?
I remember when a jadeblood pooner was introduced as one of the new characters and I think that's when I decided I wanted nothing to do with anything post Act 7. I heard they even made Dirk evil, sad.

I dont even care about shipping desu, the decisions they’ve made are just plain weird to me. Like getting sucker punched by a level of incomprehensible I wasn’t expecting. Like putting a big scoop of ice cream directly onto a warm frying pan. I dont understand.

not only that, daily reminder that john is built like this.. (1/3)

What's funny is that its all purposefully weird and bad because its supposed to be a commentary on fandom and fandom culture.
Note I am NOT saying that this is good and i hate this shit, but this is what i'm told whenever I say its weird that Rose cheated on Kanaya with Jade.

in an artstyle were women are drawn like this

That’s… strangely in line with its beginnings where readers would send in prompts for the characters to do, and yet I do not like it in the slightest. Man.

I think the difference is that you used to get a monkey's paw sort of deal. You'd submit a suggested action, and then whether it was so sensible as to be boring or clearly just a shitpost, Hussie would interpret it in a way that was actually fun and interesting. "What if this everyman male character troons lol" and then just doing it straightforwardly just sucks.
I HAD ERASED THAT CURSED KNOWLEDGE FROM MY MIND, AND YOU BRING IT BACK

AND IN THIS TEASER THEY WANT US TO THINK THIS IS HIM (3/3)

Honestly, I know everyone said the fandom for HS sucked but I'll always have a soft spot for them in my heart. Like yeah, the harassment was bad and the shipping wars were hell, but the meps and amvs they'd make introduced me to my favorite band and other bands I still love and listened to and inspired me to partake in my creativity a lot more than I would have otherwise.

another point about john in homestuck 2 is that hes canonically a fucking manchild bum. every one of his friends ends up having kids, getting married, funding entire companies, leading countries, having jobs, being successful, pretty much every single character has accomplished something except john. he literally became a neetcel who was a complete shutin after sburb finished, locking himself off from the world for some weird reason, not socializing until his friends and the narrative force him out, not getting laid or even a single girlfriend after getting cucked by that green skeleton girl who cant even fuck and having his crush get pregnant. hes literally the definition of a bum: jobless, sexless, broke, shutin, the only thing he has is friends and theyre all too busy with their lifes to even hang out with him. and THIS is the person were making trans??? a 26 year old manchild bum??? UGHHHH

"you think it's bad because it's actually a deep commentary on society that's supposed to make you uncomfortable, and you just don't understand"

- classic cope by shitty writers

homestuck is fucking retarded and if i found out one of my friends was into homestuck i would disown them immediately

It really is, especially when its so blatantly shitting on the fans.

Isn't it wacky what people do in fanfic they make for free and shows how much they care about our series?

Don't you feel silly for writing big dramatic plot points in fanfic isn't that stupid when we make that stuff canon

Don't forget to buy the books and t shirts tho

the harassment was bad and the shipping wars were hell

I was a diehard fan for years but I never really ran into that. Allegedly they were out there smearing grey paint all over anime conventions, but it wasn't that hard to avoid drama if you weren't the kind of person to seek it out intentionally. That said I've met a couple of people who somehow got into Homestuck during or after Act 6 started, and they've all been obnoxious. It's like there are two different fandoms, with the newer one completely replacing the original. Did theyfabs hear that Homestuck was popular with pooners back in the day and try to retrace our steps or something?

rose cheating on kanaya

This is some end of evangelion level bullshit wtf lol
Feels like ever since Hussie did the Tricksters-are-Caucasian-looking-whoops-I-mean-peachy thing something about his views on his own ideas of canon versus fandom changed. Like it soured him, in a sense, because the whole event marked the comic growing so big that he no longer felt comfortable joking around with the community.
The ending sounds like he slowly sunk into a demonstrative resentful rejection of his own authority over the work, combined with an insistence that it is still his work to burn and tear apart. The classic “This is what you wanted, isnt it?” Type of beat. I cant say Im a fan.
Yeah I think that’s an apt description of it. There’s really not much of a joke to be made about turning john into Jane

Okay then I guess it really was just Hussie running it into the ground

homestuck would've been better with a plot about forcefemming the cast

There's a part in the epilogues where a character implies the clown troll is a kid diddler/groomer, because the epilogue writing team decided no character would go unbutchered, even the crazy murderous ones need to be made worse.

GIWTWM & my friend who doesn't know I'm a repper

unironically better trans rep than canon John 50

just do it anyway?
ik so many tgirls named jade lol