HSTS are fake trans and AGP are trutrans

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HSTS are fake trans and AGP are trutrans

This is verifiable from statements of psychologists but also blanchards work itself, within his work it is described that HSTS want to transition for reasons due to external perception, to get with straight men, this would be and extrinsic influence. On the other hand, AGP is described as being internally motivated even if just for a fetish, this would make it an intrinsic sense of womanhood.

If HSTS can't exist without society, and AGP would want to be women regardless due to intrinsic motivation, in what way would HSTS be remotely trutrans? AGP are the only ones with an internal sense of womanhood and again according to blanchard himself the only ones who would experience true gender dysphoria in the way we define it now.

im on a lot of coke right now and just typing away as fast as I can, apologies for any typos

Without society women wouldn’t dress like women either tho? They’d all just wear whatever’s comfy

hsts are self hating gay men

I don't think this is a path worth going down. You're just giving yourself self-insecurity and brain damage.
t. agp tranny

Another reason AGPs are closer to women than HSTS are, AGPs tend to be more gender non-conforming, their dysphoria is caused by their bodies due to the internal motivation. look how many just go out in cargo shorts and flannels. HSTS on the other hand force themselves to conform to womanhood as it is socially defined, as that is the only way they can identify with it due to it being an external motivation for them. They place so much value on makeup and clothes where as AGPs are more likely to pursue surgeries to change their own body.

I'm literally just on coke and want to do something retarded with this energy. I'm bored and my friends are not gonna be here until later.

based knower

True.

blanchard thinks all trannies are men retard

misinterpretation of blanchardist theory, you're using a mix of modern and 1980s definitions and conflating them

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Junkie nigger, drugs are for niggers

all trannies are men
agps are more masculine gay men
hsts are more feminine gay men
nobody actually likes women they just force themselves to put up with them because you get a 1000x social modifier if you are seen as "amab who dates women"

mad because poor and friendless, sorry I like to party. coke is a rich person drug so you've probably never tried it, bet your parents made under 100k a year and you never surpassed them either :3
it's a modern analysis on a paper from the 80s, this is how you do that.

ok tranny

Women don’t act like that though.

have fun never owning your own home :3 I already inherit 2 when my parents die and am working towards buying another :3

Nah im just a massive hypocrite and an asshole cause it's funny. Coke is based

HSTS = Feminine men
AGP = Masculine women
So hsts enjoy being feminine where agp are desperate to become women even if they are ugly women

Masculine women play field hockey not Fallout New Vegas

based take

most do until they are forced to conform by society at a young age, how most men are not traditionally masculine until they are forced into it by society and tend to be more sensitive as kids. HSTS do not have the conditioning of a female from childhood and are choosing to do this from outside factors, they are socialized as gay men and even punished for this behavior. AGP just act like women who are not socialized properly, like an autistic woman who was excluded from her female friend groups, you will see them behavior in more similar ways to AGPs as autistics are less susceptible to socialization.

see them behavior

see them behave*

hsts's have always been feminine tho. it's something that they literally cant help unlike agp's who often successfully mask as regular guys. this is such cope.

This is wholly irrelevant, AGPs tend to behave more masculine as they are socialized as straight men instead of gay men. They are still motivated extrinsically instead of intrinsically, which is why Blanchard says they will only transition if it has social gains for them (larger dating pool)

having an internal self is mental illness, for normal people gender is entirely external, ergo hsts is trutrans and agps are mentally ill men

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being a self hating gay man doesn't make you a woman

having an internal self is mental illness, for normal people gender is entirely external, ergo hsts is trutrans and agps are mentally ill men

well this is not true, you are conflating the multiple uses of the term gender as one concept, here you refer to the sociological construct and the psychological construct, while it is true no one has an internal sense of what gender presentation they will take without extrinsic influence, there is a mental schema of the correct functioning of your body which is provable. for HSTS and AGP neither experience the proper socialization for causing them to adhere to female gender roles, but HSTS do it anyway for social gain. AGP dysphoria aligns more with wanting to change the self into a female body, not the need to adhere to these gender roles which are not intrinsic to a person, which is why you see them failing to meet them as they were not socialized to have them and have no motivation to meet them due to no external pressures to.

