What is the unspoken secret/advice to passing?

I feel like I'm in an unusually lucky position compared to many others I know, started HRT (Progynova & Cypro) a month before I turned 19. I was just a typical femboy twink before then but the AGP kinda fucked me up. Still don't call myself a tgirl though but that's not so much because I don't want to, it's because I can't. I live in an extremely fucking left-leaning and liberal country so I have no issues going out presenting as fem. But my issue is that I still don't fucking pass. I keep on seeing these threads like "omg guys I trooned out at 27 it's so over for me" and they look like fucking dolls. Meanwhile I'm here looking like a gay twink with tits. So my question that I want to ask you is, what is your routine? How do you present/look fem? What are your tips/techniques? I'm super interested to learn as I am fucking tired of looking male, I do skincare every night, I practice makeup and I'm getting better but I feel like there is an unspoken secret you all know and follow to get you all to look so good. So wtf is it?

I don't think there is tbda

Then how does everyone else look so fucking good? I'm convinced there is one thing they are all doing which is just unspoken knowledge, even if there isn't, I still wanna know what their routine is like for face care and such

unspoken secret to pass

be white and/or have money

I have both of those things yet I still look fucking horrendous

Is there just no way forward for twinkhons to transition? Am I just cooked? I guess I'm just looking for good resources on where to start feminizing my face without FFS

Essentially luck, in the form of genetics, weak puberty and access to a well-funded support network.

luck mostly

I'm sorry but I don't believe this, can't be just 'luck', impossible. People have to put in the fucking effort to look the way they do, I just want to know exactly WHAT it is they do

can't be just 'luck', impossible. People have to put in the fucking effort to look the way they do

Yeah, and hard work makes you right, am I right?

this is just cope, life is unfair, some people are just more attractive. If you already take care of yourself and present yourself nicely, you are doing the most you can

I'm not going to settle for less, the whole point of the looksmaxxing movement amongst guys today is that, yes, some people are just born more attractive than others but if you put in the effort, you can work your way up. Everyone can do it but for some people it's just easier, I'm willing to put in the effort and I won't settle for less.

So again I'm asking, what does a usual face femininity routine look like? Skincare wise, makeup wise, stuff like that

doesn't matter how much you work, if you are 5'3 you are never going to be as good as lebron.

Hard work matters, yes, and you may be able to look better than people who don't put in the work and are naturally better looking. But the reality is
Hard work + talent > Hard work + no talent

Is the guy from the image You?

I started like 3 days ago and I can already take good pictures if my face is hidden (stubble with conventional male hairstyle fuck it up if I don't), I think its luck.

No it's a selfie of my asscrack
Yes it's me
Picrel is from yesterday

if it helps I think the trick is to be skinny and not have any visible hair

Fair, you may be right
Well I got that part down great yet I still just don't have a clue what I'm doing skincare or makeup wise

are your friends getting botox/filler/surgery on the DL?

Try lighting it a certain way, I have a rather bright white LED light by my desk which hides all the little blemishes. Maybe some guys can do it legit but ultimately reality is all perception so fuck it amirite?

literally what have you done to try to pass

emo hair

unkempt eyebrows

dress like an emo boy

terrible makeup

maybe if you stopped doing all of that you'd have a better shot at not looking like a man who never left his emo phase

me personally I'm just skinny twink and have long hair and I pass

Well maybe that's not it exactly, but I think the trick in general is to understand it is an illusion and treat it as such.

Ok so there's no secret, it's a combination of things you gotta work, you are currently going for a style that probably isnt the best for passing, get a better hair cur and if you are still using last pic glasses I would recommend you try to get a rounder frame so it helps with how people read your face, also a lot of it comes from voice and manerisms so i'm not telling you to change your personally but find some cis female artists or role modelos you want to be like and copy some things or get female friends.

Also you are the same anon who made the poners are pussies thread so as st4t defender I gotta tell you they aren't and I love them. They are more men than cismales because they made themselves trougth effort and work and you should just stop dating babytrannies

You are literally trying to fight your own genome

do you fucking understand what you're up against? A perfectly smooth, 10AU tall wall. And all of your limbs were replaced with fire hoses.

small philtrums

This + GET A BETTER HAIRCUT EMOFAG

Loosing weight i think.

2y on hrt, i've only seen changes in the 6 months since I decided to lose weight.

Nope, all of them don't have FFS or botox or anything, they just naturally look good. They show me pics of what they looked like pre-transition and they are the most fucking malebrained gigachads ever, couldn't even imagine them as women and I'm just jealous asf because they won't tell me how they do it

emo hair

I've been growing it out for a year, don't want it to stay that way forever but it matches my aesthetic

unkempt eyebrows

Actually yeah, that is a good point, been meaning to get them shaped for forever

dress like an emo boy

First pic not really, second pic yeah, not really boy though as that is a dress but I am young enough where I can be an emo without it being cringe

terrible makeup

I am really trying to improve but I can just never get it right, do you think the tip is just to practice more or watch more tutorials?

