How does identifying as "homosexual" / "only attracted to 'men'" (or women for that matter) mesh with having...

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How does identifying as "homosexual" / "only attracted to 'men'" (or women for that matter) mesh with having...

How does identifying as "homosexual" / "only attracted to 'men'" (or women for that matter) mesh with having progressive views about gender? If you accept that men can be feminine and have afab anatomy, and women can be masculine and have amab anatomy, and that anyone can identify as male or female, then what does it even mean anymore to "only be attracted to men"? What do you mean when you speak of "men"/"women" in general terms?

Asking as a bi person who is open minded about gender and sexuality & struggles to understand this point of view.

It doesn't, transgenderism is fundamentally opposed to the existance of sexuality. The trannies are our enemy.

the truth nuke is that homosexuality and heterosexuality are not real biological states but cultural identities. Everybody is naturally bisexual. Understanding this makes this seeming contradiction not actually have to have an answer in logic, only in culture. And the cultural reasons to only display attraction to one gender even in its whole breadth of diversity is clear obvious enough.

I think this thread is along a similar vein but gets a little more into it than I'm trying to do. I feel like my question is a little simpler than this person's premise.

it actively doesnt unless your designation of gay or lesbian is semifluid.

Basicly are you more interested in the ideal fem or masc frame or are you interested in the thing in thier pants.

For me as a homosexual its both, once somone who i lust after becomes mtf trans i lose all functional interest in them and friendzone them like all the females i like.

Instead of man vs woman i think the attraction is more accurate as masculine vs feminine.

It’s not really natural bisexuality. More like natural pansexuality. Humans will fuck anything if nobody tells them not to and they get bored. men used to bring a sheep on long voyages and continually nut inside it’s sheep vagina for a couple months.

mesh with having progressive views about gender

I don't care about this.
t. G

Thanks for your input, that's kind of what I was suspecting but I have online friends who are progressive about gender but then go on and say things like "I only like men" and it bothers me because it doesn't make sense to me.

once somone who i lust after becomes mtf trans i lose all functional interest in them

This is also something I've wondered about, it's interesting to hear someone say this. I didn't think attraction generally worked like that but it really would depend on the person I guess, and I don't hold that against anyone. We can't help what we like anyway.

you're on the board, this is goomba fallacy

and thats why some countries have either no or very specific Zoophilia laws.

for me i will also admit environment plays into it a lot.

Imaging being raised by an all female multiracial/multibackground immediate family who are all lesbians. The exoticness of females kind of wears off. And unless you have an actual strong attraction to the opposite sex to overcome the "sameness". its possible to see men as the more exotic gender because you seem them extremely rarely.

Think of it like a straight person in America seeing a beatiful korean/asian women but for an entire gender.

I probably could love a female, but it would be a pan kind of romance/love and there would be no kind of sexual part of the relationship.

Tho it would probably end badly with me screwing her brother if she has one.

you're confusing having sex with something for sexual attraction to it.

is this true holy schnikes that's disgusting

Have you ever seen sheep ass?

trvke

heterosexual men are programmed to find round objects sexually arousing for literally no logical reason. it starts at 11 and we have literally no clue why we start getting boners looking at tits without even knowing what sex is.

Its 3fold:

For one being 100% gay or straight is virtually unknown of. Gay/straight are the extremes of an axis with Bi in the middle, if % is the other one you get a bell curve.

On the other hand I identify as gay cus not only do I find male bodies attractive, the status and social role of male is attractive to me. A mans role used to be provider, strong, masculine etc, and j feel like saying "I'm gay" does bring across my attraction to those features quite well

Finally labeled are quite man made. of the alr few people someone is attracted to are 90% male, 5% not categorisable and 5% female does him saying "I'm gay" to communicate that realistically only men have a chance make sense

ill drop 2 more:

that episode of south park is actually kind of close to the truth of some relationships because while some can continue post transition, some cant.

while MTF are the sexuality tests of heterosexuals. FTM are the sexuality tests of homosexuals. Thats when things get complicated, and you can and up with the FTM version of that episode of family guy involving quagmires father.

and as a homosexual, I wish I could understand that but my wires dont go that way. Trying to get me to understand it is like trying to teach a blind person what the color green is. I just dont have that "sense".

exactly while being 100% is neight impossible finding the opposite sex attractive when you lean the other way boils down to extremely special cases which are more based upon trauma bonding or some other kind of panromatic/sexual bent.

the validity of your gender or whatever has little to do with whether i am attracted to you or not. plenty of ugly ass normal/cis/whatever dudes you could not pay me to fuck

For me the progressive views actually work as a giant turn-off because if that person can choose to be a female, tomorrow, then that messes with my feelings too much, and I'm out.

If they are going to "gender goblin" I want none of that.

When using adjectives some common sense is a required. The term homosexual communicates generally something different to bisexual.
If you’re being that dogmatic, you could define everyone as a zoophile, because out there, in the universe, somewhere, an animal has evolved that arouses you.

and as a homosexual, I wish I could understand that but my wires dont go that way. Trying to get me to understand it is like trying to teach a blind person what the color green is. I just dont have that "sense".

Yeh. It’s why men and women can never truly understand each other’s view of the world.

The term homosexual communicates generally something different to bisexual.

That is fair enough. My logical mind just sees this and wonders, where does a homosexual person draw the line between same and opposite sex? And why? Assuming they have progressive views on gender. Like for example, what is so different to you about a more masculine cis woman vs a more feminine trans man in terms of gender and whether or not you think you could possibly be attracted to them?
I personally like to detach gender from concepts, terms, attraction... And make it purely for self identification. I think that makes things more flexible, universal and interesting.

