Somebody just called me homophobic

somebody just called me homophobic
i dont really consider myself 'homophobic' though
because i dont hate gays , i dont find them repulsive or think of them as less human or anything, i mean ... sex is complicated and people are into different things , i get that
but they called me wrong because im a naturally religious guy
my take is this, some people enjoy gay sex, it makes them feel good , i dont got a problem with that, god does , god says its wrong , so it is

on a scale of 0 to 10
as a gay person , how homophobic do you think i am ?
(spare me the God no real crap, this isnt about that)

i think youre retarded and socially inept probably

you base your beliefs off a fiction book and want to be taking seriously?

rude
see >>spare me the God no real crap
also I'm ESL , I might be wrong , but I think it is Taken*, not Taking

It's a valid part of the conversation whether or not god is real. Because you are relying on faith instead of proper investigation.

This isn't how people treat anything in their life that they actually care about.

If you have a toddler you don't leave them alone in a parkinglot for 10 minutes while you go back in the store to buy something, placing faith in the toddler that they won't run off and get themselves killed.

You do the work to walk to kid to the car.

When you put faith in something with no work into securing it, it's because you care about comfort more than the sanctity of thing you are supporting.

So if you do not even care about whether or not god is real, but just that it makes you feel comfortable to believe he is real, why would anyone take your belief in god seriously?

What seperates you from someone who calls gays bad just because it's comfortable?

Because that is basically what you are. You didn't put in any work into verifying if gays are bad.

You don't actually care if it's true or not. Yet on hearsay (the bible) you would hurt potentially innocent people.

That is what is clearly wrong.

walk to kid to the car

walk the kid to the car*
mb.

maybe God Hates Gays because they are Godless Atheists like you

i didnt notice it 2bh,
funny how the brain just reads over those typos

But I'm not atheist lol. I'm agnostic. And what does that have to do with anything anyways you goofy goober.

if any criticism of the ''god hates homosexuality'' is always met with ''god doesnt exist'' instead of ''god doesnt hate homosexuality''

then maybe Gayness has got too much to do with atheism ,idk man

God isn’t real, and this is, unfortunately, about that.

shut up
i said this

(spare me the God no real crap, this isnt about that)

because im more interested in this

on a scale of 0 to 10

as a gay person , how homophobic do you think i am ?
than indulging in the ''is god real'' debate online

I understand you want me to attack god's hatred of homosexuality. But look at your post. You are asking for us to judge your character as well. And that's good, I'm trying to help.

If you assume god is real, then you're just avoiding hell right? So it must be fine?

Wrong.

So you SHOULD be neutral about gays. But you can't be neutral and follow god, because god says gay = bad. So you say gays are bad too. And that is sacrificing gays to remain comfortable.

You must understand, today, that even if god does exist, he is asking you to do something bad.

He is asking you to be comfortable condemning gays without actually knowing if they deserve it.

This is BAD.

You do not deserve to be comfortable hurting people without knowing if you should. You should not be allowed to use god as a shield.

I am not trying to hurt you too badly.

Im sorry but if you don't know god is real, then you don't know gays are bad. Yet you want to judge them. So you are 10/10 homophobic. I don't believe in degrees of homophobia. Not playing any weird scaling games to make you feel better. You either are or you aren't.

such a retarded take,
only a handful of things are binary like that
there's always a spectrum.
besides, i dont derive happiness from what a Anon thinks of me (god forbid lol )

its just my curiosity getting the best of me

Degrees of homophobia is something you only adopted to feel better about being homophobic. I don't need it because I am not habitually coping about being a good person.

You can attack me all you want but you are your worst enemy. I do not have to attack you at all, I think your guilt and your doubt will eat you alive.

In fact you want me to be mean, so that you can call me crazy or say I deserve to be treated badly.

Love ya brother. Good luck.

i didnt attack you , youre on Anon Babble
saying ''such a retarded take''
isnt an attack, i dont think youre prepared or fit to be on Anon Babble if something this timid bothers you

and yeah maybe i should ask this question in a different space, 3 different people posting the same 4 dimensional quadruple digit IQ ''god no real'' take doesnt really answer my question

ill take your answer as a10.10
but your just one dude , so it might or might not represent the general public's opinion

youtube.com/watch?v=mdKst8zeh-U
abrahamic religions all root from the same Canaanite polytheist tribal shit. Yahweh was part of a pantheon with El, Asherah (his wife), Baal and Anat. Apparently there was also a god of death Mot but Anat killed him or something. It's an ancient mythology not unlike any other. The whole idea of taking just one God to represent everything came from Canaanite exposure to Zoroastrians. They then went and retconned their god family to all just be one now. This is why Israel, "the rule of El" actually isn't named after Yahweh. Shouldn't it "Yahweh's Kingdom" or whatever? Because El was a fucking different guy, the leader of the council of gods. The entire thing presented to as >it's holy an infallible because, because it just IS okay!?!? Is pure bullshit.