That plus, I haven't left my emo phase, it is a part of how I present myself and I don't consider it as cringe, it's just an aesthetic choice

Yeah but I'm not really willing to let go of my emo aesthetic, I just wanna find a way to make it work while still passing I guess, but yeah, people keep on telling me to get a fucking haircut but idk
Also I'm not that same anon, idk who you're talking about sorry

1,5y hrt and 2hy hrt. Better with starving. ( Good level E and T).

Dad bod genetics I think.

Sadly I have got a pretty noticeable philtrum

I just do not understand what you mean by this

Nah, my emofag haircut is great. Just waiting till it grows out to shoulder length to get it cut into something cuter

That's fucking incredible, I'm already anorexic and I have been for the past 3 years or so but eh, glad losing weight (healthily I assume) worked for you

Thank's your kind.

I don't think being anorexic helps; it's like having a dad bod.

When I starved myself to 800 calories a day, my hormones seemed to be off, and I felt like I was becoming more masculine. Try to eat as healthy as possible; that's what I'm trying to do.

I know it's easy to say, but take care of yourself.

ok so first of all i wanna say that passing isn’t the most important thing there’s nothing wrong with being a little clocky if that’s what u r.
but if u wanna like pass to the point of being able to stealth, i’d say voice. a well trained voice will make the diff even if ur clocky

hey that looks like a tranny kinda

oh nvm she sounds like a regular woman

Yeah I honestly just haven't even looked at doing VT at all. So much fucking conflicting advice, too many guides and I just get overwhelmed. I really just don't know where to start with that. I sound like a gay British kid with a lisp so I don't think I can be saved

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you should post you trying to feminize your voice

sorry I saw your other t4t thread and got confused. Yeah if you are letting it grow there's nothing else to do.
Keep the emo aesthetic but get better at makeup and eyebrows, yes the trick is just practice and tutorials

On the anorexic front is not just losing weigth you need to also gain weigth so the fat redestributes, so it will be probably be hard but ygmi. Take care of yourself and godspeed

forgot to remove name award

Like I can barely raise my larynx but then I just sound gay and fembrained, resonance is impossible for me

voca.ro/1hSxQltN9LbF

Ayy thanks

Yeah, people are saying losing weight is the key but I feel like I need to gain more weight for my fat to redistribute as I remember my endocronologist telling me that it won't redistribute the fat already in your body, only new fat coming in

If you want honest advice, it looks like you never even touched your eyebrows
Makeup is horrible and any eyeshadow that goes around the whole eye is gonna 10x your browbone
Your hair is extremely unimagineative, looks like an emo dude in his 50s who has no aspiration to actually go to a hairstyler.

Also, how long on hrt and what dosage? What levels do you have? Do you weightcycle? Informing yourself on these is like bare minimum

I really don't hear any difference at all, sounds like it's probably more of a mental thing

Bro you dont get to decide if you look cringe or not, you look cringe, straight up
The emo style youre doing rn is not working

I concur

Yeah I haven't touched my eyebrows at all, definitely need to get them shaped
And my hair is unimaginative because I am waiting for it to grow to shoulder length before I get it styled into something decent which actually passes

And been on HRT for just over 3 months now, on 2mg Progynova and 12.5mg Cypro, don't know my levels as I haven't tested them yet, idk what weightcycling is

oh shit sorry this is a thread about passing, not just being a femboy for internet people. That came out as genuinely mean in this context I am sorry.

weight cycling is losing all the fat that was deposited on your frame pre hrt then once you've been on hrt for a while you gain weight.

Ohhh interesting, do you have any resources about this? Interested to see how people do it

3months

Are you taking that 2mg sublingual or oral? The latter will do basically nothing depending on the person

If you want a genuine roadmap:

See where you are a year in

Laser your beardshadow meanwhile

Loose weight if you're high bmi to start gaining in the 2nd year when u figured out ur levels

Get bangs for now, your high forehead imo doesnt really work out for anything else than that + messy wolfcut or smth

Eyebrows, eyebrows, eyebrows

After that, these are the surgeries that u will need imo

Bullhorn liplift for pseudo midface reduction / removing huge philtrum distance

Browbone shave

Rhino

Jaw/chin looks kinda ok ie depends on how the fat move

Oral, can't really be taken sublingually. The results on me breast and sex wise have been fucking incredible though

And thanks yeah, I'll definitely keep note of what you've said. I'm not high BMI right now, since I've started I am directly in the middle of where I should be but before this I was horrendously low on BMI, so I am gaining a bit. DEFINITELY getting my eyebrows done, no question about that. And yeah, I'll look into those surgeries when the time comes

How do you mean cant be taken subl? If its progynova, just put it under you tongue, maybe break it in half before. Then just wait and dont swallow

can't really be taken sublingually.

why?

Tried it before, it just never fucking breaks down and idk why. Left it under my tongue for 2 hours and it was still exactly the same as when I put it in. Also what are the benefits of taking it subl (if it does work) anyways?