I guess attraction isn't necessarily logical. And it's easier to call yourself "gay" than specify every time that you like masculine men.

no matter how masc presenting a cis woman is she's not going to have a dick and she's probably not going to be strong enough to pick me up and fuck with a strap like a man
have you seen women fucking with a strap? they're not built for it. they get tired fast

I haven't seen what every woman can do with a strap, so I will believe that there are strong women out there who can absolutely fuck someone up with a strap.

explain?

its also kind of funny and validating to see a MTF seeth when i tell them "sorry im gay"

why would they seethe about that?
mtfs are women
women love gay men

If you accept that men can be feminine and have afab anatomy, and women can be masculine and have amab anatomy

“If” does all the heavy lifting here. Anyone can be masculine or feminine - masculinity and femininity are cultural and social traits. Anyone can dress and act however they like.
But I don’t accept that a man can be female or that a woman can be male, and in fact all homosexuals that haven’t bought into woke gender ideology don’t either.

that anyone can identify as male or female

You can’t. Words have meaning.

then what does it even mean anymore to "only be attracted to men"? What do you mean when you speak of "men"/"women" in general terms?

A man is an adult human male and a woman is an adult human female.
Trans ideology is fundamentally opposed to the existence of biological sex and homosexuality, and the movement has undone so much of the progress lesbians and gays made, and repackaged 1950s homophobia as “progressive”.
Lesbians just haven’t “tried the right dick yet” and gay men actually can be attracted to female anatomy if they just try hard enough! Silly homosexuals, you’re just dirty fetishists. It’s not like you hhhave to use your primary sex organs with your partner for sexual pleasure. Just deny yourself! Hearts not parts, bigot!

it means it varies for everyone that is attracted to those they view as men/women. societies conditioned perception of what a man or a woman only confused people who fall outside of that. if a man that is extremely feminine, borderline crossdressing, is less than a man to you, that doesn’t mean that man is suddenly not a man or a homosexual. it means you view men a specific way and base your tastes on how you want to date/fuck men.

because i am no longer interested in them that way. The moment they pull out the she/her pronouns/identity my interest goes back to the tv in front of me.

e.g. they don't understand how I am not into them even tho they still have a cock and plan to use it, even tho they have a female identity.

All i see in front of me when they pull out the female identity is a woman, something I have no interest in getting sexual with.

It's like looking at a coworker who you enjoy working with but have no interest in spending time with outside of work.

I don't want their gock because its not attached to a male. If i wanted a gock id go to futa and even then there is an overwhelming amount of that kind of art that im burnt out.

this separation of genitals and body identity I've always found weird. The idea that someone has a perfectly female body and just happens to have a penis is kinda silly.

oh believe me it gets even weirder when applied to fiction. But irl once you get past the overall shock its like being gay with extra steps.

.... you think they're seething? That's the most gender affirming thing ever. As an mtf, gay male interest is ropefuel.

I never understand how transohobic mental gymnastics work.

ive never had so much as a conversation with a tranny and id like to keep it that way

This is exactly how i see transbians

t. Straight MtF

ur a homophobic gay man promoting homophobia at the behest of women who hate you

well ive had people who were interested in me and transitioned and couldnt understand why i didnt like them anymore.

They are only good as like coworker friends.

The concept of gay skinwalkers larping as straight is instinctually upsetting and I wish to be away from it. They are just so desperate for validation.

want to know something frustrating and concerning from personal experience? A LARGE portion of the furry fandom now has that.

But on a side note you want to know whats even more fustrating to me as a homosexual Agenders and genderfluid people.

but isn't furry larping as the other side of the equation - "im so masc nobody knows im gay"
I can't imagine actual flamers becoming furries it seems like a thing exclusively for masc self hating fags

I can't bring myself to give a shit about labels desu. Yeah yeah I'm non binary whatever let me transition already idgaf what you call me lols. Caring so much about such things is trender tenderqueer behavior

furry is a giant fucking umbrella, we are basicly DND kids everyone bullied back in the 2000s, it used to be ALL homosexual based until around 2012 where we had gay and straight content. Then 2014 hit and there was an avalanche of transgender content of the mtf portion. This also includes lots of chasers and groomers who were trying to make it all female.

But to bring this back on topic: for me atleast I dont see females as sexual objects regardless of if they are trans or bio. At best i see them as caregivers due to mommy issues. Hell the majority of whatever straightness I have is chasing after a women/escort who can "give me time" with my late mother by looking like them.

I still can't imagine a flamer queeny flamboyant type gay doing furry shit.
Women are just people who want to get you in trouble. Women are social police.

“If” does all the heavy lifting here.

I mean, the whole point of the "if" was to specify a particular group of people who have progressive gender views. I.e. not you apparently. But I appreciate you sharing your perspective as it's not a take I see often. In the community I'm a part of, people encourage gender deviance so to speak and I thought it was a cool idea. I said earlier, I think divorcing gender from things outside of pure self identification purposes is an interesting concept. But you bring up the issue of undoing progress for people who are lesbian and gay. I suppose you can't really have both, then.
I remember that I took issue with homosexuality as a concept then because it must reinforce gender norms/binary which I thought we were trying to break down in this day and age. I thought that's a decent cause. But I can hear out other perspectives.

To clarify, not against homosexuality as a whole. But identifying as only homosexual as opposed to bisexual, since there is plenty of overlap between genders in this day and age.

homosexuality is going against gender roles...

I'm not interested in being progressive.