AGP just act like women who are not socialized properly

Or, yaknow nerdy men on estrogen.
If socialization is the singular difference other than hormones then I’m kinda starting to doubt the whole concept of gender identity tbhfam

this is obviously the correct reading of blanchardism, and the fact that like five people in the world believe this is proof that orthodox blanchardites are not acting in good faith

Jeeps are so fucking retarded.

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If socialization is the singular difference other than hormones then I’m kinda starting to doubt the whole concept of gender identity tbhfam

okay I will explain this again but next person who does not understand gender is essentially differently defined for every single field I will not reply to, gender identity the way the trans community and psychologists define it is not about gender as it is defined in sociology, or gender roles, this are two distinct concepts which play into each other. Gender in sociology is what is forced on you due to the way you are percieved, in this context only trans women who pass would be women, gender as a psychological construct is your mental schema of your sex.

I'm gonna do another line brb

gender identity the way the trans community and psychologists define it is not about gender as it is defined in sociology

Ie bullshit with no burden of proof

the proof is these brain scans

some woman said something dumb on tiktok

why should I care about this? I'm talking about actual fields of research, not tiktok.

Neuroscience is again different to psychology but influences it. I'm not talking about a brain making something different because of structure, I don't care. The way in which I defined it relies completely on psychology not neuroscience, the mental schema of your own sex is completely based on your own perception of how it should align, I am not referring to the cause of this simply defining terms. I wish you people learned how to read I should not be able to communicate more clearly than you while on so many drugs.

You’ve… never actually read what any of those studies say huh. Basically we should detransition any data point outside the female range (AGPs inhabit this region, cis gays have always had measurable female shifted brains when they’ve conducted research) is what you think

what I’m saying is most people don’t have an internal sense of self separate from their interaction with society. Hsts transition bc they are already seen as effeminate and see that becoming a woman will ultimately improve their position in society, in the same way a normal person might adopt a certain look or personality traits in order to succeed in their career. AGP is what happens when mentally ill nerds spend too much time ruminating alone and develop an internal self that is completely detached from reality, and this internal self is more a kind of delusional hallucination rather than an aspect of identity

graph shaped like a vagina I win

didn't control for sexual orientation
you need cis gays and cis lesbians to make sure you're not finding sexual orientation in the brain and mistaking it for gender identity in your model you built based on cishet people's brains

You NIGGER

what I’m saying is most people don’t have an internal sense of self separate from their interaction with society.

This is a verifiably untrue take, it's why we define the lack of it as symptoms of multiple psychological disorders such as BPD.

normies dont spend countless hours thinking of themselves as an individual entity the way trannies do, its really more evidence of schizo or npd tendencies

They’ve done that with greymatter studies. I’m too lazy to pull them up but gynephilic trannies always end up being less female (especially when they do pre-HRT). That graph had 18/24 gynephilic trannies. You’ve obviously never looked into this stuff tho. We used to have discussions about brain scan studies every day here a couple years ago

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why does it matter if your grey matter is whatever size if you look and act male though?
Like if these differences actually caused trans women to ACT female, people might be a bit more on board...

schizo or npd tendencies

it's nothing like either, in fact narcissists have a very weak and fragile sense of self as defined by modern psychological research.

I think if you placed a man’s brain in a girl’s body, surgically, they’re more of a man inside than any pooner tbhon

cis gays have always had measurable female shifted brains when they’ve conducted research

yeah because if you find a brain feature that correlates strongly with androphilia, that's going to be a really good predictor of what sex a brain is. and since you didn't do the work to include cis gays in your model from the start, you're going to think cis gays are fembrained.
this is a flaw in the model.

dude just trust me about what this study i'm not actually posting says

Why Blanchard dickriders get mad at basic understanding of his theory?

