Is it over trans people?
Is it over trans people?
It's hilarious there are Republican voters who support trans rights.
Like Caitlyn Jenner would be part of that 5% of Republicans who want healthcare coverage for trans people I guess.
I wonder why they still don't realize the Republican party blatantly uses trannies as their punching bag to pander to the 95% of Republicans who want the culture war circle jerk.
Total cissoid death when
This is why "trans visibility" was such a horrid idea. The elites don't really care about us, the people do. We had all of these things, with very little public concern, 5-6+ years ago, despite mediocre to poor polling among normies.
could get legal documents changed fairly easy
few states attempting bathroom bans got stomped on by nationwide boycotts
health insurance had to cover our care (despite this polling at only 27% for, lmao)
no bans on talking about trans people in certain settings
most sports leagues of good repute allowed us to compete as women
anti-discrimination laws widespread
And still, somehow, people thought making us into a matter of public debate? Why? What could we gain? Mid 2010s was the golden age of being a tranny.
Your army of <1% versus 52% of the rest of humanity.
I don't favor your odds. Ever.
we didn’t put ourselves up for debate!! the repubs did, bc they needed a win and we are easy to hate.
I don't favor your odds. Ever.
I think the golden age was actually the 2000s.
1990s were pretty good too but you didn't have easy access to drugs from the internet by that point.
Mid-2010s was the beginning of the end where you had Caitlyn Jenner coming out and Anon Babble began flipping from most tranny friendly website on the internet to the most tranny hating one instead.
2000s Anon Babble only really ever brought up trannies either in fap threads or at worst some good natured debate about whether liking trannies was gay.
its complicated
Things are gonna end badly for us
Nah, you lucked out and all the tranny hating stuff got grouped in with retarded economic policy that crashed the stock market plus mass layoffs of federal workers so now there's likely going to be a backlash against Republicans and avoidance of tranny hate in the near future.
Sure, but irl things became better from the 2000s to 2010s. A lot of formal gatekeeping was dismantled and the legal situation improved considerably. And Anon Babble didn't go full anti-tranny schizo until 2019, this is about when the usage of "tranny" on Anon Babble began exponential growth.
Republicans seized on it after we put a target on our own backs.
late 2000s was optimal because it was starting to become reasonably practical for youngshits to exist, but people other than us hadn't noticed that yet
it was never going to be possible to maintain that state forever, people were inevitably going to notice and we were always going to end up here.
it's not luck, but other than that you're correct
lucked out and all the tranny hating stuff got grouped in with retarded economic policy
No, all of the retarded policy proposals are lumped together for a reason.
It was not at all inevitable that we would have as high a profile as we have now. Medical transitioners are 0.1% of the population.
This looks good compared to the UK. Average Angloid has comparable opinions to your average Republican.
Tranny acceptance has declined even among democrat voters so it's possible it will end up in a situation similar to the uk where the leftists turn on trannies as they realize they lose more voters than they gain by supporting them.
the only thing America loves more than individualism and self-determination is SPORTS.
There just needs to be a social convention where you can to competitive sports or transition/take hormones but never both and social relations will improve
everyone say thank you jdpon don
Yes unsurprisingly propaganda is a tool used to control the people. If we talk positively about trannies in TV and internet again opinions would rise. If we keep talking worse about them, it'll go down. If the media could stop fucking talking about us that would all die down where most would end up don't know/don't care because only what's on TV and internet matters.
All of this is fluids guys just relax and have fun.
once we get fucked we'll bounce back. As does everything.
trans visibility was there to make a noticeable minority, which then later could be used as a scapegoat.
Once they get tired of trannies, they'll move on to another minority. Then the cycle will continue.
Literally the most effective propaganda is just reposting shit trans people post themselves. A lack of positivity isn’t the issue more so than a lack of self-awareness is.
Looks cis
It was not at all inevitable that we would have as high a profile as we have now.
i think the fact that the entire western world is freaking out about us is evidence that it in fact was inevitable. it's not just one country, it's not even just the anglosphere. like it or not, the standard conception of gender dysphoria is on a collision course with parental authority over children the instant you acknowledge that children can have GD (if gender dysphoria is a medical condition for which the treatment is transition, it's child abuse to not let your kid transition).
i don't think we should back down on this, i think we have to fight that battle, but it was never going to be an easy sell.
I truly think hons are a majority. At least hons + theyfabs most certainly are the majority. Asian countries have like .6% tranners but in the US it’s like 1-3%
I think it's funny because nontransitioning hons and theyfabs cause all the outrage but passoids and youngshits get all the targeted legal hatred.
I.e. people mad about pronouns so they outlaw hrt for youngshits
If anything hrt for those over 50 who didn't start younger than 50 should be outlawed
If it was just about individual parental authority then shouldn't kids be able to transition with parental consent?
isnt trans people a .2% of the american population (baring theyfabs who dont count).
see
upset people don't make sane policy proposals that narrowly address the specific thing that emotionally triggers them, they go nuclear on the entire category of thing surrounding the thing that emotionally triggers them
parents wanting to maintain control of children is the cause of the war but it's not the only place battles are going to be fought
how many times do I have to say this?
the CIA did it, they're using us as a boogieman to control the popular narrative
picrel
That's absolutely normal behaviour in the Deaf community. Like, looks bad out of context, sure. But in context, this is absolutely how they operate.
