Trumps cass review came out

like the title of the article is "HHS Releases Comprehensive Review of Medical Interventions for Children and Adolescents with Gender Dysphoria" it doesnt seem to be applicable to older adults at all

noo you can't do what you want with your own body

here's a 400 page essay about why you can't do what you want to your own body!!!

okay bro we get it you're scared of demographic shift, I don't need to read 400 pages for it

you voted for this

what does that have to do with what I said?

lool get fukt youngshits

i doooooon't get how anyone wouldn't troon out at 12

if their angle is "protect the children" what the fuck does that have to do with us middle age troons

what the fuck are you talking about? why did you reply to my post if you weren't going to read it? try again see
for context

i just dont get how you are connecting it to the idea that this is going to escalate to banning it for everyone. that video is over a year old and is talking about it at the state level

"dude trump wont do anything to trannies its just a culture war thing"

remember when this got spammed everyday for a month during the election by chasers with no skin in the game and a few retarded token trannies

it's gold
the "healthy hormone ranges" of estrogen in men have been reported as "60-190pg/mL" and testosterone in women as "2-45 ng/dL"
I don't even know from where did they get these numbers holy kek

which is why all these people clamoring that we need to give up on children and prisoners are so wrong. doing so gives into the notion that it’s not really legitimate medical care and from there it all falls

In many areas of medicine, treatments are first established as safe and effective

in adults before being extended to pediatric populations. In this case, however,
the opposite occurred: clinician-researchers developed the pediatric medical
transition protocol in response to disappointing psychosocial outcomes in adults
who underwent medical transition.

The evidence for benefit of pediatric medical transition is very uncertain, while

the evidence for harm is less uncertain. When medical interventions pose
unnecessary, disproportionate risks of harm, healthcare providers should refuse
to offer them even when they are preferred, requested, or demanded by patients.
Failure to do so increases the risk of iatrogenic harm and reduces medicine to
consumerism, threatening the integrity of the profession and undermining trust in
medical authority.

There is a dearth of research on psychotherapeutic approaches to managing

gender dysphoria in children and adolescents. This is due in part to the
mischaracterization of such approaches as “conversion therapy.” A more robust
evidence base supports psychotherapeutic approaches to managing common
comorbid mental health conditions. Psychotherapy is a noninvasive alternative to
endocrine and surgical interventions for the treatment of pediatric gender
dysphoria. Systematic reviews of evidence have found no evidence of adverse
effects of psychotherapy in this context.

The voices of whistleblowers and detransitioners have played a critical role in

drawing public attention to the risks and harms associated with pediatric medical
transition. Their concerns have been discounted, dismissed, or ignored by
prominent advocates and practitioners of pediatric medical transition.

I can't believe Emily of Anon Babble would lie to me

Additionally, the natural history of pediatric gender dysphoria is poorly understood, though existing research suggests it will remit without intervention in most cases. Medical professionals have no way to know which patients may continue to experience gender dysphoria and which will come to terms with their bodies.

lol. they want to kill us all

Something needed to be done about transbians and ftmfemboy. I just wish the solution had been more surgical and targeted.

you are seriously retarded if you think the issue is optics. they've been targeting us because gay people got too accepted and they needed someone new to fearmonger about to distract people from the increasingly shitty economy

statement that sounds reasonable to me

”Israel just dropped another tactical nuke on 5000 babies”

This is why it’s hard for me to be an ally

a unified group of people promises to do a thing

they take steps toward it

but it's not happening

you'll get what's coming

I do not care. It wouldn’t have worked without these people co-opting transness and becoming lolcows.

you will never be one of the good hons

i have almost enough E to weather the next 4 years and no gonads so they have to prescribe me exogenous hormones

fear monger thread #477485

What is your solution honey? Become more radical and cartoonish so that they can justify each and every subsequent action?

bafflingly retarded

because the activist class that's actually driving these changes at the policy level opposes the concept of transsexuality in general, and "protect the children" is their foot in the door for shifting the overton window.

dont jump scare me anonette that guy is scary

just pretend it's not happening, hon!