I'm just not interacting with brain fags honestly, I don't care about neuroscience, psychology and sociology is more fun.

They’ve actually scanned many different parts of the brain related to things other than sexual attraction
I’ve had this conversation like 150 times in 2023, you niggers just come back the next day being ignorant again
It’s literally something a med school prof would be doing why should I do it for free

in literally every other psychological disorder we've seen repeatedly that repeated behavior influences the brain's function and structure to some degree. Why should I take this to mean womb hormones valid or whatever instead of just thinking repeated fem behavior could just do the same? if you can't provide a good reason then the discussion of brain structure is just stupid and irrelevant.

I don’t think so bc they will be seen as woman and over time adapt to a female identity

this is like going "patients with PTSD have completely different brain structure than the average person, this means that they were born with PTSD!!!" it's stupid

AGP would want to be women regardless due to intrinsic motivation

That's not how that works at all. Sex requires society, transitioning is always inherently a sexual thing.
Feeling like "you're in the wrong body" makes 0 sense without some sort of comparison to what the "right body" is. Secondary sex characteristics expressing the differences between male and female are just that - sexual in nature. So basically it all boils down to a sexual fetish. Yes, even asexuals it is a form of sexual fetish to them.

Yes, even asexuals it is a form of sexual fetish to them.

huh that's weird
maybe your theory is just wrong if it requires such silly conclusions

instead of just thinking repeated fem behavior could just do the same

This is true and the reason why AGPs don’t behave like women. Your genetics, hormonal exposures, and upbringing determine your behaviors. That’s how we end up with boys and girls <3

AGP

Pseudoscience. The correct term is MEF.

Feeling like "you're in the wrong body" makes 0 sense without some sort of comparison to what the "right body" is.

We do not have proof this is the case for trannies but this is objectively not true and completely disprovable by just looking into both body integrity disorder and phantom limb syndrome. our body has a an idea of how it is supposed to function and behave.
see above and

by just looking into both body integrity disorder and phantom limb syndrome

these arguments have been deboonked many times

Nope, not at all. The purpose of a man or a woman is purely sexual. Differentiating between the two is sexual. Men and women exist for sex so any idea of wanting to change genders has to be for sexual reasons, otherwise there would be no reason to need to express feminine or masculine secondary sex characteristics to feel "correct."

then do it

Phantom limb exists because your brain already made a bunch of connections and shit predicated on having the nerves in the limb that’s been severed

why should I? nobody takes it seriously

irrelevant, because then we could make the assumption it is the same in trannies. We have no idea what actually causes GD or body integrity disorder, we could assume it functions in the same way just with something else causing those connections to be made or destroyed.

you made a claim I provided opposing evidence if you want to have a discussion then just saying "nuh uh" doesn't provide anything.

both body integrity disorder and phantom limb syndrome. our body has a an idea of how it is supposed to function and behave.

Those are not exclusive to either sex, thus meaningless comparison. Both male and females operate and react the same way to that.

See, also, without actual vaginal plumbing hooked up, the brain of a male isn't wired to actually be the same as a female and vice versa. The male brain could never control a vagina and does not receive the bio-signaling and feedback of one. The brain isn't setup for that stimulus and that just makes being male and female different.

So it boils down to - trannies see females and their secondary sexual characteristics and want to express themselves that way (which will always be sexual)

yay reading this just made my doubts 10x worse

sorry I like to party

tweaking alone in your apartment and going on Anon Babble is not a party op...
cokeheads are only cool when they're social irl

(which will always be sexual)

we are discussing under the premise of AGP and HSTS being the correct classifications, nobody is arguing that. the rest of this post is completely irrelevant to this idea you reply to as well.