Sign languages don't have a "written" form. Like, you can't really "write down" how to sign a new word and then teach that to people. "Video of Jewish ASL terminology" is basically just a textbook for them. Especially if someone is a child to hearing parents, the parents don't know shit about sign language, and their instructors aren't Jewish/queer/whatever and can only teach normie ASL, who's supposed to teach this kid niche terminology?
That and queer people are massively over-represented in the Deaf community. So just grabbing a random deaf person off the street, there's a big bump in the chance they are also queer/trans/whatever. So it's totally plausible that a deaf, youth-outreach worker for a synagogue just happens to also be turbo queer.
That and queer people are massively over-represented in the Deaf community.
wait, what? this seems interesting and important if true
i think the fact that the entire western world is freaking out about us is evidence that it in fact was inevitable
No, it's evidence that the loud trans visibility activists pissed off everyone capable of speaking English these past 5 years. Eastern European nations were liberalizing their laws on us as recent as last decade.
It's kinda poorly researched, because Deaf people hate doctors/researchers (for good historical & contemporary reasons). So most discussion about this is in the domain of "gender studies" academics, which is why it doesn't get talked about much outside those hyper-progressive circles.
Could be cultural permissiveness about being a sexual/gender minority, inside a community that is already marginalized? Could be legit genetic correlations that haven't been properly researched because "fuck audist researchers trying to 'cure' deafness and homosexuality"?
Voice is a huge part of gender. More or less someone's soul really.
Imagine a world with no voice. That's probably it.
You think men and women don't "sound" different in ASL? : P
For the record, I'm not actually deaf. I just had a bunch of friends in university who were in an ASL Interpretation program.
I've been meaning to take some classes, but the scheduling and pacing for them is kinda brutal since their target audience is mostly "people who are suddenly deaf as adults or the family members thereof and need to reach 'functional' ability quickly."
hand movements a lot less complicated to change than vocal tract size
there are loud annoying activists for every issue. trans activists aren't anywhere near as over the top as, for example, climate activists can be. look at just stop oil. they don't generate anywhere near the pushback that trans issues have gotten, they're recognized as being fringe groups that don't speak for everyone.
the thing that makes trans issues feel more threatening to people is the fear of having a trans kid and not being allowed to impose their own will upon them. this is expressed as fear of having their kid forcibly transitioned, even though that doesn't happen, because DARVO.
Why can't an old woman hold a plush toy and wear a brightly colored dress? What exactly is wrong with that? Who does it hurt?
It goes beyond that. Fundamentally not allowing your kid to transition is child abuse. Parents hate the idea of actually having standards to help to like "not causing your child a massive amount of suffering"
Why can't an old woman hold a plush toy and wear a brightly colored dress? What exactly is wrong with that? Who does it hurt?
That guy who got sent to El Salvador by mistake
the only severe changes on the democrats' part is fewer people want trans people in sports or prisons. i don't think it's over.
4chins is the most tranny hating website
i can think of at least five that are worse and we used to get screencap threads of three of them. that doesn't make it ok, and said sites are disgusting.
Yes. But it isn't so simple. there are bad actors everywhere. You can take the worst of any community and lie that they are the average (i.e. black communities). Anything is good propaganda if used right
Reality is propaganda
Sigh
Is it really a crime for a person to be ugly?
sadly, yes
pretty privilege is extremely real, even more so for women, u dont have to be a tranny to get shitton on for being an ugly woman
and with these hons its not only about looks, they missed out on so fucking much fem socialization its so baaad
Like okay that sucks and they should learn to act better but like
An autistic trans woman being awkward in public should not result in infinite tranny genocide
Even with Alex Jones promoting trannyism, you guys didn’t make it
Also when you restrict people's ability to get hrt and transition younger that makes it harder for trans women to socialize as women
most of those hons trooned out at like 30 so I dont think that would affect them
but yeah, you're also right, sucks :/
Irl stuff isn't actually the issue.
It's algorithmically incentivized hatred on places like twitter. If what happened irl still mattered we wouldn't be in this mess
I wonder if AI fakes become more common if tranny hate goes down because people no longer believe images they see online.
I know plenty of trans women at 30 who act normal or who are a little awkward but respectful in public. I feel like most of this hon content are just trans women very early in their transitions being meme dosed and poorly socialized being captured in brief snippets of the sucking
Pretty much this. There's a gigantic machine to manufacture hate towards trannies.
I think waiting around for AI to fix it is dumb, we have to organize and fight for our rights like gay people did. Read Bhatt/Serano
why does she look like my old math teacher wtf
It isn't. It's just too complex to categorize and things are easier with people in line so propaganda overshadows it
I told you all. I said the corporations pretending to be pro LGBT were full of shit and you all acted like I was the transpohobe. I think you all owe me an apology.