Do trans people believe in the objective existence of defined gender roles?
Do trans people believe in the objective existence of defined gender roles?
objective existence of defined gender roles
Explain both objective and subjective existence of defined gender roles
picrel is gigabased, self aware trannies are the only ones that aren’t insufferable and delusional
well that there are certain fixed parameters under which people can only live as men or women socially
Gender is inherently not real, it’s defined by our culture. Sex on the other hand is based on tangible characteristics. A man who wears makeup and plays with dolls is still a man no matter how much he calls himself a woman, no matter how many surgeries he gets, no matter how many pills he takes. Modern gender ideology has walked back women’s liberation by decades.
I don't really understand the core of your question. I guess you're asking whether trans people have to live according to traditional gender roles, like women must be gentle, and men must be responsible.
But plenty of men lack responsibility and are timid, and they're still considered men.
No matter how strong a woman is, when she cries, it's just crying. But when a strong man cries, it's called 'manly tears.'
modern first world society would have very few problems nowadays if foids stopped being hysterical
there is a reason i don't date them they are practically incapable of being human. could literally only serve a man but foids can't even do that because they would rather denigrate him at every turn about everything over exclusively pointless bs
moids are only inhibited by t being an evil substance but even that they are better at everything
i literally everyone does, to some extent. if you live in a society where almost half of people fit into one group and almost another half fit into another, you're going to start rolling a snowball of social traits.
womanhood / manhood these days, socially, are just "the totality of common traits and experiences of woman / men", which is so vague its close to being nothing. but the kernels of expected female / male conduct still exist and are still related to by each and every person no matter their side of the isle.
every person, in relating to this social gender is a total island; in the same way someone can be a solipsist on the topic of other people, someone can spend their whole life contemplating, in a circular fashion, if they're "really" a man or a woman in a way besides whatever gaggle of body parts they end up with.
that's why people transition, to cast their net into the pool of "womens' experience" / "mens' experience", grafting themselves to that detached social image by doing that.
this spiel is kind of retarded, i hope i got a point across
I don't believe in gender roles. I don't believe there are certain things men or women have to do or ways they have to behave to validly belong to their sex.
i don't think they *have* to do anything like this, i just think it's an almost inevitable consequence of any kind of society existing. what the "required things" that men and women do is pretty much arbitrary and leads to harm/alienation.
if by objective you mean "would be the case even if human society didn't exist" and you're op i think we agree
it's easily avoidable
I'm pretty sure they do. One needs to at least believe they are gender to be it. One's gender role is defined by their actually being convinced of it. If you don't actually believe you're a woman, you're not.
Sorry, this (you) was meant for OP
If by objective existence you mean they 'objectively are a thing' yes. If you mean 'defined gender roles as we currently understand them are a natural law' type of shit then no
Correction
foids sperging about defining themselves by their wombs walked back womens rights
I think you're right that social gender roles are pretty much dead and have been for a while. imo your dating market is the strongest enforcement mechanism of your socio-sexual identity.
you mean they 'objectively are a thing' yes
what does that involve?
What is the male gender role?
No, I believe it is purely subjective since there is no objective essence for gender that we can define. It is all subjective behavior and cannot exist without gendered subjects.
open the door, pay the bill, pull the chair, commit 99% of violent crimes including but limited to rape.
commit
you are assuming all violence committed is accurately reflected in the numbers you trust
your blind faith in our authoritarian structures says more than numbers ever could
Anybody who does not accept innate gender roles (to some extent) is a science denier and should never be listened to again imo
Like this entire thread is retarded there are mountains of studies looking at differences in behaviour and brain structure between females and males as far back as being babies.
well its undeniable that currently there are set gender roles that differ from places so thats objectively true
How can we accept something you can barely define?
man is when aggressive and commit crimes
woman is when submissive and attractive
Well have you looked at statistics for which sex commits the most violent crime and which sex tends has a measured preference for submission? Are you retarded?
Tends to have* anyhow
your blind trust in statistics is kinda more scary than the numbers themselves
it's almost like you just want to demonize males and feel self righteous in doing so
the goal being to ensure it is always the male group being scrutinized at any given moment, never the actions of the female group - they are untouchable - gods
your blind trust in statistics
Leftists have ruined themselves with social theory oh my god. No wonder we’re legally men now
hard to say the extend give how we've revolutionized millennias of gender roles completely in barely a century
socially men too
its just funny that men think shitting on other men makes them women
We have not done what you think. The only change is that women work, which they have always done only it was different work than men’s. Statistically that’s still the case today even
I support the violence of males so stop shadow boxing mate
The only change is that women work
okay youre just not a serious person lol
Ignores statistics
Makes up a false statement
ah-ha! You disagree with my lie which means I can dismiss you out of hand
Besides, the construction of specified social roles does not invalidate the reality of innate gendered differences
Calm down. Subjective doesn't mean unscientific and if that's news you should get a crash course on Kantian philosophy
Im not the person who ignored statistic. I dismiss you because saying the only change we had is women getting paid to work is utterly profoundly idiotic and I dont waste time with retard of that caliber, enjoy being retarded im out kek
Kantian philosophy
Some retard thinking from first principles and getting a lot wrong does not invalidate scientific studies which prove innate gendered roles and different brain structures. Why are trannies all like this? All of them
Anybody who does not accept innate gender roles
There’s no such thing as ‘accepting’ or ‘rejecting’ gender roles. What exists are stereotypical men/women and non-stereotypical ones, like tomboys or feminine men.
Most people find babies cute, but some don’t. 'Tendencies' are real. But it’s never about accepting or rejecting mainstream tendencies, you just have your own set of tendencies. Whether you should hide them is another topic.
List changes to women’s status that have not existed in the past. Work, divorce, living on their own, etc, are all things women have had in the past that they have again now. Why does that prove innate difference?
You being against the tendency of your sex makes you sex atypical and an exception which proves the rule. That said you are likely not exceptional and very male despite your transsexuality
its weird how trans women are more male than most males
Two types of tranny phenotypes: High T and low T
being against the tendency of your sex
You're suggesting that most people from the same group think the same way, and that anyone who thinks differently must be forcing themselves.
But even the most popular songs with millions of plays still have people who don’t like them. You wouldn’t say those people are just pretending, would you?
In the same way, an Asian person who doesn’t fit the stereotype is still Asian. You wouldn’t say they’re rejecting their identity, right?
You're suggesting that most people from the same group think the same way, and that anyone who thinks differently must be forcing themselves.
This is not what I said though.
you cant change gender but you can change sex
you can't change either