I am social irl and I have a job I just started a little early :3 we're going to the bar tn they're coming in like 2 hours 30 mins, bit over 4 hours from when I made this post

Nope I'm arguing a specific point OP used in his or her post

I am OP, I never said it was non-sexual for either party simply described how blanchard defines them. your sexuality and view of your own body as sexed is still intrinsic even if it's an erotic target location error which causes the intrinsic identification.

one thing I don't understand is why there's such an immense importance placed at the early transition of HSTS...
like if you can't even be openly gay and have to repress that, there's no chance you're gonna troon until you accept that you're gay.
and contrary to popular belief autism and (c)ptsd can of course also appear in HSTS and will delay the development of their sense of self
imo people that
1. weren't in a stable gynephilic relationship and didn't have regular sex or even identified as asexual
2. become exclusively androphilic after transition
should be counted as HSTS even if they transition later in life

oh no you're very addicted then... I'm sorry for you and all the money you're wasting on this.
it would be better invested in my ffs

is it a waste of money if it's fun and awesome? Also I already got all the surgery I needed from my parents so idrc

addicted

I literally only do it on weekends and not even every weekend. I just like letting loose.

This is just an AGP tranny (who is literally on coke) externalizing her insecurity about being potentially called a fetishist faketrans and reversing it onto HSTS. Don't take it to heart.
I wouldn't put much stock into what Blanchard says; I think like 90% of it is kinda bullshit, with enough nuggets of truth not to ne dismissed outright.
IMO, you shouldn't worry about "Am I faketrans or trutrans" just transition if it's what you really think you want or need to do. Gender dysphoria is really broad.

externalizing insecurity

YAWN. I just read blanchard and other psychological literature and am talking about it. If people see me as a fetishist that's fine

dysphoria

blanchard says this is only present in AGPs that's why HSTS will transition only if it benefits them.

It's fun to talk about you don't have to get so butt hurt

blanchard says

Well if Blanchard says it, it must be true. I'm going strictly by that DSM listing.
See, you can see in this thread that you're probably causing dysphoric androphilic trans women to repress.
And I myself repressed for some time because I thought I wasn't really trans and was just a weird AGP fetishist that should commit suicide. I don't want that to happen to more people.

Well if Blanchard says it, it must be true. I'm going strictly by that DSM listing.

the discussion is based on interpreting blanchard's typology THOUGH not discussing the DSM.

See, you can see in this thread that you're probably causing dysphoric androphilic trans women to repress.

that's their own choice and I'm not responsible for it, I made a post discussing a piece of psychological literature from 40 years ago which is talked about on this board a lot, it's not that deep.

And I myself repressed for some time because I thought I wasn't really trans and was just a weird AGP fetishist that should commit suicide. I don't want that to happen to more people.

again not my fault but good for you or sorry that happened i guess

Alright, if you don't care then you can stop arguing with me when I wasn't even talking to you originally.

They should separate gender dysphoria (hsts) and gender psychosis (agp) cuz they seem kinda different

THOUGH

Unrelated, but what's supposed to be the meaning of the all-caps "THOUGH"? I see it semi-frequently but don't get what it's supposed to mean.

just like a Anon Babble typing quirk from people who used this board for a long time to imply the person they're replying to is stupid

I am bi and aesthetically swing between hyper fem or total tomboy, I collect labels like pokemon

I guess I'm both lmfao

So, hyperfem cis women are not genuine in their womanhood, then?

I guess I'm both lmfao

blanchard considers bisexuals just meta attracted AGP, you can't be both and AGPs can be hyper fem

So, hyperfem cis women are not genuine in their womanhood, then?

how did you get that interpretation? the thing is AMABs don't have the socialization which makes women conform to these standards, AGP presentation can be more variable due to the intrinsic nature of the disorder where as HSTS is extrinsic so they MUST conform to these standards as that's the entire point of it.

most cis women will be socialized to behave how their society thinks women should behave