I do. At least a subset of female. I have had more female puberty than male, and my development and secondary sex characteristics are, how you say? "Foided?"
It's very strange, I notice quite often that I'm kind of somewhere in-between. Like, limb stuff is what I mean; my hands, my feet, they look different from those of both my male and female peers. I think this makes me, maybe a pseudofemale?
Do You Guys Consider Yourself Female?
As much as I want to be female, I think calling myself a woman/female is an insult to women. But I also feel like Im not a man & I'm not seen as a man either. Ppl probably just think I'm a weird twink or a eunuch or something.
I feel quite tenderly about the eunuch label, I was essentially an eromenos for years. We've always been a priest caste due to our high rates of mental illness and willingness to escape through the use of psychotropics
trvke
Nope. I'm a woman. But I can't be female/AFAB.
idk im just me, I dont even like gendering myself female, even tho I pass and everyone around me treats me like they would any female. imposter syndrome is too high and I never feel comfortable around women because the fear of making them uncomfortable with my presence is also, too high
I think of it as the opposite, well kind of.?
Women have definition as prescribed by society def agree, so if you're perceived as a woman you're essentially a woman. But the whole point of being a transsexual is changing your sex, I don't think you have to be AFAB(kek) to be female.
if you pass why would they feel uncomfortable in your presence. Why all trannies these days think they pass flawlessly
because I never even had a hunch of making someone ever uncomfortable. imposter syndrome luv
i don't think that's what imposter syndrome means.
I don't think you have to be AFAB(kek) to be female.
Afab and female is actually the same thing. So yeah you have to be afab to be female because that's what it literally is.
At least a subset of female.
It makes more sense to categorize all variants for a person who starts from a male base as subset of male.
male + innate femininity = feminine male
male + gay sexuality = feminine gay male
male + HRT = estrogenized male
male + HRT + SRS = estrogenized eunuch
If trans women are considered a subset of women, then after they die, looking at their skeleton or DNA would make no sense.
I disagree. a lot of you retards don't understand difference of opinion. There's constant debate on the definition of female, that's why it's defined differently every other time you see it. It's a human scientific construct, this stuff changes constantly.
The bonepill here is wrong, especially for youngshits. There's a famous case in florida where they sexed a skeleton female and ran with it for like 40 years before new evidence came out.
I would also ask, why does that make more sense, personally i think it makes sense to class all people with chest hair as male personally
There's a famous case in florida where they sexed a skeleton female and ran with it for like 40 years before new evidence came out.
Don’t they say you can tell someone’s sex from their skeleton? Is that not true? Even though I’ve never seen a real skeleton, just by looking at certain body proportions, you can often tell someone’s sex.
Also, what about the DNA part I mentioned earlier? And everything else that couldn't escape examination.
i think it makes sense to class all people with chest hair as male personally
If we just look at the result, what you said isn’t wrong. After all, very few women have chest hair, and even if they do, it’s never as much as men. But logically, it’s too arbitrary to decide whether something belongs to a certain subset based solely on a 'non-essential' or 'non-core' trait.
except there are intersex people who are literally AFAB and not female
so no, it's not the same thing. "AFAB" is just "what did the doctor write down"
Don’t they say you can tell someone’s sex from their skeleton? Is that not true?
I've actually taken classes on sexing skeletons (sounds gross, yes) and there's some variation, but it's fairly reliable.
the main thing is that HRT induces distinctly female skeletal characteristics on males, pelvic pitting from a pseudopregnant hormonal profile, usually a more pronounced spinal arch than other males.
Even though I’ve never seen a real skeleton, just by looking at certain body proportions, you can often tell someone’s sex.
This is what i was kind of talking about in my original post, my proportions etc are weirdly somewhere in between. Due to my secondary sex characteristics and development being female I settled on pseudofemale.
Maybe this is a subclass of men i guess. matter of opinion imo
Also, what about the DNA part I mentioned earlier? And everything else that couldn't escape examination.
I don't really wanna get into the genes thing, dead horse, but. There's really more overlap on most metrics than you might think. Genes are definitely a good trap card. I might say: Boobs.
>i think it makes sense to class all people with chest hair as male personally
I was just using this as a joke example to show that I think your traits could also be classed as "non-core."
The metric is arbitrary
Hormone replacement changes gene expression, making cells/tissue act more like if they had XX or XY dependent on hormone being added
the-scientist.com
news-medical.net
Homologous structures
en.wikipedia.org
meddean.luc.edu
maudmedical.com
Viable eggs from male people, viable sperm from female people
npr.org
theconversation.com
Most cis women have Y chromosomes in some cells:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Trans men grow prostate tissue
onlinelibrary.wiley.com
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
link.springer.com
Trans women grow breasts identical to cis women's
genderanalysis.net
skeleton
Sorry two replies but I'm just remembering:
In that case, she was sexed as female from her skeleton, then years later they got genetic evidence and classed her as male.
Idek if there's a cut and dry answer to the question at hand desu, I just think it's like, so weird and interesting.
And it's weird i'm one of those
OP again but my hottest take here is that there is no system in which trans men can be men AND trans women can be women
I've actually taken classes on sexing skeletons (sounds gross, yes) and there's some variation, but it's fairly reliable.
