A woman is anyone who wants to be a woman

so you can't correctly make a broad statement like that.

is what I meant to say.
Drinking last night.

So transwomen are neurologically female, and since your sense of self is a product of your nervous system, your self is female regardless of whether or not you've transitioned if you have gender dysphoria.

I don't think this course of thought is wrong, but I think there's a mistake in thinking that trans women are neurological female. This is an interesting study and sheds light that trans brains are more of a combination between the two:
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/

The classifier performed at 90.2% accuracy (AUC = 0.97) when assessed in the training sample and at 88.3% accuracy (AUC = 0.97) when assessed in our 48 cisgender brains. These measures indicate a suitable classification performance and a reliable distinction between the sexes based on brain anatomy. The estimated Brain Sex index was significantly different between the three groups (F(2,69) = 40.07, p < 0.001), with a mean of 1.00 ± 0.41 in cisgender men and of 0.00 ± 0.41 in cisgender women. The Brain Sex of transgender women was estimated as 0.75 ± 0.39, thus hovering between cisgender men and cisgender women, albeit closer to cisgender men (see also Figure 1). The follow-up post hoc tests revealed that transgender women were significantly more female than cisgender men (Cohen’s d = 0.64, t(46) = 2.20, p = 0.016), but significantly less female than cisgender women (Cohen’s d = 1.87, t(46) = 6.48, p < 0.001).

Basically, trans brains are distinctive from both stereotypically male and female brains and we can see this reflected in their behaviors, like transwomen being attracted to STEM fields that biological women are underrepresented in. This is why I say trans people are more of their own thing; the research backs it up.

I think the issue there is with the resolution on the brain sex index.
It's measuring the differences across the entire brain rather than the specifically gender bits, the specifically gender bits are male, female, other, or potentially just broken.

The difference in social and intellectual performances before and after hormonal transition is my evidence for this. Trannybrains just work better on estrogen than on testosterone.

If you were to take a cisgirl, remove her ovaries, and give her appropriate doses of androgens throughout her childhood, and male socilized "him", she would have trannybrain along with all of the same symptoms of gender dysphoria as a pre-transition transwoman. The part of the brain that deals with gender in both cases is irrevocably female, trying to get it to run as female just isn't going to work.

we should test if trans women act like women, not their brains

this person's tiktoks have fueled god knows how many zoomers' transphobia

You are the good tranners.

no, i am being dead serious when i say that. i wish i could be content with that belief and i deeply envy those who can.
they obtain happiness in a way i never can

It's measuring the differences across the entire brain rather than the specifically gender bits, the specifically gender bits are male, female, other, or potentially just broken.

I think this is an invalid point because the entirety of the brain is interconnected. The entirety of the brain is what is responsible for the character of a person and there are no parts that exclusively decide that person's identity in a vacuum.

The difference in social and intellectual performances before and after hormonal transition is my evidence for this. Trannybrains just work better on estrogen than on testosterone.

Right, but that's because it's fulfilling a desire, a desire to be more female. I don't say completely female, because that is an indisputable possibility and the research demonstrates this. A trans person can be more male or female leaning, but they still occupy a middle space between the sexes. They are something of a bridge, if you will and the research validates this.

If you were to take a cisgirl, remove her ovaries, and give her appropriate doses of androgens throughout her childhood, and male socilized "him", she would have trannybrain along with all of the same symptoms of gender dysphoria as a pre-transition transwoman. The part of the brain that deals with gender in both cases is irrevocably female, trying to get it to run as female just isn't going to work.

I think you would get something closer to a tranny brain, but not all the way. Again, gender isn't decided in a vacuum. There are parts of the brain that may have more influence than others, but the totality of the brain is what creates identity and nothing less. Tranners are in the middle. They cannot be "real" women or men. I'm not saying that to oppress or insult them and I in fact appreciate that uniqueness and would like to see it become more accepted. Do you reject this?

we should test if trans women act like women

And how do women act? Every woman is different.

And how do women act?

submissively, duh
if you provoke them they don't get physical

*indisputable impossibility

Have you lived in a bubble your whole life or something? What you just claimed is incredibly false.

And how do women act?

if you actually wanted to test this kind of thing you'd need to do a lot of research-y tests first to determine what behaviors cis men would typically perform and what behaviors cis women would
and you'd need like many different things, tasks, whatever, to measure
and then you'd put trans women (and trans men too why not) through those same tests once you had discovered some where women and men significantly differed in behavior, after controlling for things like height and whatever other complicating factors

and THEN you could decisively say with whatever confidence "women act like this under these circumstances this amount of the time, and here's our data on trans women under the same circumstances"

personally i would be thrilled to see testing like this except it should never happen because the optics are bad enough as it is and i think anyone who's honest for a fucking moment will know that trans women and cis women differ enough that any such testing would just be fuel for transphobia

most physical crime is men

if you actually wanted to test this kind of thing you'd need to do a lot of research-y tests first to determine what behaviors cis men would typically perform and what behaviors cis women would

Problem with this is that all cis men and women are different. I could take a man, punch him and he might cower. I could take another man, punch him and he might hit me back. Same thing goes with women, and yes, I have seen women hit men back. And if you would retort that we should look for averages, again, you averages are always context dependent. You might find more non-punchers in urban San Franciso and more punchers in rural Wyoming in regards to men. Women are supposed to be maternal, but plenty of women kill their offspring, through abortion and otherwise.

and i think anyone who's honest for a fucking moment will know that trans women and cis women differ enough that any such testing would just be fuel for transphobia

I think it's the opposite. I think since we have research that proves that trans people are a unique thing, then it merely justifies transitioning and not forcing them to live as their birth sex. They are in between and that is how we should view them.