ok pickme

emily isnt a trumper and every retard was spamming it desu

the only research they use is the zucker study (which admits itself that in cases of dysphoria persisting into adolescence not much can be done) then speculation about "adolescence onset cases" (AKA a heavy amount of cases in both Zucker's and Blanchard's writing, which persisted often)

They should do new research because the people Zucker studied weren’t anything like the majority of people becoming trans in 2025

oh okay, you just don't care because you got yours and you think they're not going to start making it illegal for you to exist in public despite constant and aggressively increasing attempts to do so outright legislatively

I've been telling you

picrel is a dude making fun of trannies, not an actual tranny
lurk moar

realistically if i have 4+ years of DIY stocked and don't intend on changing my marker what can really be done to me

you are the fucking enemy

Sometimes it feels like you guys are trying to speedrun your own genocide just so you can say I told you so

with this, alone? nothing
but this is not a slippery slope and you should not believe anyone telling you to just "not worry" or ignore it, it is a step in an escalating plan

then why is the study still used as a proof of "majority desistance"?

why do you want trans people dead?

hopefully states line MN and cali can stay shield states

It’s actually not clear whether or not that is the case. Imo they are severely mentally handicapped. They have big retard face

Case in point

dude you are literally defending conversion therapy, you're sick

goes to the doctor to check your hormones

"you have the hormones of an average ovulating 20 year old woman but it says here... male."

"sorry we have to record this to comply with the law"

permanently on a list somewhere, noted as a tranny

its a random scenario i made up, but the admin is insane enough to shit like it anyhow

yes but what's going to be done to me
i'm not officially marked as trans medically/prescription-wise or ID-wise so what is there to be done

well there hasn’t been any study ethically possible since the protocol changed. The studies in favor of gaht are all very old now too and A lot of the newer gaht studies have high drop out rates that don’t get counted for whatever reason.

I don't go to the doctor

yeah I knew he was going to be reelected so I stocked up it was the sensible thing to do.

i think the idea that we'd be criminalized for existing in public is a bit doomerish. but im a shutin anyways lol. i only leave the house a few times a month as it stands. literally how are they going to make existence ilegal

again, with this alone, nothing - but if things continue escalating at this pace (and I'm hopeful it will not get that bad since a lot of other bad shit would have to be happening at the same time that would be much bigger problems) it is completely within the realm of reason for you to expect them to start searching homes and persons for hormones and it being a crime to present in a gender non-conforming way in public (and I say that because of actual legislation and public statements)

I didn’t defend anything actually and you just jumped to 11 and decided to be openly hostile. This is the reason why people don’t support you guys anymore you know.

statement that sounds reasonable to me

nope, nobody here who's paying attention buys your shit

youre on the tranny board of Anon Babble tho. they know. they know.

they know what?

I'm 20 and started HRT a year ago and finally feel like a real human being and love myself again. I don't girlmode though, because I don't pass yet. Still, what am I supposed to do if they stop providing HRT to people under 26? What is the course of action in this situation? This is really scary to me, my life just started, I don't want it to be robbed from me.

DIY, start looking into it now (even if nothing happens because of this it's a good idea!)

that youre a troon, diy or not

but i'm not

Ok. Keep alienating people unnecessarily. It’s working so very well

I figured as much. The only thing that scars me is not having doctor supervision. I'd be very worried of health issues flying under the radar.

drink bleach any time!

what do you have diy for then dumbass

i'm not that optimistic, it's been nice hearing pritzker (governor of illinois) stand up for trans people but he's also got a billionaire trans cousin so not really that surprising. blue state hospitals have already been complying in advance with EOs on trans youth care

literally how are they going to make existence ilegal

anti-crossdressing laws have a long history, some of the new anti-drag bills they've been passing in red states are also vague enough that they could be used specifically to target trans people.

idk

What does it say about the "researchers" involved with this fake "study", that they're collaborating with the government that BANNED all discussion by scientists of transgender topics? Why are they so holy and special that they get to publish this, while everyone else is banned from it in a dictatorial brutal crackdown? This should be the first and last thing said about this so-called "study".