Then why was this trans woman assumed to be pregnant for decades?: en.wikipedia.org
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literally mention that in the comment the guy was replying to reeeeeetard. I'm talking about cis skeletons being reliable, I specifically talk about hormones changing skeletal structure
that was for you, retard
im not feminine looking, and i dont talk about this or claim to the female identity in public. but i feel completely as a woman... which i synonym with female personally... unpopular i know. ive felt internally as a woman ever since... well, about 5 years ago, when i turned 25, before that i felt more like a confused pseudo girl-boy-cuck-weird thing. but i identify so much with womanhood and femininity, even if it's not the surface depth, it's the emotional struggle, the way i experience emotions and pain is something ive never been able to see in men and i tried and tried to find a male role model, but never could. yet it's so easy to identify with cis women. idk im a freak i guess
hm.. female soul i think. you should try praying
You understand that concept of female existence and womanhood from the perspective of a male. It means absolutely nothing. It's like someone from America telling a native of France what it's like to be French.
"Female" just means you're biologically born as one. Neither you or I are biologically born females.
So.. they're female?
what does it mean to be biologically born as female
Nta, it means to be AFAB
is someone born with xy chromosomes and a vagina female?
what if le doktor sexes micropenis de la chapelle syndrome baby as female? what then, liberal?
You think this is a female?
He's female. Not a woman, but a female.
There is a reason we say male woman and female man.
I just have the opposite perception. I think sex can very clearly be changed medically, gender is determined by an innate perceptive instinct in the people around you
Sex is biological trait determined at birth, it can't be altered. Gender is just a social construct and identity.
disagree but that's ok
Sex cannot be fully crossed over at this time. It can be changed into a kind of artificial intersex state.
Yes! I think I'm Intersex! Pseudointersex! Thank you!!!!
CAIS? Yes, they're female.
De la chapelle syndrome are males.
Finally someone gets it.
right but, you said AFAB. that's perception based. babies are missexed occasionally
My great uncle was born and they believed he was female because his genitals were recessed, thus he was AFAB, but he was male
Going by your fetishes, most of you just see yourselves as failed males. Eternally gay bottoms. It's never been about you trying to become more of a woman, it's more about you trying to shape women into your own fetishes.
HRT can alter physical appearance and hormones, but it doesn’t make someone intersex in any real or medical sense.
I would say dick with tits is intersex
If thing X starts to imitate thing Y, should this X-to-Y thing be considered a subset of Y or a subset of X?
It depends on whether X-to-Y is closer to X or to Y. In other words, it depends on how much X-to-Y imitates Y.
Let's say X and Y have 10 differences.
- If X-to-Y keeps 9 of those differences, then X-to-Y is closer to X, so it should be considered a subset of X.
- If X-to-Y only keeps 1 difference, then it’s closer to Y, so it should be considered a subset of Y.
For example, take trans women:
A trans woman who looks just like a cis woman, who had SRS early, has lived as a woman since childhood, and thinks in very traditionally female ways. To meet all these strict conditions at the same time is extremely rare.
But because she doesn’t have periods, can’t get pregnant, doesn’t have female-only diseases and struggles, and needs medication for life to maintain a female body shape, and since her body was originally male and artificially changed, I would still classify her as a subset of males. This is because she’s an artificial case and other aspects still differ from those of cis women.
Trans women need to imitate women, but women don’t need to imitate women or be ‘feminine’, this is a fundamental difference that technology can’t change. If I had to choose, I would put trans women in the subset of men.
I feel like it’s more accurate to explain to an outsider that a trans woman is someone who starts out as a man and then transforms, rather than saying she’s a woman who used to be a man.
In the latter explanation, the outsider might imagine a magical transformation that completely reforms a person, which is untrue.
A criminal that wears a cop suit
is still not a cop.
doesn’t have female-only diseases and struggles, and needs medication for life to maintain a female body shape
that's not true though
It is, especially female only diseases
but women don’t need to imitate women or be ‘feminine’
lol you really think women aren't expected to put in effort to look and behave feminine, aren't taught from birth to act, talk, and present in specific ways?
women just pop out of the womb being able to braid their hair and do makeup or something?
it's also really common for women to not have periods and not be able to get pregnant. Lots of women don't have conventionally feminine body shapes. I think you just don't know a lot of women
it's not true at all, someone without testes like in your example will not masculinize even without estrogen
female only diseases
such as?
it's also really common for women to not have periods and not be able to get pregnant
It's not "really" common.
it is actually really common for women to go into menopause
in fact basically every woman does
Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS)Uterine Fibroids (Leiomyomas)
Vulvodynia
a female born without a uterus also cannot get uterine fibroids, still a female. bad metric. the reality is there will always be exceptions, it's biology. That's the fundemental rule
it is actually really common for women to go into menopause
in fact basically every woman does
I thought not all women have uterus?
>it is actually really common for women to go into menopause
this fag wasn't me retard,
PCOS is female only because it's specifically a disorder of the ovaries. Of course, any woman without ovaries wouldn't have it
uterine fibroids are just smooth muscle tumors. Anyone can get smooth muscle tumors, you're just saying women have uteruses.
and vulvodynia literally just means vulva pain. These are only "female only diseases" insofar as they impact parts of the female reproductive system. But tumors and pain are not female only diseases, and I think most women would disagree that having ovaries is the definition of a woman
I would say dick with tits is intersex
not intersex, transgender
menopause is the entire phenomenon of the end of fertility
of course a woman without reproductive organs can't technically go into menopause, but they still have the symptoms
there's intersex that are just dick with tits though, that's a thing right?
Males will always be stronger than females.
I'm weaker than both of my closest cis female friends
Yeah, but thing in males, not females
intersex are not males, they're intersex
intersex are still male or female.
Definitionally not the case
You have to be male or female
why?
This is biologically not true