The average Christian doesn't know that Yahweh has a history as rich and real as the fucking marvel cinematic universe and actually God had a wife and Baal is "a demon" only because he and Yahweh were both storm gods and I guess the ancient proto gods got into a Batman vs Superman fight about which one was cool enough to get upgraded in the lore as all powerful. Many things you see in the old testament is retconned stories all now rebranded as Yahweh's Adventures. So what does that make Jesus? IMO not even really of the same god the Jews worship. Shit is all fake and fucked, not worth wasting time and energy on besides to learn it just to geek out over ancient legends shit.

cool story bro

It's homophobic because you're a bad christian in a dozen ways, but the thing you choose to focus on and share with others is the part that's anti-gay.

And it's a fairy tale.

OP here, I'm a Muslim Arab
NOT a Christian

i dont hate gays

god says it's wrong

spare me the God no real crap

Youre asking us to judge your character?
I think that taking part in a doctrine that wants gays exterminated, openly stating that you believe in that doctrine, and meanwhile trying to be friends with gay people comes off as duplicitous and un-critical. That you practice a belief with little analysis or introspection and would be willing to betray them for the sake of your faith.
Are you really ok with your friends and colleagues suffering for eternity? Why is it that god hates his creations?

i will not tell you that god doesnt exist. There are a million interpretations of the bible/quran/torah, with edits and additions made by charlatans and schemers to push their own agendas, homosexuality could easily be one of them. Are you willing to analyze and change your beliefs, even if it means straying the slightest bit from what your parents told you to think?
Are you willing to even think that your parents/local religious leaders were mislead or misinterpreted God's will?
if you are, then you can change. You're a 7/10 now, but you can become a 1/10 without compromising your faith

God is real, he hates me for what I am, and he made me.

You're a little retarded for trying to ask people to judge one of your traits without arguing against something fundamentally tied to that trait, but whatever, I'll answer anyways.

2/10. I probably wouldn't go out of my way to interact with you or be friends if we were coworkers or classmates or something, but I wouldn't avoid you like the plague or get uncomfortable around you. If everyone was on your level or less, then I'd feel a lot safer.

PS please don't let this board influence your opinion on gay people. Anon Babble is an anomaly to nearly every community it intersects with, ESPECIALLY this one. Most gay people irl are nothing like the people here

The quran is way more vague about condemning homosexuality than the bible, so a lot more of that is coming from you if you choose to read it that way.

literally

this still applies

nah, i aint planing on changing my stance / belief any time soon, i wasnt asking none of you to convince me im wrong or debate me or anything , i was just asking how much do you hate me basically
that's it
i made this same post on reddit , i got alot of 10/10's , a 5/10 and this dude on this thread said 2
this is what i predicted and this is variance is what made me interested and curious enough to make this post
mysterious ways, no doubt
well the Story of the People's of Lut is pretty Darn clear so...
besides quran isnt the only Source of islamic Law, you also have hadiths, most of islamic laws and rulings are derived from hadiths rather than the quran, the quran is more about tackling bigger questions like God , Divinity , monotheism , the story of creation , the devil. basically the universe's origin story
the hadiths tackle more diverse subjects
there's a hadith that literally says gays cant go to heaven in like 7 words, so idk man , that is like the opposite of vague ,man

if it's between a gay guy and god then there's no reason to even mention it

that shit is called speculation.
there are no historical texts from that far back that prove this, historians just see SOME similarities and they be like ... oh yeah totally god no real bro

aint gonna catch choosing a religion based on what some snot nosed retard badmouthing religion because his catholic mom was mean to him when he was a kid, aint no way bruv

i got alot of 10/10's , a 5/10 and this dude on this thread said 2

you didnt really give a baseline average so of course everyones just gonna make one up arbitrarily

scale of 0 to 10

idk i just assumed people would assume a 10 is the 1939 nazi officer who would hang you or the 2015 ISIS member who would behead you ,and 0 is the none homophobic person