I don't think there will be a real genocide just a "niggification" of transness. They will make your medication a limited drug and then force you to buy it from drug cartels so they could use the "war on drugs" excuse to arrest you, deny you loans and to criminilaze you.

implying black people need drugs like trannies need hrt

In their case the goverment gave them the drugs, the Iran-Contras thing, but in this case they just need to illegalize the drugs to have a even better way to marginalize you.

the solution is to document enemy action and clearly state what the alternative is, so that when trump's faction is removed from power, because normal people don't like it when you try to burn down the economy, the group that takes power afterward can just do our alternative set of policies instead. we'll have lots of political capital because people are going to get negatively polarized against transphobia, because it's associated with the party whose central achievement so far is setting fire to the economy.
this is an extremely straightforward course of action and i don't know why people are confused by it.

erm we cant prove if pediatric medical transition is good or bad but its not normal so lets look at the alternatives we cant prove if are good or bad either. i have a good feeling abt the alternative though! (conversion therapy)

the poster you are replying to is not confused, they are detracting in bad faith

right after they wrote this they basically just said also we don't need evidence to say its bad

this is exactly why for like a decade now I've been getting increasingly nerd ragey over the way rightoids (especially lolb*rts)/traditionalists/religicucks of any kind have been actively attacking and undermining in public culture the idea that you can know or prove anything beyond what an authoritative figure or claim tells you most convincingly

Thats what you get bloodwork for, its more expensive but you can order tests yourself

um so I can just wear men’s clothes? that seems easy enough to subvert the anti crossdressing law. though id look like a woman wearing mens clothes so might still get busted

le evil trannies are erasing women!

"woman" on banned word list

What if I live with my parents? I can't let them know about this

now you're getting it! the confusion and apprehension you feel about even considering practical implications of this rhetoric being turned into law are the actual intent, and it's working!

it says we live in a military dictatorship

these people are fucking evil

the attempts at linguistic sleight of hand are toddleresque

hey um us cissies don't understand you and refuse to figure you out so lets just say all this shit is bad

I mean I kinda understand their point here and agree, I think it would be wrong to give a 12 year old SRS. That's a decision far too complex for a child to make.

how long until this affects prescriptions and doctor’s appointments? should i schedule to get a refill as soon as possible what are the implications of this

hhs.gov/press-room/gender-dysphoria-report-release.html

Chapters of this review were subject to peer review prior to this publication, and a post-publication peer review will begin in the coming days involving stakeholders with different perspectives. Names of the contributors to the review are not initially being made public, in order to help maintain the integrity of this process.

WE REVIEWED SOME OF IT JUST TRUST US ALSO CASS TOTALLY DIDN'T WRITE IT LOL

They are just lying. It's called "the desistance myth" and it's been refuted for over ten years. They keep saying it anyway, because they are dishonest and want it to be true.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_health_care_misinformation#Desistance_myth

How would they know you went out to get bloodwork? If you're not on a high dose you could probably get by without it but its always best to test once in a while just to be sure

it would not be a bad idea to go to talk to your doc/endo/diy provider right the fuck now and get a supply going

lol she was one of the biggest "nothing ever happens, trump is our ally" posters until february and then rebranded to calling him a zionist shill

fuck you all you right wingers do is lie lie lie about EVERYTHING

Oh, I thought you had to mail those in or something. I could just drive to Planned Parenthood or the doctor or something and get a hormone test? Like, they'll just do that even if it's not officially for HRT? I've been doing what you said for like a year now

you actually don't understand their point. That isn't what they fucking said at all. They said oh my god trannies r so vulnerable being manipulated into getting their GD treated with this stuff we refuse to accept! Think of the poor trannies we need to protect them from evil trans healthcare! Kill Yourself.

nobody is ready to go public with the obvious truth: rightoidism is just faith, and all faith is an expression of authoritarianism, and we cannot permit it to drive public policy any longer

fuck you all you right wingers do is lie lie lie about EVERYTHING

that's the point they're Straussians

I think it would be wrong to give a 12 year old SRS. That's a decision far too complex for a child to make.