It is, but testosterone plays a vital role in that, in which men simply produce more of. Violent criminals on average have more testosterone than non-incarcerated men and the severity of violence usually correlates to ever increasing levels of test. It's like how female hyenas produce a lot of testosterone, more than males and became the sex in that species as a result.

It is, but testosterone plays a vital role in that

unproven

*became the dominant sex in that species

Wrong:
sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0018506X22001544

Highlights

Testosterone has positive association with impulsive and violent criminal behavior.

Testosterone has a positive association with income generating crime at low cortisol.

Associations between hormones and criminal behavior are not moderated by sex.

Test isn't the sole factor, but it is a very large factor when combined with other factors.

How was that association determined?

Problem with this is-

irrelevant
if you arrange to test the way i'm thinking, then you're generating statistics and probabilities and distributions
then you just compare those distributions to each category you want to assess
if the normal distribution for mtfs more closely overlaps cis men or cis women then you have a meaningful answer

I literally posted the link, anon. All you have to do is read it.

Here is another one if you're interested:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3575604/

Free testosterone was measured in the saliva of 89 male prison inmates. Inmates with higher testosterone concentrations had more often been convicted of violent crimes. The relationship was most striking at the extremes of the testosterone distribution, where 9 out of 11 inmates with the lowest testosterone concentrations had committed nonviolent crimes, and 10 out of 11 inmates with the highest testosterone concentrations had committed violent crimes. Among the inmates convicted of nonviolent crimes, those higher in testosterone received longer times to serve before parole and longer punishments for disciplinary infractions in prison. In the housing unit where peer ratings were most reliable, inmates rated as tougher by their peers were higher in testosterone.

i just want people to be happy

irrelevant

It's not irrelevant and I explained why. You can always select for behavior through a filter. We have brain imagery that shows that trans brains differ from both sexes of cis brains and we can observe that trans people also behave uniquely from the two, like transwomen and their overrepresentation in programming. You're in denial, although I would still support the gamut of tests, regardless.

I want you to show you can explain why the evidence proves your point rather than just throw a fancy but ultimately meaningless of text at me.

Are you asking me to explain the exact mechanisms in which testosterone causes increased violence? There is no definitive answer to that because every brain is different and behavior is the result of personality and personalities are all unique and so on.....

That said, none of the text is "meaningless". We already have evidence that supports without a shadow of a doubt that testosterone, in combination with other factors like cortisol in more, can increase physical violence in both sexes, across different species like hyenas and humans. The evidence is overwhelming and obvious. If you want to deny it, that's your business.

you can find whatever in whatever

yeah but control for it
i'm in agreement with you that trans women would have their own distribution unto themselves and i personally see no problem with that
the obsession, of trans women and leftists and terfs and rightoids, for trans women to be somehow absolutely pure in woman-essence, and all the goalpost-shifting by every group to either include or exclude trans women from womanness, is dumb and gay and bullshit. i don't see why we can't appreciate reality for what it is. i don't see why self-determining sentient beings can't do whatever the fuck they want and call themselves whatever the fuck they want, and if there are differences between this group and that group, i don't see why that should necessitate disrespect towards one of those groups.
but i'd still be interested in seeing the results of such a test because i think it's neat

but you know for sure that it does because one study did a saliva test? Or maybe you just WANT to believe that for some reason?

but i'd still be interested in seeing the results of such a test because i think it's neat

Agreed.

and all the goalpost-shifting by every group to either include or exclude trans women from womanness, is dumb and gay and bullshit.

I think what's important is context. I have no problems with calling a trans woman "she" so long as "she" just personally strikes me as more "female" than "male". That said, I think trans people in general have to be careful with not trying to perfectly emulate "womaness" or "manness" because those are impossible tasks. A trans woman is a "woman" to me, but it's a different kind of woman to me from a biological one (and that's OK).

but you know for sure that it does because one study did a saliva test?

It's not just *one* study. The original link I posted referenced many others demonstrating a similar theme.

Or maybe you just WANT to believe that for some reason?

No. This isn't an issue that I'm ideologically invested in. I believe trans people are unique things unto themselves because the overwhelming amount of evidence supports that assertion and lines up with observable behavior. If trans people could be "true" men and women, I would accept that, but that's not the truth.

this is ideological you believe a man without the testosterone is a woman

I don't believe that, no.

What do we do about Lily Tino?

I salute a trans person with a brain

Also feel sorry that many people are hostile towards trans

because there's no such thing as a "real" woman. even afabs often note this, the strict definition of "woman" to one set of biological phenomena is reductive and often used to justify shitty laws for all woman-adjacent people

ignore attention whores at all cost

a man mansplaining what a woman is

no womb == not woman
tranny is a tranny, not a woman. embrace it