this is what i had in mind to be honest

As a Christian, gays aren't to be hated or exterminated. It's just a fetish that they shouldn't indulge and shouldn't be encouraged. That's literally it. It's just another sin. Having the sin doesn't damn you if you're saved, what matters is accepting salvation through Christ and wanting to not indulge in that sin because of Him. You'll still slip up and give in to some temptations here and there in life, everyone is a sinner. It's not that you're saved from the actions you do, it's that you want to do actions because you're saved. Everyone is bad, everyone has hate on some level. Therefore there will be Christians who have this hate. This is a sad scenario but it will be there cause nobody is perfect. The most common scenario however is that anyone can call themselves Christian. Only God knows if they truly accepted Jesus and are therefore saved so you can't tell who's really Christian but you can get hints from how they behave. Catholics do not classify as Christian cause they deny salvation through most of Catholics practices such as Idolatry and thinking you're saved through acts. God didn't make you gay. You aren't doomed for being gay. It's a fetish you have that you are meant to try and resist and if you're a Christian who is saved but has this fetish it will most likely be a lifelong struggle to resist it but if you are saved then you're saved. This is not an excuse to give in to such sins cause if you would abuse salvation like that you probably aren't a true Christian who loves Jesus and knows Him but it's that if you are a real Christian you will want to be free of sin. That's it. That's how this shit works. Hate is a sin. Homosexuality is a sin. Neither are good, neither should happen, but people will slip into temptation of both and if you're saved you will try to resist but failure won't damn you. Christ is King. Love from a saved Christian. Sorry for the sin you struggle with, you're not alone, we are all being tested in different ways.

gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex

newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex/

there are many evidence that homosexuality is a natural attraction determined during the INTRA-UTERINE brain development, following genetic, epigenetic and enviroinmental factors.
There are a number of morphological traits that positively correlate with it (digit ratio (i.e. longer index finger = less testosterone,) thinness of the jaw, and some others.) This is so strong, in fact, that a computer can accurately identify a homosexual from facial topology alone 80% of the time. If homosexuality were merely a psychological cope or a byproduct of psychological trauma, we wouldn't expect such strong correlates with morphology.
nymag.com/news/features/33520/
bbc.com/news/technology-41188560

you are worshipping a tribal war god

Such things can be either generational sin or simply some predisposed conditions can make you more inclined to specific sins, either way it does not take away from the main point. Salvation is what matters. You're simply supposed to accept salvation as according to scripture (1 Corinthians 15: 1-4) and then because you're grateful and loves Jesus and want to follow Him that makes you want to steer away from such sins.

I'm aware of satanic deceptions that are outside of the Bible. Such things are noise to me. A good lie is mixed with truth. I don't care for supposed info outside of God's Word entirely because I know Jesus and that He's real. It's a relationship (I know this is oversaid and annoying to hear I used to hate Christians) and for that reason I can never deviate from my faith cause I know Him. It's different and personal for everyone. When you know you know, I pray you are saved in some unique way when the time is right

QRD on the semitic mythos
Judaism is the merging of a primitive pagan midianite volcano god (yahweh) and the high god of the pagan canaanite pantheon (el). Pre Babylonian exile jews were polytheistic yahwehist savages who sacrificed first born babies TO yahweh and asherah among others.
During and post exile jews then blatantly plagiarised and retconned the code of Hammurabi, Babylonian creation myths and Persian Zoroastrian concepts. Post exile they plagiarised middle Platonism during the Greek Seleucid hegemony. Everything they stole was then retconned and bastardised through the lens of collective jewish malignant narcissism.before being scrambled together in the Greek septuagint in Alexandria circa 300BCE. Therein jews projected their own sordid savage religious practices onto foreign gods, foreign peoples, "pagans" and "apostates" in quintessential jewish fashion. Jews steal everything, corrupt it and then claim provenance while projecting their own savagery onto others.. They are a nation of thieves and liars and those vices extend to their own retarded retconned creed, history and mythos.

>spare me the God no real crap

bro you clearly have lead poisoning or something if you're a "naturally religious guy"... Fuck yeah you're homophobic if you let some book dictate your beliefs in thinking its "wrong".
why not use your own logic to determine your beliefs bc as you said you "dont got a problem with that", also while you're at it go back to school, you communicate at what seems like a 6th grade level.

it's funny how people lose like 50 IQ points when they become antisemites

Deities would be outside of time's restraints so I really don't give a shit in what order things happen, copies of Christianity can be made by such a being (satan) before the story of Christianity even fully played out cause they're beyond time. I didn't become Christian cause I read the Bible and went "oh boy this makes a ton of sense" I became Christian cause Jesus saved me personally in my own way and I know Him and therefore believe the Word of God because of that. I didn't find Jesus, Jesus found me. He's the shepherd and I was the lost sheep.