notice how literally no one is advocating for that
people are advocating for puberty blockers and sometimes HRT that young because those things are actually time-sensitive and also are much more reversible than surgeries

oh don’t get me wrong. im fucking terrified. paralyzed with fear. i live in a deeep red state too

please try and get out if you can, even in the worst case scenario blue states will be much safer and you will find more resources while it's not going to take much at all for red states to start becoming much more dangerous almost overnight

Banning HRT for minors is a soft ban on passing tjough are you retarded? Do you think every trans person should be an ugly hon? If you're transitioning as an adult you're just an estrogen flavored twink for the most part. Most males are dimorphic as fuck by that age.

With all due respect, Wikipedia isn't the most epistemically responsible resource. And this just mostly proves that the evidence for this phenomenon is unreliable. It does not prove that if we were to do proper experiments for desistance and even defined what it was exactly that it would come up negative.

wikipedia is not a source at all you fucking moron, read its sources

You could argue that banning dangerous work for minors is a soft ban on allowing people to be homewowners using that type of logic, there're things that just can't be.

anon no that doesn't make any sense lol, stop, just try and explain that comparison - what parallel are you trying to draw?

There are things that minors shouldn't be doing, like making long term decisions about their bodies or working in the mines to buy land before it gets too expensive for them to do it when they become legal adults.

i think for rhetorical purposes it's often useful to talk as though your interlocutor is acting in good faith even if you're pretty sure they're not
it's a dangerous vulnerability to actually believe someone is acting in good faith when they're not, but if somebody you're arguing with in front of an audience is either retarded or evil it's fine to show a proof that "if this person is acting in good faith, they're retarded" and let the audience draw its own conclusions. if you jump straight to arguing that they're evil you can lose some people who haven't seen this routine before.

Well, you just gave us Wikipedia and expected us to take its word for what it's saying. And Wikipedia here isn't even making any arguments that desistance has been proven false. It's saying that our experiments for it thus far are shit and the people talking about it as if it's a well tested thing are pushing unverified bullshit. I'm telling you here, however, that it never said anything about it being verified as a fake thing that doesn't ever happen.

shhh I'm nta and nobody believes you, badfaithposter

weird, you're still not even trying to explain the similarities or parallel you're at best vaguely insinuating - let alone how or why minors shouldn't have an active role in a largely binary set of outcomes for a process with many irreversible changes and occurs as a matter of their biology

I finished reading the paper. shared screenshots I found relevant or worth commenting on. I want to kill myself now.

It's a synopsis of scholarly sources, cited in the section. Would you like if I copypasted the exact same text to my blog to soothe your autism?

don't let it get to you, just be aware and keeping talking with people about it

i never talk to people about this stuff. i broke today and ended up doing so though because its just so devastating. i try to avoid these conversations. nothing good ever comes of them. people just end up thinking im an annoying tranny and nothing else. theres nothing i can do.

past like 10 years old its all luck anyways. i've seen trannies who troon at 16 and trannies who trooned at 26 and the chance of them passing is basically the same.

in a largely binary set of outcomes for a process with many irreversible changes and occurs

You just described a loan, no serious country gives loans to 12 years olds and what you're talking about can have even worse experiences than a loan.

lol
you're not good at this

you can just say you don't believe in gender dysphoria

Focus on trannies begins with minors and puberty blockers

Shifts to sports for adults

Shifts to bathroom laws

Shifts to an elected congresswoman being misgendered officially and banned from DC bathrooms

Shifts to congresspeople freely using slurs on the house floor and in public

Shifts to outright banning care for minors

Shifts to outright ban for 19 year olds

Now shifting to ban for 26 year olds

Anyone saying it's not escalating and there's nothing to worry about are either retarded or coping HARD

you forgot the much more common option: bad faith detractor

what do i do as a floridatranny with nowhere to go and no resources to move with
too mentally ill and unemployable to just pick up a job somewhere and live on my own

I believe in human rights and human rights means that adults can do whatever they want, as long as it don't clash with the rights of other people but you want minors to take dangerous drugs for the 0.1 % chance that they have real GD and your shitty arguments are making the life of other adults harder in a battle that everyone knows that you can't win.