The Bible plagiarised many of its stories, such as the book of Genesis, the foundational work of the Old Testament. Many scholars admit that the book of Genesis is largely plagiarised from theEpic of Gilgamesh. The Epic of Gilgamesh is an epic poem from Mesopotamia (a historical region of West Asia) and is one of the earliest known works of literature, dating back to the 18thcentury BCE, so long before the Bible was dreamed up! The first parallel is between the story of Enkidu/Shamhat and Adam/Eve. In bothstories, a man is created from the soil by a god and lives among the animals. He is introduced to a woman who tempts him (yes, women often get the blame ), he accepts her offering of food, decides to cover his nakedness, leaves paradise, and is not allowed to return. Later on in this epic, a snake steals a plant from Gilgamesh which has the power to give him immortality. The snake represents evil in the epic of Gilgamesh and represents Satan in the Bible. The parallels are so identical that it would be an impossible coincidence if the authors of the Bible had invented the story themselves. There are many more plagiarised myths in the Bible! don’t take this book beyond (sometimes poor, sometimes excellent) literature! It’s a MANmade book at the end of the day

see the post directly above yours

why not use your own logic to determine your beliefs

cus god is like ... smarter than me and stuff, I just be following what he says , because he's like God and stuff

you communicate at what seems like a 6th grade level.

a) i write like that because i think its funny, i also enjoy speaking in ebonics,
b) i am arab, not a native speaker
c) i used to write decent stuff whenever i was in the mood like picrel

Syncretism. The story of Genesis as constructed by the Abrahamic Jews was an amalgamation of concepts and stories from other religions of the time with some original concepts thrown in. This is just the natural way that new religions are formed. Your point still stands though - once you understand how these religious stories are constructed, and how they change and are distorted throughout the ages, it becomes impossible to take them seriously.

ahlan khaoo, jayin 3ma yashtighuluh feek? antih mish satalaee jawab sah ow bil sarahh. 3m yab3ss feek inshan yal3bu m3k.
be rayee, khalee hathol tafkeer li halak, ana fihman 3laak. ith intaa m3mm t3zab hada, mafiyoh she ya akhee
salam min al sham, -z3faran

if your opinion is in any way 'being gay is wrong' regardless of the reason you are a homophobe, no numbers needed

موقفي و أفكاري بتعصبهم أكثر من ما توحدهم يعصبني أنا
بصراحة أنا جاد بنسبة 99% و مش بترول
بس لو هذين الخولات الراديكاليين بينبعصو من رأي شاركته بطريقة محترمة كيف هاي و بيحاولو يعصبوني

فيمكن لازم اكره الخولات و المثليين و الليبراليين اكثر الحقيقة

everything is relative
do you really think a dude who doesnt mind Saying The Nword while singing along a Rap song is as racist as a KKK member?
or that a guy who cracks a ''jews are stingy'' joke in a bar is just as antisemtic as an SS officer?
that's stuipd

im not saying my stance is as timid as those two things, just making a point , Everything is Relative.
i mean if you might think im a radical and backwards muslim, from the stand point of a boomer bedouin neighbor , im on Anon Babble talking to gays, im practically gay aswell.

موقفي و أفكاري بتعصبهم أكثر من ما توحدهم يعصبني أنا

بصراحة أنا جاد بنسبة 99% و مش بترول

بس لو هذين الخولات الراديكاليين بينبعصو من رأي شاركته بطريقة محترمة كيف هاي و بيحاولو يعصبوني

فيمكن لازم اكره الخولات و المثليين و الليبراليين اكثر الحقيقة

whhh la t3sab akhee, han hameer wa ma yafhimu tareeq hayatina wala mushtam3na, han yashahedonal al americia khbr
fajat 3la sabrak, wa aqul hay be mashallah, arajak takhalee albak indeef, wala tu sawudih bil qarah min 3lam ma 3ndon hayat!
kal nabiyinah "kn lṭīfan, fklmā aṣbḥ l-lṭf jz'an mn shī', finh ījʿlh jmīlan."- Imam Al Bukhari
allahuma sabirna jamee3n, antih wahid hanoon

I also might just have a less strict interpretation of how it works, many Christians are more like you described and have a more strict interpretation.