Many trannies learned to survive by sucking the dick of their bullies. It's their survival strategy

Some of why we're targeted probably involves trying to make us suck their dicks

florida is actually bad enough that being a homeless tranny in portland might be a better option than being any kind of tranny in florida

Stop being retarded probably.
But if you must know it's legal to be homeless in California and they give you free FFS and stuff too. You can have a tent and everything

go away

The main people to blame here is all the leftoids who thought trans kids was a hill worth dying on. We're basically suffering from the actions of a retarded minority.

just go live in the tents with the used needle drug powered aids ridden california niggercattle if you dont want to be mistreated for your medical condition

tentmoder... sounds cozy anon do i get to have a boymoder roommate
ive never seen a tranny irl other than in the mirror so it sounds exciting!!

kill yourself

What if you put your tent innawoods? Kaczynskimoding?

trans kids was a hill worth dying on

That's the only real transgender issue, if everybody transitioned young there wouldn't be any trannies in its traditional sense

bioidentical hormones are not dangerous drugs
antiandrogens and gnrh agonists are not dangerous drugs
cis people use all of these medications without it being a big deal

You should just do that in the first place rather than link to a wikipedia article that just says that some of the evidence for desistance in the past was misused and bad. Like, it doesn't matter how scholarly a wikipedia article is if it's not even saying what you think it is!

And now that I read your picrel which I thought was just from wikipedia, Yale has a political and financial incentive to say that shit. Of course they're going to. And you should provide a link to that article since that one isn't even on wikipedia! Or maybe I will just look it up myself. Fucking jeeze.

Literally if you have any thoughts about anything ever, people will say it's in bad faith. You see me as a tool for your political agenda, not a person worthy of understanding nuance in a topic.

How are you a tranny and you can't get a bf?
Are you a tranny or a baby tranny?

cass review sounds like they're reviewing a girl named cass but no its actually mean and rude and evil :c bringing shame to girls named cass all over the world

Not to that degree, you would need decades to know if their use don't give you cronic diseases or cancer on a large enough population

not het dont want a bf sorry
socially transitioned since 2020 and hormones since 2022 but sort of went back into the closet and haven't been taking my meds
just restarted E today tho...!

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PS, I looked up the yale article, and it's being gatekept from cheapfags like me. I'm not going to pay hundreds of dollars just to see if you're source is actually telling the truth or not.

cis people have been using these medications for decades. we know what they do.

Again not to the degree or long enough as how trannies use them, without a serious study you're just kicking the can until someone gets cancer and sues the geder clinic beginnig this bullshit all over again.

trans people have been using these medications for a century
we know what they do

Since 1925? I really doubt it and it was a clandestine use so no, we don't know if it's entirely safe, fuck even today we found that some old drugs gave our ancestors cancer and now are banned from most of the world but a scandal like that can destroy any progress made in just a few months.

well pharmaceutical sex hormones became available in the 20s. They would have been used in europe as early as the late 20s or early 30s, but any of those records have obviously been lost
we have better records of their use from the 40s
regardless, we have plenty of evidence of what hormones do to the body based on all the cis people who have used hormones all their lives for all of human history, it's really not that hard
hormones are literally supplements, not some unknown random chemicals

The screencap just seems to say that they looked at data for people up to 26 years old?

trust me anon i want to. im poor and friendless tho and dont really have a support system in any safe places.
same girlie same

Again not to the degree or long enough as how trannies use them

no, you are simply wrong. more cis women use exogenous estrogen than trans women, because there are many more cis women than trans women. antiandrogens are commonly used to treat prostate cancer in cis men.
these medications are well-studied. we know their side effects, we know their risks.

not reading because it's obviously just gonna be more bullshit and lies to try to justify authoritarianism
Oliver Chase would never do this

That's right keep blaming leftists, it's done wonders so far.

All of them used in adults not in children that can develop some serious problems from those drugs because they're developing their bodies. Yes I know I'm bakcpedalling but the point is that this needs to be 100% safe for children.

It's a free page to view, why are you even lying about that? Lmao

exogenous estrogen is commonly used in cis adolescent girls (it's a component of hormonal birth control).
lupron and other gnrh agonists are a standard treatment for precocious puberty in cis kids, which means they're given to kids even younger than the trans teenagers using them to block puberty.

hormonal birth control

The one that gives you cervical cancer if used for a prolonged period of time. I knew I heard about exoneus estrogen somewhere before.

Precicous puberty

So just a tool to make them experience puberty in the time they're supposed to, not to block pubery until they're 18. I'm not convinced anon.

Yet another case of cissoids ignoring the wellbeing of trans kids and people who transitioned early, sad!

Provide a link that doesn't lead to this paywall/student wall or a 404, then.

Sorry, I forgot to include the picture of the Yale business.

The one that gives you cervical cancer if used for a prolonged period of time.

well, that's one thing trans girls don't have to worry about, since they don't have a cervix. (also in cis girls it's associated with an increase in the rate of cervical cancer but a decrease in the rates of ovarian and endometrial cancers, so mostly a wash).

So just a tool to make them experience puberty in the time they're supposed to, not to block pubery until they're 18.

i thought we were talking about whether it was safe, not about whether it conflicts with your idea of what is "supposed to" happen.

If they give you cancer then they're harmful of they're used for a prolonged period of time and will guarantee you a new trans panic in like 20 to 30 years, do whatever you want but don't come crying when this shit happens again.

It sure is hard to be far right and have these disgusting tranny thoughts at the same time. On one side I can't help but say "Good," on the other I can't help but feel like it's a personal attack despite repping hardcore. It's like, this sure would fucking suck if I was 16 again and a whole hell of a lot braver than I was back then.

If they give you cancer then they're harmful

they don't "give you cancer". they shift risk from one type of cancer to another in cis girls, and don't have that effect at all in the trans girls taking estrogen because trans girls don't have the body parts in question (though trans girls do experience a similar transfer of prostate cancer risk to breast cancer risk, which is just their cancer risk profile becoming more like a cis woman's and overall probably decreasing).
if estrogen's effect on cancer were enough to provoke a moral panic that resulted in the discontinuation of its use, that would have already happened to birth control. it hasn't.
the moral panic surrounding trans people is not about health risks to children and never was.

you can just stop being evil. you do not have to hold on to a mistake you made in the past until it kills you. you do not have to cheer on people who hate you when they hurt other people just to justify the way you hurt yourself.

Your problem then, I only wanted to help but I can't stop you from hurting yourselves, bye.

files-profile.medicine.yale.edu/documents/98a6e83f-d1ac-4098-b67a-25be370aec2b
Here you go retard, you can stop pretending in order to deflect now, dishonest freak.

I'm not evil, anon, I just don't think there's a reliable way to tell apart people who are just going through a phase, and people who have real gender issues. I think it's better to hurt the later than risk harming the former. Also, my various mistakes are already killing me, there's no saving me, even aside from it being far too late for me to pass.

Zion don says - TRANS IS HARAAM

I only wanted to help but I can't stop you from hurting yourselves

just deny kids treatment so that i don't have to kill you, if you don't give in to this you're basically just hurting yourself

conservatism is domestic abuse as a political platform.

I just don't think there's a reliable way to tell apart people who are just going through a phase, and people who have real gender issues. I think it's better to hurt the later than risk harming the former.

the coalition you are supporting is not performing this utilitarian calculus. you happen to have done it wrong, but that's not the important point: the point is that the people you support do not care, they just want to push trans people out of public life. their goal is not to protect GNC kids who might go through a phase of thinking they're trans. you can see this in the state laws against "social transition" that cover things like haircuts. their goal is to hurt trans people with any tool they can lay their hands on. they want to try to coerce us into shutting up and repping, or preferably killing ourselves, and to relegate the ones who cannot be coerced to a precarious life on the fringes.

yeah i likely will tomorrow